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elitatwo Eve Minions The-Company 931	Posted - 2015.12.02 10:41:18 - [1] - Quote Can someone explain to me why pirate implant pricetags are so over the place? Some low-grade implants costs more than an epsilon mig-grade or a high-grade costs less than a low-grade. Is it unclear to you that all pirate implants cost the same and some even drop for free? Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Jerry T Pepridge Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC. 396	Posted - 2015.12.02 10:52:59 - [2] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Can someone explain to me why pirate implant pricetags are so over the place? Some low-grade implants costs more than an epsilon mig-grade or a high-grade costs less than a low-grade. Is it unclear to you that all pirate implants cost the same and some even drop for free? If your having trouble affording an item, then don't buy it. I like my implants expensive as ****, so when u get to kill one - u can laugh a little between beard scratches.
elitatwo Eve Minions The-Company 933	Posted - 2015.12.02 10:55:05 - [3] - Quote Wow that almost explains it. Someone else maybe? Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Jerry T Pepridge Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC. 396	Posted - 2015.12.02 11:03:56 - [4] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Wow that almost explains it. Someone else maybe? what part didn't you get, the rhetorical question you asked or the beard itching?
Damjan Fox Fox Industries and Exploration 195	Posted - 2015.12.02 11:04:30 - [5] - Quote Supply and demand. Oddly enough, low-grade implants drop in Lowsec (instead of Highsec). And both, Highsec and Nullsec are farmed waaaaay more, than Lowsec. So i would guess, there are a lot more mid and high-grade implants available on the market. Proposal: >>> New Inventory / Item Hangar <<<
elitatwo Eve Minions The-Company 933	Posted - 2015.12.02 11:42:00 - [6] - Quote Okay that explains it alot better. Can you also explain the supply of pirate implants is infinate and high-grades cost 80m isk and 80k LP and they are still sold for 2783473896275695 bajillion isk? When you want a slave or snake set would there be any reason to not plug an omega in too? Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Damjan Fox Fox Industries and Exploration 197	Posted - 2015.12.02 12:13:43 - [7] - Quote Quote: Can you also explain the supply of pirate implants is infinate and high-grades cost 80m isk and 80k LP and they are still sold for 2783473896275695 bajillion isk? So, in your first post, high-grades were too cheap and now they are too expensive? The supply is NOT infinite. Somebody has to run missions in Null to get the LP. And the ratio is around 2.500 ISK/LP, so quite normal. If it's still too expensive for you, feel free to do those missions yourself. Quote: When you want a slave or snake set would there be any reason to not plug an omega in too? Cost and Cybernetics V. Proposal: >>> New Inventory / Item Hangar <<<
elitatwo Eve Minions The-Company 933	Posted - 2015.12.02 12:25:23 - [8] - Quote Damjan Fox wrote: Quote: Can you also explain the supply of pirate implants is infinate and high-grades cost 80m isk and 80k LP and they are still sold for 2783473896275695 bajillion isk? So, in your first post, high-grades were too cheap and now they are too expensive? The supply is NOT infinite. Somebody has to run missions in Null to get the LP. And the ratio is around 2.500 ISK/LP, so quite normal. If it's still too expensive for you, feel free to do those missions yourself. Quote: When you want a slave or snake set would there be any reason to not plug an omega in too? Cost and Cybernetics V. I mean the other high-grades. Some high-grade betas or gammas are cheaper that mid-grade epsilons. And yes you have to run missions, like everyone else the pricetag in the LP store still remains the same for the whole set. So a high-grade snake or slave set would cost 480m and 480k LP and it is not that the agents in nullsec onle give you 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 lp per mission do they? The skill requirements of the omega implants are the same for all pirate implants and even they cost 80m and 80k LP. So if residents of NPC space have nothing else to do they might blitz some missions or do they get isk by magic? Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 9471	Posted - 2015.12.02 12:39:18 - [9] - Quote As said before, supply and demand is pretty much the long and short of it. Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
elitatwo Eve Minions The-Company 934	Posted - 2015.12.02 12:51:33 - [10] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: As said before, supply and demand is pretty much the long and short of it. maybe missions should pay more in null.. Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.

