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Balleo Nidavellir	Posted - 2007.01.13 02:48:00 - [1] The Nidavellir corporation hereby declares its complete and unconditional surrender to the Free Captains of the Star Fraction. Nidavellir formally renounces its ties with the Cyrene Initiative and the Gallente Federation. Nidavellir acknowledges the superiority in the arts of war of the Star Fraction and has no desire to engage in fruitless combat with them for ideals in which we no longer believe. The Gallente Federation is not worth fighting for and we will not risk our assets in its interests. We affirm that we shall not return in the future to supporting the Cyrene Initiative or propagandising on behalf the Federation understanding that to do so would invalidate the surrender which we here freely offer. The interests of the Nidavellir now lie in the exploitation of space and the development of corporate interests divorced from national or imperial considerations. We recognise that the Star Fraction is fighting for a free future for all capsuleers and ultimately all humanity. We do not oppose their vision. We urge all others to look to their own interests as we shall now look to ours. Balleo CEO, Nidavellir
Jonny Damordred Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.13 02:55:00 - [2] Edited by: Jonny Damordred on 13/01/2007 02:52:02 Originally by: Balleo The Nidavellir corporation hereby declares its complete and unconditional surrender to the Free Captains of the Star Fraction. Nidavellir formally renounces its ties with the Cyrene Initiative and the Gallente Federation. Nidavellir acknowledges the superiority in the arts of war of the Star Fraction and has no desire to engage in fruitless combat with them for ideals in which we no longer believe. The Gallente Federation is not worth fighting for and we will not risk our assets in its interests. We affirm that we shall not return in the future to supporting the Cyrene Initiative or propagandising on behalf the Federation understanding that to do so would invalidate the surrender which we here freely offer. The interests of the Nidavellir now lie in the exploitation of space and the development of corporate interests divorced from national or imperial considerations. We recognise that the Star Fraction is fighting for a free future for all capsuleers and ultimately all humanity. We do not oppose their vision. We urge all others to look to their own interests as we shall now look to ours. Balleo CEO, Nidavellir Accepted on behalf of Star Fraction. Cheers, Jonny D. -----
Lexiana Del'Amore Gallente Equilibrium Society	Posted - 2007.01.13 10:28:00 - [3] To the members of Nidavellir, A narrow minded group consumed by Pitty self-interest, relinquishing their ideals, abandoning their principles and fleeing like cowards in the face of battle.It sickens me to share a bloodline with weak and feeble leader as yourself.
Vicarrah Minmatar Three Kind Buds	Posted - 2007.01.13 11:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Lexiana Del'Amore To the members of Nidavellir, A narrow minded group consumed by Pitty self-interest, relinquishing their ideals, abandoning their principles and fleeing like cowards in the face of battle.It sickens me to share a bloodline with weak and feeble leader as yourself. I will neither comment on, nor judge the actions of the Nidavellir, they have made their choices and must follow their own way, however the narrow-mindedness of the above quote must be responded to. Any Entity, be it corporate, political, or individual, has the right to choose its own future. Internal change in response to external stimuli and forces is required if the entity wishes to survive and prosper. Your own signature has the following quote "Fortune Favours the brave...." - I ask you, which is braver, to succumb to forces outside your control, or to re-evaluate your position, change, and renew yourself? Vicarrah Tahiri Advisor
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Lexiana Del'Amore To the members of Nidavellir, A narrow minded group consumed by Pitty self-interest, relinquishing their ideals, abandoning their principles and fleeing like cowards in the face of battle.It sickens me to share a bloodline with weak and feeble leader as yourself. I'd like to see you do something for the pro-federation forces in their hour of need. But this isn't happening, is it?
Lexiana Del'Amore Gallente Equilibrium Society	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:04:00 - [6] Dear Vicarrah, I, like yourself, believe a Entity should have the freedom to choose it's own future.However if that Entity desides to join a alliance based upon the guiding principles of the Federation, and then completely abandons those principles once a few ships are lost in combat, then i can only conclude they are indeed extremely narrow minded and have nothing more than pitty self-interest at heart.The Nidavellir's actions can hardly be discribed as BRAVE. Cowardess springs to mind.If monetary gain is the sole purpose of the Nidavellir they should never have joined the Cyrene Initiative and sold themselves as a pro-federate corporation.
