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Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.12.02 15:19:33 - [1] - Quote I'm a facwar pilot who likes to fly solo. I've tried fleets, not my thing. Yes, I get ganked all the time, we all know it's the nature of the beast. However, I would love for the CCP to try experimenting with a combat plex for solo pilots. The plex gates are programmed to keep out anything larger than the size class they are made for, why not have one plex per system that will only let in one ship per faction in at a time? Neutrals (pirates) can still gank people going at the gates, it won't spoil their fun - but it will give us solo pilots a better chance to have some 1 on 1 fights.
Nameira Vanis-Tor Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 317	Posted - 2015.12.02 16:19:30 - [2] - Quote Guido-San Tosh wrote: I'm a facwar pilot who likes to fly solo. I've tried fleets, not my thing. Yes, I get ganked all the time, we all know it's the nature of the beast. However, I would love for the CCP to try experimenting with a combat plex for solo pilots. The plex gates are programmed to keep out anything larger than the size class they are made for, why not have one plex per system that will only let in one ship per faction in at a time? Neutrals (pirates) can still gank people going at the gates, it won't spoil their fun - but it will give us solo pilots a better chance to have some 1 on 1 fights. It won't work I'm afraid, people will just abuse that system. Plexes impact FW sovereignty. However a timer only functions if 1 factions pilot is in range of the structure. If a war target is in the plex but out of range then the timer still ticks down for the faction 'holding' the structure. This would be abused by people putting their character in a plex plus an alt they have in the enemy militia. This way they can afk plex with no risk of being interrupted, get free LP and impact on system contestation.
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.12.02 16:31:16 - [3] - Quote It won't work I'm afraid, people will just abuse that system. Plexes impact FW sovereignty. However a timer only functions if 1 factions pilot is in range of the structure. If a war target is in the plex but out of range then the timer still ticks down for the faction 'holding' the structure. This would be abused by people putting their character in a plex plus an alt they have in the enemy militia. This way they can afk plex with no risk of being interrupted, get free LP and impact on system contestation. [/quote] Yep, that occurred to me. Maybe by putting another timer on the plex, that if the 2 ships don't resolve a fight inside of 2 minutes, another set of ships from each faction will be let in? Perhaps letting in another ship in one goes out of the plex range?
Nameira Vanis-Tor Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 317	Posted - 2015.12.02 17:03:06 - [4] - Quote Guido-San Tosh wrote: It won't work I'm afraid, people will just abuse that system. Plexes impact FW sovereignty. However a timer only functions if 1 factions pilot is in range of the structure. If a war target is in the plex but out of range then the timer still ticks down for the faction 'holding' the structure. This would be abused by people putting their character in a plex plus an alt they have in the enemy militia. This way they can afk plex with no risk of being interrupted, get free LP and impact on system contestation. Yep, that occurred to me. Maybe by putting another timer on the plex, that if the 2 ships don't resolve a fight inside of 2 minutes, another set of ships from each faction will be let in? Perhaps letting in another ship in one goes out of the plex range? [/quote] Pretty tricky to do that code wise. Even if it were easily doable how would other pilots know that they could enter the plex? Their d-scan would show 2 ships so they would probably not look. Even if they could easily identify if they could enter the plex it is no longer solo PVP as the player abusing the plex now has two characters and ships in the plex vs the one newcomer. That then defeats the object of your suggestion.
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.12.02 17:43:28 - [5] - Quote Pretty tricky to do that code wise. Even if it were easily doable how would other pilots know that they could enter the plex? Their d-scan would show 2 ships so they would probably not look. Even if they could easily identify if they could enter the plex it is no longer solo PVP as the player abusing the plex now has two characters and ships in the plex vs the one newcomer. That then defeats the object of your suggestion. Ok, so how about widening the plex zone to 100km or more, and then letting someone else in if one pilot leaves the zone? Can you think of something else that could make this work?
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.12.02 18:28:37 - [6] - Quote How about killing the timer on the solo plex? The only lp to be gained would be from winning fights?
Andre Vauban Quantum Cats Syndicate Spaceship Bebop 437	Posted - 2015.12.02 20:17:37 - [7] - Quote You are looking for a different mechanic. FW is not about 1v1 honor fights. If that is what you want, look into dueling or maybe RvB if that is still around. .