Damjan Fox Fox Industries and Exploration 197	Posted - 2015.12.02 13:04:21 - [11] - Quote Quote: Some high-grade betas or gammas are cheaper that mid-grade epsilons. The prices on the market just reflect the cost in the LP store. For example: Mid-Garde Slave Epsilon 45.000LP + 45mil ISK High-Grade Slave Beta 31.500LP + 31,5mil ISK But in general... Quote: I mean the other high-grades. Some high-grade betas or gammas are cheaper that mid-grade epsilons. And yes you have to run missions, like everyone else the pricetag in the LP store still remains the same for the whole set. So a high-grade snake or slave set would cost 480m and 480k LP and it is not that the agents in nullsec onle give you 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 lp per mission do they? The skill requirements of the omega implants are the same for all pirate implants and even they cost 80m and 80k LP. So if residents of NPC space have nothing else to do they might blitz some missions or do they get isk by magic? ... i have no clue, what you are trying to say. So i'll just stick with "supply and demand". Regards, Damjan Proposal: >>> New Inventory / Item Hangar <<<
elitatwo Eve Minions The-Company 934	Posted - 2015.12.02 13:11:46 - [12] - Quote Damjan Fox wrote: ....The prices on the market just reflect the cost in the LP store. For example: Mid-Garde Slave Epsilon 45.000LP + 45mil ISK High-Grade Slave Beta 31.500LP + 31,5mil ISK So i'll just stick with "supply and demand". Regards, Damjan Now that is odd. Next time I am in Stain I'll need to check the True Sansha LP store, there might be something wrong with that. It used to be that all high and mid and low-grades had the same value in LP and isk on them. Thanks for pointing that out. Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Dethmourne Silvermane Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 82	Posted - 2015.12.02 14:34:51 - [13] - Quote You should quit advertising your corporation until you're done being a complete ******* idiot. Interested Party (TM)
elitatwo Eve Minions The-Company 934	Posted - 2015.12.02 14:43:30 - [14] - Quote Dethmourne Silvermane wrote: You should quit advertising your corporation until you're done being a complete ******* idiot. Oh how I love NPCs that hide behind hiding. May I shoot you another eyelid? Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Elizabeth Norn Nornir Research 751	Posted - 2015.12.02 15:21:00 - [15] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Damjan Fox wrote: ....The prices on the market just reflect the cost in the LP store. For example: Mid-Garde Slave Epsilon 45.000LP + 45mil ISK High-Grade Slave Beta 31.500LP + 31,5mil ISK So i'll just stick with "supply and demand". Regards, Damjan Now that is odd. Next time I am in Stain I'll need to check the True Sansha LP store, there might be something wrong with that. It used to be that all high and mid and low-grades had the same value in LP and isk on them. Thanks for pointing that out. I doubt that, Omegas and Epsilons have always been the most expensive parts of the sets. Definitely not since Mid-Grade implants have existed, or rather when Low-Grades were renamed Mid-Grades and even weaker implants were introduced with the Low-Grade name. I don't think the current Low-Grade implants are even available in pirate LP stores. WTS ME 10 TE 20 BPOs & BPO Packs WTS Collectible Large Rigged Small/Medium Ships
Zerinia Alliance of Free Stars 51	Posted - 2015.12.04 05:07:38 - [16] - Quote The implants that give an attribute bonus are all scaled in effect benefit. So an Alpha will always be the lowest bonus and the epsilon the highest. Thus, a mid-grade epsilon will often cost more than a High-Grade Alpha.