Lexiana Del'Amore Gallente Equilibrium Society	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:12:00 - [7] Dear Tecam Hund, Why would the Equilibrium Society choose to help a Alliance willing to abandon its own princibles? I can assure you our Society will not change it's beliefs, even if set upon by a terrorist faction as yourselves, who only serve the interests of a few attention seeking capsuleers.
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Lexiana Del'Amore Dear Tecam Hund, Why would the Equilibrium Society choose to help a Alliance willing to abandon its own princibles? I can assure you our Society will not change it's beliefs, even if set upon by a terrorist faction as yourselves, who only serve the interests of a few attention seeking capsuleers. I think the right question would be, why would Equilibrium Society judge others without experiencing the same? There are a lot of outspoken pilots out there. Only a handful make an impact.
Cipher7	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:43:00 - [9] Ya know I probably shouldn't say anything but I think I'll open my big mouth today. There comes a time during every arse-kicking that one questions one's values, what one believes in, and asks themselves a fundamental question. "Was it worth it?" If the only reason you can come up with for committing violence on another soul is "duh guverment," most sapient individuals would question that motive and politely excuse themselves to the nearest exit. Obviously these folks have come to the same conclusion, and their decision should be respected. C7
Lexiana Del'Amore Gallente Equilibrium Society	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Tecam Hund I think the right question would be, why would Equilibrium Society judge others without experiencing the same? There are a lot of outspoken pilots out there. Only a handful make an impact. If by impact you mean the senseless slaughter of freethinking capsuleers then yes,Star Fraction are making quite a impact. But winning your battles against hopelessly outnumbered forces does not prove you are right or wrong,only who is left to tell the story.
Lexiana Del'Amore Gallente Equilibrium Society	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Cipher7 Ya know I probably shouldn't say anything but I think I'll open my big mouth today. There comes a time during every arse-kicking that one questions one's values, what one believes in, and asks themselves a fundamental question. "Was it worth it?" If the only reason you can come up with for committing violence on another soul is "duh guverment," most sapient individuals would question that motive and politely excuse themselves to the nearest exit. Obviously these folks have come to the same conclusion, and their decision should be respected. C7 To be one's self, and unafraid whether right or wrong, is more admirable than the easy cowardice of surrender to conformity of Star Fractions ideals.
Kaleigh Doyle Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.01.13 15:29:00 - [12] The principles of the Federation are under assault Ms. Del'Amore. Unless you intend to join the fray, which I'm sure the SF is more than willing to accommodate, making bold accusations against another organization for their choice to remove themselves from conflict without knowing the circumstances is pompass and infantile. If you aren't willing to walk beside them, you are in no position to judge.
Celedris Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.13 15:49:00 - [13] Dear Lexiana Del'Amore: You talk much of bravery and cowardice from the comfortable sidelines of a conflict. An old historian and general once said: Confidence, out of a mixture of ignorance and good luck, can be felt even by cowards. A sense of true superiority comes only to those who know that they are better prepared than their opponents. Would you be so prepared to cast away the leisurely trappings of your current station and throw every asset on the line to fight for your ideology? -Cele
Violet Ju'wien Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle The principles of the Federation are under assault Interesting. The Federation aren't the only ones who support Freedom, Justice and Liberty. Don't you follow my sisters religeon now, Ms Doyle? Aren't you Sani Sabik? This is a mess. The Star Fraction are delusional in thinking that nationalism can be destroyed in the minds of all Pod-Pilots. But nationalism is a disease that needs to be controlled. Pod-pilots are one of the single biggest causes of death in the Eve cluster. The outer alliances masacre each other but wipe out civilisations of people with blinks of their eyes. But nationalism causes the deaths of billions, constantly wrapped under cover of justice or religeon or money. Star Fraction may be deluded in their actions, but their beliefs may actually be well founded. I just hope that in their post-humanism, they don't forget their '-humanism'. ----- "Boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past" Thukkers do.
Kaleigh Doyle Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:34:00 - [15] I was refering to the principle of democracy, not the ambiguity of freedom, justice, and liberty.
Violet Ju'wien Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle I was refering to the principle of democracy, not the ambiguity of freedom, justice, and liberty. Oh come on, Ms Doyle. We both know you're not naive enough to believe in Democracy anymore - It's a tool used by the powerful to manipulate the multitude into thinking they have some semblance of control. How's your initiation into Bloodveil going? I expect your mistress will teach you about the finer art of manipulation; parts the Federation may even have used on yourself. ----- "Boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past" Thukkers do.