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.12.02 21:19:17 - [8] - Quote I've been in the fac war for years now, I know it's not setup for solo pilots, that's my point - trying to find a way we can better contribute and have some fun too.
Andre Vauban Quantum Cats Syndicate Spaceship Bebop 439	Posted - 2015.12.02 23:08:48 - [9] - Quote Guido-San Tosh wrote: I've been in the fac war for years now, I know it's not setup for solo pilots, that's my point - trying to find a way we can better contribute and have some fun too. I would disagree, FW has been wonderful for solo as long as you don't demand "fair" 1v1's. .
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.12.03 02:08:16 - [10] - Quote Interesting. I just went through your kill list back through October on the killboards, and can't find one you had all by yourself. Do you fly solo with one of your alts?
Oreb Wing Black Fox Marauders 120	Posted - 2015.12.03 04:56:32 - [11] - Quote Many of our leaders find their time is most often spent leading groups and attending to the tedious affairs of corporate duties. They might not have many solo kills that are recent. Recent or not, not much has changed. You use your best judgement to steer a confrontation to your favor and odds. Whether that be solo, or even fighting outnumbered. The more you learn, the more you are prepared to predict to minimize being blobbed. I think you are leaning too far towards concentric pvp, which I think is very un-Eve like. The doubt and the planning are what make pvp's greatest moments and what makes them worth remembering. The more confident pilots become, the more solo there is, imo. Now, every fleet is different, along with every fleet commander. Fly only what you're willing to self -destruct at their command and you'll find that you won't mind losses or mistakes as much, while learning more and more on your end. The greatest fights I've had aren't the ones that are solo. They were the ones when you're outnumbered and a few pilots beat the odds by flying well. There is no grey area when the light of reason directs wisdom
Oreb Wing Black Fox Marauders 120	Posted - 2015.12.03 04:59:47 - [12] - Quote Then, when you find a group you trust and fit well with, you fly what you can't afford to lose and have the best time, balls to the wall. There is no grey area when the light of reason directs wisdom
Silverbackyererse The Church of Awesome 176	Posted - 2015.12.03 05:32:07 - [13] - Quote There was a rumbling of an idea for an arena style fight system a year or so ago but I believe it got dropped. I've a niggling feeling it was a CCP Greyscale idea so it was maybe for the best. Just ask in local OP. You'll soon work out whos legit about a honourable 1v1 or not but it's best done with you and the other party in a fleet and a safe spot, not in a plex where there will often be gatecrashers to your party. FW plexes are not there for honourable duels.
erg cz Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords 375	Posted - 2015.12.03 09:12:34 - [14] - Quote The core idea of that MMORPG is get friends. Can't beat that Maulus Navy sitting in a PLEX ? Bring more friends. Thats the game design and any solo benefit stuff like this will go against game politic. Absolutely free trial extension. Just click the link and get your extra 2 weeks of Eve for free!
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.12.03 14:12:24 - [15] - Quote Once again, I've done the fleet thing and I don't have as much fun with it as I do flying solo. This idea was based on SOLO PILOTS being able to get more out of the fac war part of the game. Hell, I spent 2 hours running around the warzone last night. I got into 1 fight, which was a draw, and dodged a few ganks. Meh, not bad, not good. Funny how people always want to convince you that you're playing the game wrong if you're not playing it their way. Aaaand the core idea of a MMORPG is to make money off of lots of nerds like us. If making it more fun for solo pilots to fight in fac war draws in a few more nerds for CCP to milk for $$$, then its in their best interests to do so.
Maccian Soul Takers 36	Posted - 2015.12.03 14:28:16 - [16] - Quote You can always do the 1v1 challenge in local and if they don't uphold the request, name, shame and question their space honour!
Cara Forelli Meticulously Indifferent 1334	Posted - 2015.12.03 18:38:43 - [17] - Quote Oreb Wing wrote: I think you are leaning too far towards concentric pvp, which I think is very un-Eve like. I think you mean consensual pvp. Concentric pvp happens every time a fleet orbits the anchor. Adventures New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: *House Forelli* Titan's Lament
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.12.03 20:15:23 - [18] - Quote Heh. I wouldn't go so far as consensual, but I would appreciate the gankers kising me first...