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 385	Posted - 2015.12.09 04:01:44 - [17] - Quote elitatwo wrote: When you want a slave or snake set would there be any reason to not plug an omega in too? If you're stumping up for a set of Snakes or Slaves or any other implant set, you want that Omega. It's not really optional, imho. Pirate implant sets doesn't really work all that well until the Omega is plugged in. Some implants are pretty much just flat out not available. Look at the Mid Grade Centurion set. Three of the implants are available on the market, three basically don't ever appear on the market. The reasons are many and varied, but the bottom line is: people generally won't spend LP (especially Pirate Faction LP) on something they either can't sell easily or don't need themselves. Snakes, Crystals and Slaves are fairly widely used by a lot of different pilots in a lot of different situations. Some of the more esoteric implant sets have very niche uses, but they are very powerful when properly used to fulfill that niche. Virtues (probe scanning power) and Halos (signature radius reduction) come to mind. Halos, for example, are 100% pure AwesomeSauce when flying a Frigate, especially one fitted with an Afterburner, and 100% pure NewbSauce if you're in a Battleship. Snakes, on the other hand, are pretty sweet regardless what ship you're in. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
Ruvin Out of Sight. 186	Posted - 2015.12.09 09:48:28 - [18] - Quote depends , for example the gila/worm nerf made theyre price drop , so the respective lp was better cash out as crystal sets , which actually crashed the market . So it may be not obvious but even such changes have an impact . Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
Dethmourne Silvermane Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 92	Posted - 2015.12.09 12:38:40 - [19] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Dethmourne Silvermane wrote: You should quit advertising your corporation until you're done being a complete ******* idiot. Oh how I love NPCs that hide behind hiding. May I shoot you another eyelid? I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here. If you're whining that you can't wardec me, don't worry, I'll be in a player-run corp again soon enough. Taking a break to teach my little brother how he can plex his account with ISK before I trudge back into the line of fire. Interested Party (TM)
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17231	Posted - 2015.12.09 13:18:29 - [20] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: elitatwo wrote: When you want a slave or snake set would there be any reason to not plug an omega in too? If you're stumping up for a set of Snakes or Slaves or any other implant set, you want that Omega. It's not really optional, imho. Pirate implant sets doesn't really work all that well until the Omega is plugged in. Some implants are pretty much just flat out not available. Look at the Mid Grade Centurion set. Three of the implants are available on the market, three basically don't ever appear on the market. The reasons are many and varied, but the bottom line is: people generally won't spend LP (especially Pirate Faction LP) on something they either can't sell easily or don't need themselves. Snakes, Crystals and Slaves are fairly widely used by a lot of different pilots in a lot of different situations. Some of the more esoteric implant sets have very niche uses, but they are very powerful when properly used to fulfill that niche. Virtues (probe scanning power) and Halos (signature radius reduction) come to mind. Halos, for example, are 100% pure AwesomeSauce when flying a Frigate, especially one fitted with an Afterburner, and 100% pure NewbSauce if you're in a Battleship. Snakes, on the other hand, are pretty sweet regardless what ship you're in. Those use cases are situational again; a fleet bs is much better with halos, whilst snakes are essentially useless "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"

Anthar Thebess 1394	Posted - 2015.12.11 08:34:12 - [21] - Quote Consider also that isk payout for the pirate LP is very low when compared to other sources. If you have all V social skills you get 6.000 - 15.000 LP per mission - in order to do it you need to use similar ship you will do missions in higsec. Assuming 2500isk per lp this give you 15.000.000 -37.500.000 per mission. Some people could say that his is a lot , but then we have something like Lowsec LVL 5 missions or FW , where you can get 3-4 times more in the same amount time, Till the last patch change, you could do easily FW missions in a 30mil bomber - and good farmers could yeald up to 700mil per hour. Next thing are higsec incursions giving you 250mil/h - 100% safe in a cozy CONCORD protected space. Supply and demand , not to many people want to do pirate missions - they can provide good isk , but you can get the same (or more) isk doing incursions , or much more running LVL 5 or farming FW. 2-3 years ago this missions provided income for nullsec pirates raiding sov space , currently this changed a lot , and most of the groups fallen apart , or moved to lowsec. People can make more isk there , or by farming escalations in nullspace. For me this is bad change , as because of this "fun" you could get living in NPC or Sov space was greatly reduced. You can easily assume that 50% ( maybe more ) pirate implants come not from LP store, but from faction drops, that are more often , as chance for escalation was increased. For me current value of pirate LP is so low (compared to LVL 5 or FW) that i don't even care to pull any stuff from LP store. Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists Show your support to The Cause!
