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GeoNoSiS
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Posted - 2003.12.03 01:42:00 -
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1. EXPLOITS
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if:
a. Investigation shows that a player has employed the use of an exploit tactic despite a public announcement being made to alert players they will be banned for using it.
b. A player who has been previously warned for exploiting and continues to exploit, whether using the same exploit or another.
c. An account holder guilty of employing ôdupingö exploits. Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts.
d. A player has engaged in activity that intentionally causes others to lose connection, suffer latency issues (lag) or to crash to desktop (CTD).
e. A player renders himself invulnerable through the use of a bug.
f. A player has created, distributed or advertised an illegal 3rd party program (i.e. macro or cheat program) that disrupts game mechanics, is considered unfriendly or gives an unfair advantage by misusing game features in a way for which they were not intended.
I just had to :)
So don¦t lag the JIP¦s with can¦s and drones 
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2003.12.03 04:07:00 -
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*braces for the flaming that will inevitably follow*
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.12.03 04:23:00 -
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Of course its an exploit, always have been and always will be...
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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Darth Vodka
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Posted - 2003.12.03 04:29:00 -
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G:
if you had searched the forums (someone has kindly made a search feature available) for this topic, you would see a great many threads on the same subject.
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JaiMaster
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Posted - 2003.12.03 05:23:00 -
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id draw your attention to the second line -
"may result if"
CCP have retained the right to ban or not ban players for causing lag simply to destroy others. At the moment, their stance is obviously not ban... perhaps tankCEO's monthly fee is the difference between budget red and black at the moment?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.03 05:42:00 -
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id draw your attention to the second line -
"may result if"
CCP have retained the right to ban or not ban players for causing lag simply to destroy others. At the moment, their stance is obviously not ban... perhaps tankCEO's monthly fee is the difference between budget red and black at the moment?
Actually it's a matter of being able to prove conclusively that it's an exploit. Tehcnically, I can declare you attempting to lag me intentionally if you show up at a fight with more than one ship 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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GeoNoSiS
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Posted - 2003.12.03 07:21:00 -
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I knew the fact that this would probably be flamed and I just wanted to remind this, since JIP lagging has been in the spotlight for the past few weeks
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.12.03 08:08:00 -
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Lol, funny how my name is mentioned. Yet I remember last time I died, (pod killed to Pie) I might recall puussycat telling me that Pie and its allies had 15+ ships all with drones out. Bunch of hyprocrites man. You make it like im the only one to use this tactic.
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sutty
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Posted - 2003.12.03 08:11:00 -
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did you see them tank :? if you didn't stfu.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2003.12.03 09:03:00 -
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The problem is not Tank CEO or any other pirate camping at a jump-in. The problem is that jump-in-camping is 1 of the few ways to force players to combat. Think it over: if its not possible to force players to combat, why have pirates in the game? No pirates in the game will make the game itself 100% boring - atm its only 99% boring  .
Encounter and combat system have to be changed soon. 3k players...but there is still a chance to make EVE perfect. Encounter distance chooseable from 50-200k when jumping or warping seems to be a solution. This will make jump-in camping impossible but also will make nearly impossible to break through blockades. All in all it gives pirates and victims a fair game.
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.12.03 09:13:00 -
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did you see them tank :? if you didn't stfu.
Yes actually i did right before my clone activated when i had relogged, so you stfu, i also might recall u using this tactic so u stfu too.
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Noggy
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Posted - 2003.12.03 12:03:00 -
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Actually TankCeo
It was me amongst many others that took this up with all the GM's and Developers since you came up with the quote "Gm's say its not an exploit".
The GM's kindly took that eve mail you sent me from my inbox and used that as evidence. I did not want any compensations as I had it insured. I just wanted to the DEVS to stop pretending this wasn't an exploit as in the darkness of a mail they would admit it to being an exploit but once cornered by the mass open crowd they would feel threatened and make up excuses.
I do not agree this is the only way to force people to combat as I have been with a few pirates and antipirates myself and seen some real neat ways of getting people forced into combat without using lag exploits. Fair enough we did not get 100% of all people that passed through and we werent guaranteed to kill every person but thats what makes it a game isnt it?
I can understand how the person above mentioned that its the only way of forcing someone to combat and removing it will make the game boring but still your exploits do not make a reasonable excuse.  There are other ways that work and dont you get bored of not having a challenge??
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GeoNoSiS
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Posted - 2003.12.03 12:06:00 -
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Tank, you reap what you sow, keep that tactics, and in the end, everyone will be using them against you.
But I do totally agree, that this is one of the very few ways to force pvp. pvp fixing should be on CCP¦s top priority list.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.12.03 12:20:00 -
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Well, here we go again.
Camping JI with drones out ISNT an exploit.
camping JI with multiple containers/mining drones for the purpose of lagging your opponent is, as these items have no place in combat.
trying to prove it is another matter.
would rather not see these topics constantly dragged up though. they only start conflicts and flames. We need love and peace , and group hugs.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.12.03 12:44:00 -
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I agree Darth - and Tank obviously needs a lot of 'em 
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Jim Hawkins
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Posted - 2003.12.03 14:25:00 -
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On the one hand, deliberately JIP lagging and shooting someone before they can react is a bit like playing chess by yourself. There's no challenge to it and there can be only one winner. Where's the fun in that? Maybe JIP laggers like to play with themselves (pun intended).
On the other hand. How else are you gonna shoot someone (if that's what you want to do) if they can just run off at the slightest threat.