Oreb Wing Black Fox Marauders 120	Posted - 2015.12.03 20:58:24 - [19] - Quote Your idea fits better as a Pirate than as part of a Faction, which you do not seem to understand implies a group effort by its very nature and function as it currently exists. There is no grey area when the light of reason directs wisdom
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.12.03 21:25:40 - [20] - Quote Actually Oreb, the group effort is to defeat the enemy faction, not to do so by fleet action only. That's why single ships can still capture plexes, and why single pilots can fly warzone missions. This concept really bugs you doesn't it? Someone can't play the game any way but the way you like? Tsk.
Oreb Wing Black Fox Marauders 120	Posted - 2015.12.03 21:36:34 - [21] - Quote I actually fly solo often. I get in to a lot of fights that never make it to my KB because no one dies in the engagement. Some of the best i've had. But to consider myself above the militia or outside of it, is... well frankly quite arrogant. I can even picture you trying to smash an iHub by yourself even. How amazing you must be. There is no grey area when the light of reason directs wisdom
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.12.03 22:26:32 - [22] - Quote You're not paying attention, I work toward the same goal as the rest of the militia, and I do help out in fleets from time to time. I just don't like it as much as flying solo. When a system is under siege, I head over and see what I can do to help out. I will confess to tossing torps at a hub after everyone else bailed, just to see if I could keep it going until everyone else came back. The enemy left me there for a half an hour until they decided to run me off on general principles...
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 41052	Posted - 2015.12.03 22:33:18 - [23] - Quote Guido-San Tosh wrote: Once again, I've done the fleet thing and I don't have as much fun with it as I do flying solo. This idea was based on SOLO PILOTS being able to get more out of the fac war part of the game. Hell, I spent 2 hours running around the warzone last night. I got into 1 fight, which was a draw, and dodged a few ganks. Meh, not bad, not good. Just ask for a 1v1 in local. Many people like 1 v 1 pvp, so as long as you build a reputation in your area for honoring the idea, you'll end up with quite a few people willing to give you 1 v 1 fights. Quote: Funny how people always want to convince you that you're playing the game wrong if you're not playing it their way. At the same time, it's funny that a lot of feature requests people make are designed in a way that will let them play exactly how they want to, while excluding other people's style of play. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.12.03 23:51:07 - [24] - Quote Sorry Scipio, didn't realize another type of plex would stop someone's game play.
Cara Forelli Meticulously Indifferent 1337	Posted - 2015.12.03 23:57:07 - [25] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Just ask for a 1v1 in local. Asking for a 1v1 is like proposing on the first date. It takes all the fun out of the courtship. And even if she says yes, it still doesn't feel quite right. Adventures New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: *House Forelli* Titan's Lament
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 41056	Posted - 2015.12.04 00:04:00 - [26] - Quote Guido-San Tosh wrote: Sorry Scipio, didn't realize another type of plex would stop someone's game play. If you want a 1v1 PLEX, that PLEX limits the choices others have in how to engage. Limits is probably a better word than prevents, so my mistake. Feature ideas are always based around that basic concept though: let me play how I want while limiting the choices of others in how they can play/interact with me. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 41056	Posted - 2015.12.04 00:05:12 - [27] - Quote Cara Forelli wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Just ask for a 1v1 in local. Asking for a 1v1 is like proposing on the first date. It takes all the fun out of the courtship. And even if she says yes, it still doesn't feel quite right. I agree. But if you want to only have honorabru 1v1s, then asking is the surest way to know (aside from links support of course). Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 1618	Posted - 2015.12.04 00:10:35 - [28] - Quote Traditionally 1v1 are done with a fleet invite in a safespot. I guess thats too hard for people now.
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.12.04 01:38:35 - [29] - Quote Ok, once again, this was an idea so that solo fac war pilots might get to fight each other and get to contribute to system conquest a little more often. Not to stop us from getting ganked, hell - a few ships cloaked out side the gate would still nail them. Even without the cloak, somebody gets careless and doesn't d-scan before heading there gets raped too. I still don't see how this would limit anyone. Couldn't group pilots still gank at the plex gate? At the system gates? At the other plexus? One plex won't flip a system on it's own, but can contribute to it.
