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Budrick3
Quantum Wolves
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Posted - 2015.12.10 17:02:59 -
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First I will say that I have played Valkyrie at Fan Fest, and absolutely loved it. It was fun, graphics in my opinion were on point, and game play brought back some memories of X-wing vs Tie fighter.
If I were to buy the Oculus Rift, the investment would be mainly for Valkyrie because other titles don't intrigue me much.
So my concern is this...
Is Valkyrie going to be more vaporware like the majority of CCP's other titles where they release it and barely support it, or does CCP have more than a handful of people dedicated to making sure this new pioneered experience becomes all that it can be?
As much as I want to lye to myself, I know from past experiences that if something is not profitable right off that bat, CCP will do the absolute minimum to keep up appearances with public relations, and slowly abandon it.
Biggest example to date would be DUST 514, and the apparent abandonment of Legion?
Would past failures like DUST 514 make you think twice before investing in another one of CCP's products? Share your thoughts below... |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
27050
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Posted - 2015.12.10 17:11:04 -
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Only that Dust is actually profitable...
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Nalia White
Tencus
147
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Posted - 2015.12.10 17:13:41 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Only that Dust is actually profitable...
source? |
Budrick3
Quantum Wolves
178
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Posted - 2015.12.10 17:15:56 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Only that Dust is actually profitable...
It just became profitable recently, and that is because all of the third world countries started buying ps3 and dust is free to play.
Hilmar was interviewed just recently and stated that they just started turning a profit on the game.
There is barely any support for the game so please dont try to defend it.
CCP released the game for ps3 6 months before the ps4 came out, and then had no plans for ps4 or backward compatibility. |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
27050
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Posted - 2015.12.10 17:20:41 -
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March ...
... is not recently ...
... but okay.
I am not defending anything ...
... and thanks for exposing your ****** attitude early enough.
You may have the last word, I'm sure you need it.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Budrick3
Quantum Wolves
178
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Posted - 2015.12.10 17:28:15 -
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Solecist Project wrote:March ...
... is not recently ...
... but okay.
I am not defending anything ...
... and thanks for exposing your ****** attitude early enough.
You may have the last word, I'm sure you need it.
Thanks, Ill use the last word to my advantage.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. |
Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
2171
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Posted - 2015.12.10 18:25:07 -
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Budrick3 wrote:CCP released the game for ps3 6 months before the ps4 came out, and then had no plans for ps4 or backward compatibility.
they showcased project legion at fanfest 14 and got shat on by the dust community, and we haven't heard anything about it since, and now the dust community cries out #portdust514
With Valkyire they have a bunch of outside investment and sounds like oculus (now part of facebook) is pretty interested in it too. It turning into vapor ware would be a very bad thing for CCP.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
2171
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Posted - 2015.12.10 18:48:33 -
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PS: looks like you might not actually have to buy it ;) https://twitter.com/oculus/status/674983291527671808
@ChainsawPlankto
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
295
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:08:27 -
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I wouldn't bother until it's release and has proven itself.
Been around since the beginning.
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Kaska Iskalar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.12.11 00:05:43 -
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Budrick3 wrote:As much as I want to lye to myself,
Lye to yourself? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
15091
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Posted - 2015.12.11 11:12:29 -
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Valkyrie is an amazing game and tons of fun - even if I get a bit motion sick myself (probably bc I haven't mastered the settings yet). I have full faith in this title to become huge - the only concern that I may have is if it will or how it will be connected to EVE in similar ways that Dust is - if that is to happen and how that may affect things - and the worry is that Valkyrie will like magic pop up on facebook feeds as a social feature...
/c
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
515
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Posted - 2015.12.11 11:40:28 -
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The future of gaming is the holodeck - or as close as they can get to it. And, believe me, there are folks out there trying. Not to see if it can or will be done, but to be involved in it when it comes to be. Valkyrie is a substantial step in this direction. (As such, it has already put CCP in yet another chapter of computer gaming history.)
I often tell people to do EVE's trial just to be part of the history that is computer gaming. I tell them, "You may not want to subscribe, but you owe it to yourself to take a look at it, if only to say you've seen it." Valkyrie looks like the same thing in that sense, and in that sense if you have the fundage to be a part of this early development, you do owe it to yourself
in that regard - to be a part of history however small.
If you're one of these people who consider themselves self-proclaimed gaming experts who play games just to make proclamations from on high about their sucktitude or lack thereof, you're probably not the sort of person who should be involved in a seminal activity. There's bound to be something to criticize, however minute, and we wouldn't want anyone to be unduly upset now, would we?
