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Xx Nomad
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.12.01 17:38:49 -
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Recently, at Eve Vegas, there was a beautiful presentation on the economy of the Eve Universe. After watching that presentation a few times I don't believe there was a graph or chart that indicated just how Plex were (are) consumed by the player base per month. (30 day).
Is this information available anywhere both currently and historically? That would give us a very good base of the health of the game. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9452
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Posted - 2015.12.01 17:46:13 -
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Take one a month, get plenty of rest and try not to PVE too much
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn
Resonance.
191
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Posted - 2015.12.01 17:59:16 -
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Xx Nomad wrote:That would give us a very good base of the health of the game.
I'm quite curious what rate of plex consumption you would consider healthy...
Personally I would consider a high plex consumption unhealthy, people would appear to be grinding away for ISK and not having fun.
Zero plex consumption would be healthy. People are paying their subs, and enjoying a balanced play style where their ISK-consumption (pvp) meets their ISK production (pve). Also all players would appear to consider EVE a game worth their subscription money. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
41022
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Posted - 2015.12.01 18:05:29 -
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The comment thread for the economic update is the best place to ask this. CCP might not provide that stat, but CCP Quant is more likely to see this if you post it in the official thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6149256&_ga=1.154894456.1743750090.1442478155#post6149256
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Budrick3
Quantum Wolves
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Posted - 2015.12.01 18:11:11 -
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Can't we get a decent idea of consumption by looking at the thirty day chart on the jita market. I tHink this would provide a good rough estimate. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1125
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Posted - 2015.12.01 18:15:34 -
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Budrick3 wrote:Can't we get a decent idea of consumption by looking at the thirty day chart on the jita market. I tHink this would provide a good rough estimate.
No, that's just going to show you how many plex were traded. Doesn't tell you a damn thing about how many were consumed.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2015.12.01 21:11:04 -
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The yearly financials that ccp had subbmitted to the iceland gov (that a player translated and did a report on) stated that:
Looking at the "In-game purchases not yet consumed" line indicates that the US$ value of Plex sitting in hangers has risen from $2.1m to $3.0m. If we assume each Plex costs $15 then that indicates the number of Plex sitting in hangers has risen from 140.5k to 197.7k (using the same methodology in December 2012 there was 71k Plex sitting in hangers).
you cna find that blog here:
http://marketsforisk.blogspot.com/2015/05/ccp-financial-statements-for-2014-review.html
So baring an official ccp response, that gives you a general idea
so if you run a report of the ammount of plex traded last year, and remove the increase, you can get a rough idea of the amount consumed
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2853
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Posted - 2015.12.02 03:14:07 -
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Trevor Dalech wrote:Xx Nomad wrote:That would give us a very good base of the health of the game. I'm quite curious what rate of plex consumption you would consider healthy... Personally I would consider a high plex consumption unhealthy, people would appear to be grinding away for ISK and not having fun. Zero plex consumption would be healthy. People are paying their subs, and enjoying a balanced play style where their ISK-consumption (pvp) meets their ISK production (pve). Also all players would appear to consider EVE a game worth their subscription money.
PLEX consumption by volume mess little really.
You could have 100 pieces used a month over 100,000 people or 100 over 10,000. Even the percentage itself is not very useful in of itself. The rate of change would be interesting.
And a healthy rate really depends on personal preference. People tend to forget (or deny) that others actually enjoy or prefer ISK making activities.
And for every guy who is potentially "grinding away" there is another person who is willing to pay extra to play with more. |
Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
495
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Posted - 2015.12.02 03:23:59 -
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How did PLEX come to be attached to the "health of EVE"? Frankly, I don't see it.
Paranoia strikes deep....
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1698
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Posted - 2015.12.02 05:22:52 -
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Trevor Dalech wrote:Xx Nomad wrote:That would give us a very good base of the health of the game. . Personally I would consider a high plex consumption unhealthy, people would appear to be grinding away for ISK and not having fun. .
Some people just have billions in excess ISK and nothing particular to spend it on so PLEX purely becasue they can.
Just saying.
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Kaska Iskalar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.12.03 01:06:45 -
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Xx Nomad wrote:Is this information available anywhere both currently and historically? That would give us a very good base of the health of the game.
It would only tell us how much of the player base is either poor or too young to have a credit card. We'd need to know both the subscription numbers and the PLEX numbers to know how many active accounts there are. |
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
491
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Posted - 2015.12.03 02:16:11 -
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Kaska Iskalar wrote:Xx Nomad wrote:Is this information available anywhere both currently and historically? That would give us a very good base of the health of the game. It would only tell us how much of the player base is either poor or too young to have a credit card.
Or ya know anyone that just thinks -ú15 a month is more than they want to spend (over the requisite grind/play time they could expend instead).
I'm a 30+ yr old gamer...that plays eve. -ú30 each month (2 accounts) adds upto a lot of fun I could be having in other titles that might exceed the time it used to take me to 'grind' (/play) for Plexes. And tbh...I have one month left on my subs with a Plex ready on each to resub should I feel like it later but the amount of time I'd have to spend running anoms/incursions, which I find enjoyable at certain doses, has been exceeded...
Too poor to play, nope. Too young to have a credit card, nope. Better things to spend it on (gaming-wise), yep.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
654
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Posted - 2015.12.03 05:42:22 -
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Xx Nomad wrote:
Thist would give us a very good base of the disease of the game.