Ruvin Out of Sight. 197	Posted - 2015.12.11 10:57:59 - [22] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: Consider also that isk payout for the pirate LP is very low when compared to other sources. If you have all V social skills you get 6.000 - 15.000 LP per mission - in order to do it you need to use similar ship you will do missions in higsec. Assuming 2500isk per lp this give you 15.000.000 -37.500.000 per mission. Some people could say that his is a lot , but then we have something like Lowsec LVL 5 missions or FW , where you can get 3-4 times more in the same amount time, Till the last patch change, you could do easily FW missions in a 30mil bomber - and good farmers could yeald up to 700mil per hour. Next thing are higsec incursions giving you 250mil/h - 100% safe in a cozy CONCORD protected space. Supply and demand , not to many people want to do pirate missions - they can provide good isk , but you can get the same (or more) isk doing incursions , or much more running LVL 5 or farming FW. 2-3 years ago this missions provided income for nullsec pirates raiding sov space , currently this changed a lot , and most of the groups fallen apart , or moved to lowsec. People can make more isk there , or by farming escalations in nullspace. For me this is bad change , as because of this "fun" you could get living in NPC or Sov space was greatly reduced. You can easily assume that 50% ( maybe more ) pirate implants come not from LP store, but from faction drops, that are more often , as chance for escalation was increased. For me current value of pirate LP is so low (compared to LVL 5 or FW) that i don't even care to pull any stuff from LP store. dude almost all you said is wrong :\| i have 4 in social i do mission and they usually are from 10k to 20k burners . (maybe cargo delivery gives less but it takes 30 seconds) 2500 isk per lp , thats 25-50kk per mission (which are ehm 3-5 minutes ) lowsec lvl 5 are (GREAT money) but they exchange ratio is 500isk per 1lp . So they do make sick bux but still not like you make it look like . FW (no idea never done) ok incursions are sick bux aswell . but 250 is kinda far from "optimistic" I duno there are plenty of ppl runing pirate missions , those mission bought many alliances entire titans and super fleets . LVL 5 beats pirate missions , fw dont know , incursions and hs missions "do not" the ppl i play with live in venal for 10 years , and other friends i know in stain are there for a lot of time also . Did you know midgrade crystal is cheaper then low grade crystal ? And you understimate the amounts of implants ppl export from lp . you are really confused mate about npc null tbh Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
elitatwo Eve Minions The-Company 940	Posted - 2015.12.14 03:09:01 - [23] - Quote Ruvin wrote: ...Did you know midgrade crystal is cheaper then low grade crystal ? .. I noticed that when I was looking on eve-central and wondered how that came. But I was also wondering why we have a mid-grade in the first place.. Mysteries of CCP I guess. Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 719	Posted - 2015.12.17 05:33:29 - [24] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: As said before, supply and demand is pretty much the long and short of it. If you want to manipulate prices start a war where the product is made. CFC vs OOS and friends in venal might see an increase in pirate faction implant value. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Ruvin Out of Sight. 198	Posted - 2015.12.17 10:15:34 - [25] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Bumblefck wrote: As said before, supply and demand is pretty much the long and short of it. If you want to manipulate prices start a war where the product is made. CFC vs OOS and friends in venal might see an increase in pirate faction implant value. Mister Caled , you are in Razor , you are deployed at least in part in 6nj , we are at war and always were What i am saying is the impact would be minimal you cant really hellcamp us for more then a day or two , you tryed , you got bored . On the other hand gila nerf , that was a huge hit Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 719	Posted - 2015.12.17 15:12:11 - [26] - Quote Ruvin wrote: Caleb Seremshur wrote: Bumblefck wrote: As said before, supply and demand is pretty much the long and short of it. If you want to manipulate prices start a war where the product is made. CFC vs OOS and friends in venal might see an increase in pirate faction implant value. Mister Caled , you are in Razor , you are deployed at least in part in 6nj , we are at war and always were What i am saying is the impact would be minimal you cant really hellcamp us for more then a day or two , you tryed , you got bored . On the other hand gila nerf , that was a huge hit We want to kill your towers not squander time on keeping you docked. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.


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