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Firos
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Posted - 2007.01.11 12:57:00 -
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I've just bought an amarr destroyer (Coercer), and I'm wondering what the next level up is. I want a type of ship that will be able to handle medium laser turrets and will have decent defensive and offensive capabilities.
Thanks for the help in advance.
-Firos.
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Bronson Hughes
Caldari
Knights of the Wild
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:03:00 -
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Most likely a Cruiser of some sort.
And really, a Destroyer isn't required to use before a Cruiser. Many people jump straight from Frigates to Cruisers and never use them.
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ArtemisEntreri
Turbulent
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:05:00 -
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Depends how much isk you have, but try to go for the maller, it has a resist bonus and plenty of armor also has 5 turrets
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Reatu Krentor
Minmatar
Void Spiders
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:08:00 -
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a cruiser 
There's 3 choices for Amarr for cruisers.
The Omen, a no-nonsense heavy hitter(at least intended that way) designed for delivering as much damage as possible in a short time. cap bonus on med lasers and Rate of Fire bonus reflect that. It does have issues however fullfilling that role because it has problems actually fitting the guns.
The Arbitrator, in these times where nosferatu's are really powerfull tools to disable opponents it can be a powerfull ship because it has a drone damage bonus and as such has room in the highs for nosferatu, while still having respectable damage from drones.
The Maller, with it's armor resistance bonus armor tanks on the Maller can be quite tough if you fit it for tanking. Alternative fit is to go with as much damage as possible and because it has 5 turrets it matches the Omen in dps output(assuming lvl 4 cruiser) while having a stronger passive tank then the Omen.
That's about it for Amarr cruisers afaik.
Crystal-Slave, that way?
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Firos
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:12:00 -
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Yeah, thanks. I took a look at the cruisers, and after I supe up my destroyer a bit, and train cruiser skills, I'll save up for a cruiser of some sort.
Much appreciated.
-Firos.
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DarkElf
Caldari
DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:15:00 -
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after a destroyer comes a t1 frigate
unless ur salvaging and then it's the best in it's field 
DE
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Mush Room
Svea Rike
Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:29:00 -
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I recommend you skip destroyers and go right to cruisers, destroyers are a dead end. CCP doesn't want them to play any useful role in the game outside insta-popping frigs in L1 missions. So don't waste time training up Destroyers lvl 5.
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Arx Impera
Amarr
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Mush Room
I recommend you skip destroyers and go right to cruisers, destroyers are a dead end. CCP doesn't want them to play any useful role in the game outside insta-popping frigs in L1 missions. So don't waste time training up Destroyers lvl 5.
Interdictor.
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Pinky Denmark
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Posted - 2007.01.11 15:23:00 -
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Enjoy your destroyer... Try save up 5m for an Omen or Arbitrator and train up so you can use medium equipment and fit a nice cruiser... You can also go for a Maller but It's probably much faster to get a tier 2 cruiser and then save up for the tier 3 doing level 2 missions (destroyers aren't that good in lv 2 missions).
Pinky
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DarkElf
Caldari
DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.11 15:37:00 -
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you'll also find that many cruiser can operate quite nicely with small t2 guns and an uber tank so you may be ready to fly one before u'd think. thorax and maller are 2 very good examples of this.
DE
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Firos
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Posted - 2007.01.12 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Firos on 12/01/2007 00:03:42
Silly 2d 18 hours training my frigates to level 4, going to have to get an implant (if I can find a bargain perhaps) or train up my stats. After I get my frigates to L4, I'll get a cruiser and I'll try and get med laser turrets and see where I go from there.
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Nnam Pir
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.12 00:47:00 -
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I just think of destroyers as frigates with much more firepower. |
Mr Peanut
Crimson Star Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.12 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nnam Pir
I just think of destroyers as frigates with much more firepower.
They can't tank worth...anything. It's just not worth it. IMO, the only exception is when you just started the game, like the OP did. This is because they are inexpensive to purchase and outfit when compared to cruisers. I went from frigate to destroyer and loved it. Noobs don't have the skills or knowledge to make frigates un-killable.
OP: IMO, your next ship should be either a Maller or an Arbitrator. Both are excellent cruisers. The Maller is more expensive, but the Arbitrator requires decent drone skills to fully utilize. The rest of the Amarr cruisers aren't very useful even for seasoned veterans of the game, much less new players like you.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.12 09:32:00 -
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Since Kali, destroyers can tank. They got almost three times as much extra HP % as other tech 1 ships.
They don't do it as well as a cruiser, but they are by far not the guns mounted on rice paper they were before. Give it a try sometime, you'll find them to be quite okay now.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.12 09:34:00 -
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Quote:
What comes after destroyer?
Killmails.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.12 10:23:00 -
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I'd say...
Frigate > Destroyer
Cruiser > BattleCruiser (Since they fill the role of cruiser killers)
so the _logical_ progression is destroyer > battlecruiser.
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Romulan Dominiae
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Posted - 2007.01.12 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
I'd say...
Frigate > Destroyer
Cruiser > BattleCruiser (Since they fill the role of cruiser killers)
so the _logical_ progression is destroyer > battlecruiser.
were you perhaps trying to say:
frig < dest
and
cruiser < BC
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Daftex Muleson
Minmatar
UNITED KINGDOM MAYHEM
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Posted - 2007.01.12 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nnam Pir
I just think of destroyers as frigates with much more firepower.
...and a signature radius the size of a planet by comparison to a frig (Rifter - base sig 35, Thrasher base sig - 75)!
I spent a while trying to find a use for a Thrasher and gave up...then came Salvaging. Finally the destroyer has a niche!
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.12 12:46:00 -
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Perhaps. ;)
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Firos
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Posted - 2007.01.13 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Firos on 13/01/2007 00:27:13
Originally by: Mr Peanut
Originally by: Nnam Pir
OP: IMO, your next ship should be either a Maller or an Arbitrator. Both are excellent cruisers. The Maller is more expensive, but the Arbitrator requires decent drone skills to fully utilize. The rest of the Amarr cruisers aren't very useful even for seasoned veterans of the game, much less new players like you.
Thanks for the info. I made 4.6m today in 8 hours or so, which is atleast enough to buy one of the less expensive cruisers (because the Maller takes L3 cruisers, or last time I checked it was), or is atleast not very far off. Still 1D 19H until I can actually train cruisers though (L4 frigates), should have a lot more money by then, which can pay for new mods, the ship and the insurance.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.13 06:29:00 -
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CCP is too scared to give Destroyers what they really need for fear of the AF lobby going ape****. unless we can squelch the AF lobby the destroyer will never get to where it should be.
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Imechal Ravpeim
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.13 06:48:00 -
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Destroyers are good for adding 100-200 dps to a fleet at the cost of about 3 million isk. They also make good interceptor and pod poppers.
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DemonStar Supernova
Aurora Empire
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2007.01.13 06:56:00 -
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Carrier. Better start training.
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