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Always Shi
t Posting
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Posted - 2015.12.03 13:02:52 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Kaska Iskalar wrote:Xx Nomad wrote:Is this information available anywhere both currently and historically? That would give us a very good base of the health of the game. It would only tell us how much of the player base is either poor or too young to have a credit card. Or ya know anyone that just thinks -ú15 a month is more than they want to spend (over the requisite grind/play time they could expend instead). I'm a 30+ yr old gamer...that plays eve. -ú30 each month (2 accounts) adds upto a lot of fun I could be having in other titles that might exceed the time it used to take me to 'grind' (/play) for Plexes. And tbh...I have one month left on my subs with a Plex ready on each to resub should I feel like it later but the amount of time I'd have to spend running anoms/incursions, which I find enjoyable at certain doses, has been exceeded... Too poor to play, nope. Too young to have a credit card, nope. Better things to spend it on (gaming-wise), yep.
It's nice of you to keep an account subbed for posting on the forums in between playing all these other awesome games. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
405
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Posted - 2015.12.03 13:50:13 -
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If people started consuming all those PLEX floating around all of a sudden, it would be pretty bad. Imagine half of the players not paying fees for a few months or so. PLEX being bought and not used are basically a loan to CCP. So, PLEX consumption is tied somewhat to CCPs health, not so much to the health of the game. |
Daerrol
Death By Design
Did he say Jump
273
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Posted - 2015.12.03 17:07:37 -
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I sell about 1 plex every month. I wish I could say the higher prices are making the amount of plex I need decrease but it feels like I just use more flashy ships :( |
DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2015.12.03 18:56:54 -
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Rowells wrote:Trevor Dalech wrote:Xx Nomad wrote:That would give us a very good base of the health of the game. I'm quite curious what rate of plex consumption you would consider healthy... Personally I would consider a high plex consumption unhealthy, people would appear to be grinding away for ISK and not having fun. Zero plex consumption would be healthy. People are paying their subs, and enjoying a balanced play style where their ISK-consumption (pvp) meets their ISK production (pve). Also all players would appear to consider EVE a game worth their subscription money. PLEX consumption by volume mess little really. You could have 100 pieces used a month over 100,000 people or 100 over 10,000. Even the percentage itself is not very useful in of itself. The rate of change would be interesting. And a healthy rate really depends on personal preference. People tend to forget (or deny) that others actually enjoy or prefer ISK making activities. And for every guy who is potentially "grinding away" there is another person who is willing to pay extra to play with more.
pretty much. all plex numbers show is how much extra money ccp is getting. for all we know all the plex in game is bought by a single dude.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1269
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Posted - 2015.12.03 19:47:31 -
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CCP has said it themselves, PLEX is their boon and their bane.
It must be a damn good system for the largest MMO in the world to copy it, and several of the smaller ones to also follow suit.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33034
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Posted - 2015.12.04 07:20:21 -
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Damn, scip. lookat you being all helpful and asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
41062
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Posted - 2015.12.04 07:53:47 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Damn, scip. lookat you being all helpful and asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk
Aren't I always
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
492
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Posted - 2015.12.05 03:36:22 -
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Always Shi wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Kaska Iskalar wrote:Xx Nomad wrote:Is this information available anywhere both currently and historically? That would give us a very good base of the health of the game. It would only tell us how much of the player base is either poor or too young to have a credit card. Or ya know anyone that just thinks -ú15 a month is more than they want to spend (over the requisite grind/play time they could expend instead). I'm a 30+ yr old gamer...that plays eve. -ú30 each month (2 accounts) adds upto a lot of fun I could be having in other titles that might exceed the time it used to take me to 'grind' (/play) for Plexes. And tbh...I have one month left on my subs with a Plex ready on each to resub should I feel like it later but the amount of time I'd have to spend running anoms/incursions, which I find enjoyable at certain doses, has been exceeded... Too poor to play, nope. Too young to have a credit card, nope. Better things to spend it on (gaming-wise), yep. It's nice of you to keep an account subbed for posting on the forums in between playing all these other awesome games.
One's already lapsed this one dies on the 23rd. Debating whether to liquidise a gila and tengu or some of my gecko stack for Xmas goodies on each account or not... That's if I make it to my gaming PC from my current placement before then anyways... Till then a few weeks of forums online shouldn't matter unless every player that decides not to pay makes you butthurt xD
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
750
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Posted - 2015.12.05 04:18:24 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Always Shi wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Kaska Iskalar wrote:Xx Nomad wrote:Is this information available anywhere both currently and historically? That would give us a very good base of the health of the game. It would only tell us how much of the player base is either poor or too young to have a credit card. Or ya know anyone that just thinks -ú15 a month is more than they want to spend (over the requisite grind/play time they could expend instead). I'm a 30+ yr old gamer...that plays eve. -ú30 each month (2 accounts) adds upto a lot of fun I could be having in other titles that might exceed the time it used to take me to 'grind' (/play) for Plexes. And tbh...I have one month left on my subs with a Plex ready on each to resub should I feel like it later but the amount of time I'd have to spend running anoms/incursions, which I find enjoyable at certain doses, has been exceeded... Too poor to play, nope. Too young to have a credit card, nope. Better things to spend it on (gaming-wise), yep. It's nice of you to keep an account subbed for posting on the forums in between playing all these other awesome games. One's already lapsed this one dies on the 23rd. Debating whether to liquidise a gila and tengu or some of my gecko stack for Xmas goodies on each account or not... That's if I make it to my gaming PC from my current placement before then anyways... Till then a few weeks of forums online shouldn't matter unless every player that decides not to pay makes you butthurt xD
If the game isn't worth paying for, then it isn't worth playing either.
The problem with Plex is it allows people to play a game they don't care enough about to pay for.
CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.
40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
492
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Posted - 2015.12.06 02:07:29 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:If the game isn't worth paying for, then it isn't worth playing either
This is patently false. Will you gamble 20s on a **** game for free? (Assuming negligible loading and learning times)
If you don't lie and say no then we're into the realms of speculation and personal preference. Fin.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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