I suppose my point is that EVE is just a game and it's not perfect. It has flawed mechanics which can be exploited and the only real solution is to just deal with it. I mean, what are you gonna do other than whine and moan?
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Eltigre
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Posted - 2003.12.03 15:16:00 -
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Exploit :: Defined
The use of ANY game mechanic(s) that results in an UNFAIR advantage over another player such that the affected player cannot defend against the attack resulting in defeat !
JIP LAG is an EXPLOIT ! Get over it !
The fact that CCP has stated it is allowed doesn't make it a non-exploit, IMHO.
JIP LAG is a serious game design flaw !
JIP LAG could be easily eliminated as a serious game design flaw by simply programming the game server(s) to not send physics data on anything other than a ship until AFTER the player begins moving the ship or uses any module(s).
JIP LAG is caused by the game client getting a flood of physics data from all the crap (drones or cans) people have placed near the JIP.
IF CCP wanted to eliminate this serious game design flaw they easily could with very little trouble or expense.
Why does CCP allow this serious game design flaw ? My theory is that the worst player pirates in the game all work for CCP or CCP favors player pirates at the expense of the rest of us. I have yet to hear about any "exploits" non-pirates have used to kill pirates that were allowed to be used in-game such as JIP LAG or JIP camping. Yes, anti-pirates have used JIP LAG and/or/ JIP camps to kill pirates but which group used this tactic first ? Pirates, right ? Players with evil intent will always figure out how to manipulate the game in ways the rest of us would NEVER have figured out ! Ya think ?!?
I am boycotting low-sec space that connects with systems that pirates can easily enter until such time as CCP chooses to balance this game. Gate-to-Gate jumping is one step in the right direction. It is yet to be seen as to whether or not this will "balance" the game to allow otherwise defenseless JIP LAG'd players to at least try to defend themselves. My guess is it will help some but the real problem is the design of the game itself. I would be willing to bet there will still be instances of JIP LAG so severe (as it will have to be) so as to LAG a player for longer than the 60 secs of cloak you get when jumping into a system at the gate that leads back to the system ya jumped from.
Bottom line for me is CCP needs to fix JIP LAG my adjusting the way the game servers automatically perform a DOS (Denial of Service) attack on players hitting a JIP.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.12.03 15:31:00 -
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Ok, since this topic wont go away.
Ill give u my thoughts.
The worse thing that CCP have ever done in this game is to put sentry guns at lo sec empire space, rats have now very little option but to JI lag.
Now the moaners who asked for this, are now complaining about JI lagging, least they had a chance to outrun the rats.
now let it rest, we all know about it, we all cant do shi t about it.
just shut your eyes and jump.
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Dark Nyte
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Posted - 2003.12.03 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Nyte on 03/12/2003 15:52:11
Edited by: Dark Nyte on 03/12/2003 15:46:49
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will make nearly impossible to break through blockades. All in all it gives pirates and victims a fair game.
No it doesn't nearly impossible to break through blockade is completely unfair and stupid, you are saying that any person who doesn't have a bigger ship than you (assuming there is only one of each you) will not be able to move between systems making it kinda pointless to fly an indy, do trade, or mine biskot?
I have lost countless indys to CA SCUM (and as much as I may h8 them, i don't think the caused lag to do it either) so what the hell is wrong with you pirates if you can't manage to shoot an indy with out all these rule changes or exploits ?
the only way i would accept being forced into PvP was once I had been attacked the agreesor warp drive wouldn't work for 10 minutes and you couldn't log giving me time for back up or for a friend to hunt you down and kill you? If i can't escape you should have a chance a loseing you ship too?
I'm fed up of hearing how tough it is for pirates.
but unless you spend a good deal of time trying to move stuff about you don't realise how annoying it is when u hear ppl talk about how the expect to be able to take the loot from every indy/ship that pass them by?
Like that solution do you?
and there seem to be so many Pirate and Pirate Hunting corps ? and you don't get enoght PvP ???? WTF ? try looking for each other. Your problems are you keep running away from each other as soon as you are out gunned
You say you should be able to blow up none PvP players ships easily and they should'nt be able to get away, but all these PvP'ers complaining never seem to sit still when there ships are at risk? and we don't have any guns!!!!
u just want to be spoon fed, there are enoght PvP Anit Pirate corps out there to give you a good Fight you just have to Take the risks PvP requires! not expect none PvPers to foot the bill and work tirelessly for your so you can sit at a JIP or GAte and blow us to kingdom come!
its like a Non PvP player saying pirates should not be allowed guns
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.12.03 19:12:00 -
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Killed by a pirate due to lag
Question
Q: What happened and will i get reimbursed?
Answer
When a player jumps into a system, he is loaded into the system before he sees space and his options load on-screen. This is how the gameplay is implemented. The spawnpoints, where the ships re-appear in the jumped-to-system, are few and that makes it easy for soulless pirates to target and kill defenseless pilots before they can do anything. Some pirates have used numerous battle drones, causing even more lag, which can make your spawntime even longer and thus easier for the pirates to kill you. Since it has been decreed by CCP that this is a gameplay issue and the lag is player created, we are not able to reimburse players that get hit this way.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.12.03 21:31:00 -
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Using mining drones at a JIP is an exploit since there are no roids to mine at a JIP. Using combat drones is not. Ask a GM..... :)
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Antimater
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Posted - 2003.12.03 21:39:00 -
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well..the only come back is "souless pirates" that take this approach..but hey...do they really care what you call em? NO...harsh words are met with actions in eve...take your pick..I know where my flamming's at!
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