Violet Ju'wien Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle I was refering to the principle of democracy, not the ambiguity of freedom, justice, and liberty. Oh come on, Ms Doyle. We both know you're not naive enough to believe in Democracy anymore - It's a tool used by the powerful to manipulate the multitude into thinking they have some semblance of control. How's your initiation into Bloodveil going? I expect your mistress will teach you about the finer art of manipulation; parts the Federation may even have used on yourself. ----- "Boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past" Thukkers do.
Kaleigh Doyle Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:46:00 - [18] Don't afford yourself the liberty of presumption on my behalf dear. Having lived in the Federation most of my life, I'm well aware of the flaws and advantages of a democratic government.
Kaleigh Doyle Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:46:00 - [19] Don't afford yourself the liberty of presumption on my behalf dear. Having lived in the Federation most of my life, I'm well aware of the flaws and advantages of a democratic government.
Lexiana Del'Amore Gallente Equilibrium Society	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle The principles of the Federation are under assault Ms. Del'Amore. Unless you intend to join the fray, which I'm sure the SF is more than willing to accommodate, making bold accusations against another organization for their choice to remove themselves from conflict without knowing the circumstances is pompass and infantile. If you aren't willing to walk beside them, you are in no position to judge. The Federation is indeed under assault Ms.Doyle, both from outside the federation as much as from corruption inside our political system.However our society aims to resolve some of these issues by opposing the current goverment in the Senate. If history has taught us anything it's that the sensless slaughter of innocent men, woman and childeren resolves absolutely nothing, although i understand your bi-monthly fad for fame and popularity has seen you recently acquire a taste for blood. What i believe in might no longer be what the Federation is Miss Doyle, however i will not abandon my beliefs to suit the red dress i might be wearing at the time. And as to you query why we did not support the Cyrene Initiative, again i point to the fact it would be futile to support a alliance willing to abandon their own principales in favor for pitty self-intrest.
Lexiana Del'Amore Gallente Equilibrium Society	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle The principles of the Federation are under assault Ms. Del'Amore. Unless you intend to join the fray, which I'm sure the SF is more than willing to accommodate, making bold accusations against another organization for their choice to remove themselves from conflict without knowing the circumstances is pompass and infantile. If you aren't willing to walk beside them, you are in no position to judge. The Federation is indeed under assault Ms.Doyle, both from outside the federation as much as from corruption inside our political system.However our society aims to resolve some of these issues by opposing the current goverment in the Senate. If history has taught us anything it's that the sensless slaughter of innocent men, woman and childeren resolves absolutely nothing, although i understand your bi-monthly fad for fame and popularity has seen you recently acquire a taste for blood. What i believe in might no longer be what the Federation is Miss Doyle, however i will not abandon my beliefs to suit the red dress i might be wearing at the time. And as to you query why we did not support the Cyrene Initiative, again i point to the fact it would be futile to support a alliance willing to abandon their own principales in favor for pitty self-intrest.
Lexiana Del'Amore Gallente Equilibrium Society	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Celedris Dear Lexiana Del'Amore: You talk much of bravery and cowardice from the comfortable sidelines of a conflict. An old historian and general once said: Confidence, out of a mixture of ignorance and good luck, can be felt even by cowards. A sense of true superiority comes only to those who know that they are better prepared than their opponents. Would you be so prepared to cast away the leisurely trappings of your current station and throw every asset on the line to fight for your ideology? -Cele If it was my battle to fight, Absolutely!
Kaleigh Doyle Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Lexiana Del'Amore And as to you query why we did not support the Cyrene Initiative, again i point to the fact it would be futile to support a alliance willing to abandon their own principales in favor for pitty self-intrest. An enemy is clear in its intent to undermine the fabric of democratic society and unravel the Federation under its feet. I made no mention of supporting the Cyrene Intiative in my address, rather supporting the principles you feel strongly enough to deride your fellow men and women who are fighting and dying for them, and have chosen life over ideal. Again, if you feel as strongly as you do, I'm sure the SF would be more than willing to accommodate your nationalistic sense of pride.