Andre Vauban Aideron Robotics 442	Posted - 2015.12.04 02:04:04 - [30] - Quote Guido-San Tosh wrote: Interesting. I just went through your kill list back through October on the killboards, and can't find one you had all by yourself. Do you fly solo with one of your alts? Don't look at Z-kill, they count NPC's so a lot of "solo" doesn't show as solo since there was an NPC that did 20 damage on the mail. Battleclinic is better. I've also been very inactive the last 2 months. I'm not claiming to be anything other than an average solo pilot either. .
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 1619	Posted - 2015.12.04 02:29:48 - [31] - Quote "Hey guys, im performing a hostile action that could effect your ability to dock in your home station, COME AT ME. But please, one at a time." Ok mate.
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.12.04 03:40:05 - [32] - Quote Yeah, like that makes any less sense than 'nope - your ship is too big, go another combat zone'...
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.12.04 03:44:25 - [33] - Quote So far, the only argument that really makes me doubt the idea is Nameira's - there are too many ways to exploit a plex like this.
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 1619	Posted - 2015.12.04 03:54:05 - [34] - Quote Guido-San Tosh wrote: Yeah, like that makes any less sense than 'nope - your ship is too big, go another combat zone'... I go to a system that a 100 man corp lives and expect a solo fight over 100 peoples docking rights? No, of course you are right lol, k. I fight in a novice and 100 people come in frigates, that is their right. It is their system. If you didnt want that, you chose the wrong system.
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.12.04 04:55:49 - [35] - Quote Yeah, Crosi - you've been playing for 5 years and I've only been playing for 2. Makes me new, huh? Huh, that 100 man corp is gonna get put on the road by one plex getting flipped? Oh, and what would stop them from kongo lining the lone pilot? Might take them a few minutes longer to kill the guy, but he'd be dead either way. Hmmm, no right to a fair fight? I go in an novice and you can't go in with a destroyer. Why is that not allowed? Re-read this thread again from the begining sunshine. Never claimed a right to anything, just thought it would be fun for solo's to have their own plex to fight over. Making one thread and discussing the ups and downs of idea doesn't seem to be much of a whine. So really, are you actually worried about my suggestion, or are you just looking for more of a chance to troll? If you like, I can come up some other silly ideas for you to rant about. I'm nothing if not accommodating...
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 1619	Posted - 2015.12.04 05:06:21 - [36] - Quote Ive been playing a lot longer than 5 years.
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.12.04 14:25:20 - [37] - Quote Hmmmm. Feed the troll? Sure, I'll throw you some popcorn. Funny, your character hasn't been played more than 5 years. If this is an alt, what's you'r main? The entire game is an indulgence. All games are. Solo PvP helping the fac war a horrible prospect? You still haven't come up with a real reason how. A horrible mechanic? Going after someone after their fight is finished? People do it all the time to try to nail someone when they are damaged and weakened. If this is a pathetic idea, why are so threatened by it? You've certainly wasted plenty of time writing about it. If it's that pathetic, why even comment at all? Or do you enjoy wasting time on the forums more than flying? You haven't proven your case, particularly how this would be a detriment to others. All you've done is thrown some personal insults and try to belittle the proposal by insulting the presenter. Proving you are a troll in need of feeding. Well, now you've been fed, so please feel free to vent your spleen. By the way, you don't like whining, you probably shouldn't read forums...
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2005	Posted - 2015.12.04 14:39:13 - [38] - Quote -1 i need my falcon alt on grid all the time Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 905	Posted - 2015.12.04 15:16:26 - [39] - Quote You want a solo fight, go to hisec and duel people.
Oreb Wing Black Fox Marauders 120	Posted - 2015.12.04 15:19:04 - [40] - Quote Guido-San Tosh wrote: If this is a pathetic idea, why are so threatened by it? You've certainly wasted plenty of time writing about it. If it's that pathetic, why even comment at all? Or do you enjoy wasting time on the forums more than flying? You haven't proven your case, particularly how this would be a detriment to others. All you've done is thrown some personal insults and try to belittle the proposal by insulting the presenter. It would certainly not be fun with the sneaky kind of ships that are available in the game. Why recount the possible scenarios that could occur if any two of any kind of ship were allowed within a complex? That would be a waste. There is no grey area when the light of reason directs wisdom
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.12.04 16:05:39 - [41] - Quote Yeah Oreb, you're probably right. Also, as I said earlier, Nameira's also probably right about all the ways to exploit/cheat this making it unworkable.
