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Megedagik Parris
Minmatar
Underground Arena Tournaments
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Posted - 2007.01.11 19:59:00 -
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I want to run missions for the Angel Cartel. As I understand it I will lose standings with the various so called good guys, namely the four races Navy's. This is all fine and dandy. Also my understanding is that they will shoot me when my standing goes too low (-5.0 I believe?)
This is where I think its unfair, They can shoot me (no problem with that, it makes sense) but If I do manage to take them down they just re-spawn. Is this correct? If so then this seems unfair and does not logically make sense.
Next thing that seems out of whack is that, lets say I get high standings with the Cartel, surely logic would say that they like me and the Angel rats will not attack me? You would think so but from my research this does not happen. They will still attack me.
So to conclude, I will be attacked by both sides. How is this fair/logical? It is not. From a role playing perspective it just does not make any sense either.
I was told whining gets you stuff So come on CCP you have an awesome game here but some of the logic regarding factions and standings are wrong. I have whined now, so can you change it for me
MegeDagik
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:04:00 -
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How about Concord not shooting the rats in hi-sec space? Same thing.
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Kylania
Gallente
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:06:00 -
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Life isn't fair princess, anyone who tells you otherwise is selling something. 
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ToxicFire
Warlords Corp
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:07:00 -
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Simple solution, remove npc pirate factions and allow players to become those pirate factions so they can play both good and bad sides
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Cyrus Graham
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Megedagik Parris
They can shoot me (no problem with that, it makes sense) but If I do manage to take them down they just re-spawn. Is this correct? If so then this seems unfair and does not logically make sense.
How does it not? If you run into a military base in real life and shoot a few guys, do you think that this will be the end of it? Of course not. There are planty of people nearby who will be more than happy to shoot you for your troubles.
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Next thing that seems out of whack is that, lets say I get high standings with the Cartel, surely logic would say that they like me and the Angel rats will not attack me? You would think so but from my research this does not happen. They will still attack me.
I sort of agree on this to a point, but just try to keep in mind, they are pirate scum. Maybe you should pick better friends?
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So to conclude, I will be attacked by both sides. How is this fair/logical? It is not. From a role playing perspective it just does not make any sense either.
Scum killing scum. From the perspective of a guy RPing a guy in the Caldari Navy it makes perfect sense. Saves the Navy some trouble, really.
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vinnymcg
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:37:00 -
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Although i do agree with you it doesn't make much sense for both sides to shoot you I'm going to have to disagree. IF anybody got a high standing with a NPC pirate corp they could then mine in that corps 0.0 space freely without being touched by rats.
But maybe a nice way to make it more role playing would be for the pirate ships not to shoot you until you shot them (lowering your standing) or if you started to mine in one of there areas they would shoot you showing you a message on the screen saying that you do not have permission to mine in this area.
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Megedagik Parris
Minmatar
Underground Arena Tournaments
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: vinnymcg
Although i do agree with you it doesn't make much sense for both sides to shoot you I'm going to have to disagree. IF anybody got a high standing with a NPC pirate corp they could then mine in that corps 0.0 space freely without being touched by rats.
Why shouldn't this happen? If you own the 0.0 space and have high standings with the "locals"?
Originally by: vinnymcg
But maybe a nice way to make it more role playing would be for the pirate ships not to shoot you until you shot them (lowering your standing) or if you started to mine in one of there areas they would shoot you showing you a message on the screen saying that you do not have permission to mine in this area.
This would make more sense in my opinion.
Thanks for being constructive and not trolling
MegeDagik
Enjoying my noobness since 2006 |
Syrec
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania
Life isn't fair princess, anyone who tells you otherwise is selling something.
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Easy Target
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.11 20:59:00 -
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I agreee
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i think it is a case of game balancing over logical reasoning
The same reason why ships have a max speed in space, the same reason why u can fly through planets, the same reason why NPC pirates always hate you... :)
They could come up with some vallied RP reason for it i am sure, but why bother, it is done to maintain balance, lower security areas have harder NPC to make the lower ores harder to get and mine.
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Cyrus Graham
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.12 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Megedagik Parris
Originally by: vinnymcg
Although i do agree with you it doesn't make much sense for both sides to shoot you I'm going to have to disagree. IF anybody got a high standing with a NPC pirate corp they could then mine in that corps 0.0 space freely without being touched by rats.
Why shouldn't this happen? If you own the 0.0 space and have high standings with the "locals"?
Again, you are not dealing with nice people. I'm a generally nice person, but if you go rummaging through my things and stealing money out of my wallet, I'm going to get seriously ****ed. If you go trying to "steal" ore from the asteroids that these pirates are patrolling, then they aren't going to be to happy with you. And once again, these are not nice people.
The navy of each nation is there to protect empire space from criminals. From you. That's why they shoot at you. The pirate factions are out to make an isk at someone else's expense, and if they could be relied upon not to go back on their word and to treat people fairly, they probably wouldn't have gotten into pirating in the first place. So they have no qualms about making a buck off the guy that retreived a shipment for them or whatever you did to raise standings with them if no other convenient mark presents itself to them. That's why they shoot at you.
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2007.01.12 02:52:00 -
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Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 12/01/2007 02:49:22
Originally by: vinnymcg
But maybe a nice way to make it more role playing would be for the pirate ships not to shoot you until you shot them (lowering your standing) or if you started to mine in one of there areas they would shoot you showing you a message on the screen saying that you do not have permission to mine in this area.
So you're saying that the rats should only attack you in asteroid belts?
Well that would require some sort of a clever rat which is a concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud...
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
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