Lexiana Del'Amore Gallente Equilibrium Society	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Originally by: Lexiana Del'Amore And as to you query why we did not support the Cyrene Initiative, again i point to the fact it would be futile to support a alliance willing to abandon their own principales in favor for pitty self-intrest. An enemy is clear in its intent to undermine the fabric of democratic society and unravel the Federation under its feet. I made no mention of supporting the Cyrene Intiative in my address, rather supporting the principles you feel strongly enough to deride your fellow men and women who are fighting and dying for them, and have chosen life over ideal. Again, if you feel as strongly as you do, I'm sure the SF would be more than willing to accommodate your nationalistic sense of pride. If it is Star Fractions intention to declare war upon our Society then so be it, undoubtably it will be a great learning experiance for myself. However, if it is your intention to intimadate me Ms.Doyle you are sadly mistaken.
Kaleigh Doyle Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Lexiana Del'Amore If it is Star Fractions intention to declare war upon our Society then so be it, undoubtably it will be a great learning experiance for myself. However, if it is your intention to intimadate me Ms.Doyle you are sadly mistaken. Oh my, am I making you uncomfortable? grins Perhaps it's the guilt of showing such bluster against your fellow men and women without having the courage to stand in their place? Fortune favors the brave you know..
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Lexiana Del'Amore The Federation is indeed under assault Ms.Doyle, both from outside the federation as much as from corruption inside our political system.However our society aims to resolve some of these issues by opposing the current goverment in the Senate. (My underscoring) So, in other words: You are trash-talking those that have fought and bled for pulling out of armed conflict, while you yourself proudly state that you'll just be talking to your politocrats and consider that your contribution? Pitiful. Absolutely pitiful. Join the revolution, babeh!
Lexiana Del'Amore Gallente Equilibrium Society	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Tatsue Nuko So, in other words: You are trash-talking those that have fought and bled for pulling out of armed conflict, while you yourself proudly state that you'll just be talking to your politocrats and consider that your contribution? Pitiful. Absolutely pitiful.[/quote Talking to the politocrats will indeed have to do for now, not as noble as killing innocent people,organizing beauty contests or handing out superficial rings i know...
Balleo Nidavellir	Posted - 2007.01.13 18:14:00 - [28] Edited by: Balleo on 13/01/2007 18:10:41 Originally by: Lexiana Del'Amore To the members of Nidavellir, A narrow minded group consumed by Pitty self-interest, relinquishing their ideals, abandoning their principles and fleeing like cowards in the face of battle.It sickens me to share a bloodline with weak and feeble leader as yourself. We have fought it out and thought it through. We have lost ships and pilots. I would also venture to say we have more than proportionally contributed to the CYI military as a corporation. We simply have a difference of opinion. The ideals of CYI should be compatible with the goals of the Intaki. Your attempts to attack our character have fallen on deaf ears. I will let the responses of others already stated here speak for that.
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.13 18:17:00 - [29] Lexiana, We kill people that more than deserve what's coming to them. From your words, I assume you count yourself among these "innocents"? The rest I'll let the relevant people bother with, if they feel you're worth the effort.
Balleo Nidavellir	Posted - 2007.01.13 18:18:00 - [30] Originally by: Lexiana Del'Amore Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle The principles of the Federation are under assault Ms. Del'Amore. Unless you intend to join the fray, which I'm sure the SF is more than willing to accommodate, making bold accusations against another organization for their choice to remove themselves from conflict without knowing the circumstances is pompass and infantile. If you aren't willing to walk beside them, you are in no position to judge. The Federation is indeed under assault Ms.Doyle, both from outside the federation as much as from corruption inside our political system.However our society aims to resolve some of these issues by opposing the current goverment in the Senate. If history has taught us anything it's that the sensless slaughter of innocent men, woman and childeren resolves absolutely nothing, although i understand your bi-monthly fad for fame and popularity has seen you recently acquire a taste for blood. What i believe in might no longer be what the Federation is Miss Doyle, however i will not abandon my beliefs to suit the red dress i might be wearing at the time. And as to you query why we did not support the Cyrene Initiative, again i point to the fact it would be futile to support a alliance willing to abandon their own principales in favor for pitty self-intrest. Let me be clear. The Cyrene Initiative has not abandoned this conflict. Its values are intact. Furthermore, they are not the ultra-federalist faction some of the Intake believe them to be. I implore both sides to engage in meaninful, respectful dialog to attain mutual understanding of each other and end this fruitless conflict.

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