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 1622	Posted - 2015.12.04 16:21:42 - [42] - Quote Guido-San Tosh wrote: Hmmmm. Feed the troll? Sure, I'll throw you some popcorn. Funny, your character hasn't been played more than 5 years. If this is an alt, what's you'r main? The entire game is an indulgence. All games are. Solo PvP helping the fac war a horrible prospect? You still haven't come up with a real reason how. A horrible mechanic? Going after someone after their fight is finished? People do it all the time to try to nail someone when they are damaged and weakened. If this is a pathetic idea, why are so threatened by it? You've certainly wasted plenty of time writing about it. If it's that pathetic, why even comment at all? Or do you enjoy wasting time on the forums more than flying? You haven't proven your case, particularly how this would be a detriment to others. All you've done is thrown some personal insults and try to belittle the proposal by insulting the presenter. Proving you are a troll in need of feeding. Well, now you've been fed, so please feel free to vent your spleen. By the way, you don't like whining, you probably shouldn't read forums... Im not threatened by this proposal. Im just saying its fixing a problem that doesnt exist. There are already various mechanics out there including the current plexes that allow people to engineer solo fights. Go out there and get your solo pvp. But dont expect others to adhere to your choices, and certainly dont force them to Dont expect your choice to fly solo to impact someone elses home system beyond your capability to fight there. The fact that you want to seek solo pvp is fine, the fact you want a specific plex seems a little unnecessary, the fact you want these plexes to effect occupancy highlights a misplaced entitlement you seem to have.
Guido-San Tosh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.12.04 18:02:40 - [43] - Quote Entitlement? Hmmmm - throwing the popcorn back ehhh? Sorry, not biting.
Kaska Iskalar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2015.12.17 18:51:11 - [44] - Quote Guido-San Tosh wrote: I'm a facwar pilot who likes to fly solo. I've tried fleets, not my thing. Yes, I get ganked all the time, we all know it's the nature of the beast. However, I would love for the CCP to try experimenting with a combat plex for solo pilots. The plex gates are programmed to keep out anything larger than the size class they are made for, why not have one plex per system that will only let in one ship per faction in at a time? Neutrals (pirates) can still gank people going at the gates, it won't spoil their fun - but it will give us solo pilots a better chance to have some 1 on 1 fights. Someone could just make alts in the other factions so nobody could get in to attack or defend the plex.
PlantythePottedPlant Ultima Unitatis No Points Necessary 15	Posted - 2015.12.18 01:58:58 - [45] - Quote Also, it's worth noting that this would have an effect on other FW pilots who don't want to use them. The mechanic for respawning plexes would either have to ignore them or incorporate them- If you ignore them, then you have double (or whatever proportion) the plexes in a system, allowing it to swap hands that much faster. If you incorporate them into the current mechanic, that's plexes that could be novice/small/medium/large regulars being these solo only plexes. The more you dilute the number of plexes that can possibly spawn, the harder it is to properly dictate fight size, which isn't a good or bad thing necessarily, it's just a thing that has an effect on everyone involved, and trying to say that it doesn't is untrue.
IbanezLaney The Church of Awesome 1518	Posted - 2015.12.23 14:07:53 - [46] - Quote Guido-San Tosh wrote: I've been in the fac war for years now, I know it's not setup for solo pilots, that's my point - trying to find a way we can better contribute and have some fun too. Eve is already being ruined by CCP listening to people expecting 1v1s/solo play in an MMO. Please don't contribute to ruining eve further. https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2187	Posted - 2015.12.23 14:11:01 - [47] - Quote IbanezLaney wrote: Guido-San Tosh wrote: I've been in the fac war for years now, I know it's not setup for solo pilots, that's my point - trying to find a way we can better contribute and have some fun too. Eve is already being ruined by CCP listening to people expecting 1v1s/solo play in an MMO. Please don't contribute to ruining eve further. ikr its like being a regular at a bookshop but constantly complaining they dont sell dvd's when the shop next door sells dvd's Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic \| Angel Cartel \| Serpentis \|

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