The problem with absolute immersion will always pivot on the interface. Oculus is certainly not the final word in this. The group that developed it will be the first to tell you, twenty years from now there will be this type of interface gaming world-wide as the rule, and they intend to have a product in there providing this interface. It won't be this one. This is a step along the way.
A great movie directed by Mamoru Oshii and written by Kazunori It+ì, Avalon gets into this sort of total immersion gaming quite well. This is one of my all time favorite flicks, and if you get a chance to see it...DO. You should be suitably impressed.
"Who called for the reset?"
There just isn't anything that can be said!
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2015.12.11 11:53:47 -
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If Valkyrie will work without a VR headset, I'll pay attention. I'm still running on 4:3 screens.
A signature :o
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
488
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:27:33 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:If Valkyrie will work without a VR headset, I'll pay attention. I'm still running on 4:3 screens.
Nah, it's built for VR. A non-VR version is unlikely.
PCU discussion Marsha's post,
SP discussion Sibyyl's post
opinions = onions*pi
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
474
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Posted - 2015.12.11 15:41:43 -
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Chribba wrote: even if I get a bit motion sick myself (probably bc I haven't mastered the settings yet). /c Ginger capsules can be a big help in avoiding motion sickness.
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Starrakatt
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps
FETID
350
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Posted - 2015.12.11 15:47:38 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:The future of gaming is the holodeck - or as close as they can get to it. And, believe me, there are folks out there trying. Not to see if it can or will be done, but to be involved in it when it comes to be. Valkyrie is a substantial step in this direction. (As such, it has already put CCP in yet another chapter of computer gaming history.) I often tell people to do EVE's trial just to be part of the history that is computer gaming. I tell them, "You may not want to subscribe, but you owe it to yourself to take a look at it, if only to say you've seen it." Valkyrie looks like the same thing in that sense, and in that sense if you have the fundage to be a part of this early development, you do owe it to yourself in that regard - to be a part of history however small. If you're one of these people who consider themselves self-proclaimed gaming experts who play games just to make proclamations from on high about their sucktitude or lack thereof, you're probably not the sort of person who should be involved in a seminal activity. There's bound to be something to criticize, however minute, and we wouldn't want anyone to be unduly upset now, would we? The problem with absolute immersion will always pivot on the interface. Oculus is certainly not the final word in this. The group that developed it will be the first to tell you, twenty years from now there will be this type of interface gaming world-wide as the rule, and they intend to have a product in there providing this interface. It won't be this one. This is a step along the way. A great movie directed by Mamoru Oshii and written by Kazunori It+ì, Avalon gets into this sort of total immersion gaming quite well. This is one of my all time favorite flicks, and if you get a chance to see it...DO. You should be suitably impressed. "Who called for the reset?"
Just made me make one more step forward getting the thing, ty for making me remember that movie. (heading out to watch it again) 
Sneaky bastard.
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Budrick3
Quantum Wolves
179
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Posted - 2015.12.11 16:08:34 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:The future of gaming is the holodeck - or as close as they can get to it. And, believe me, there are folks out there trying. Not to see if it can or will be done, but to be involved in it when it comes to be. Valkyrie is a substantial step in this direction. (As such, it has already put CCP in yet another chapter of computer gaming history.) I often tell people to do EVE's trial just to be part of the history that is computer gaming. I tell them, "You may not want to subscribe, but you owe it to yourself to take a look at it, if only to say you've seen it." Valkyrie looks like the same thing in that sense, and in that sense if you have the fundage to be a part of this early development, you do owe it to yourself in that regard - to be a part of history however small. If you're one of these people who consider themselves self-proclaimed gaming experts who play games just to make proclamations from on high about their sucktitude or lack thereof, you're probably not the sort of person who should be involved in a seminal activity. There's bound to be something to criticize, however minute, and we wouldn't want anyone to be unduly upset now, would we? The problem with absolute immersion will always pivot on the interface. Oculus is certainly not the final word in this. The group that developed it will be the first to tell you, twenty years from now there will be this type of interface gaming world-wide as the rule, and they intend to have a product in there providing this interface. It won't be this one. This is a step along the way. A great movie directed by Mamoru Oshii and written by Kazunori It+ì, Avalon gets into this sort of total immersion gaming quite well. This is one of my all time favorite flicks, and if you get a chance to see it...DO. You should be suitably impressed. "Who called for the reset?"
Well written. Though I agree with the majority of what you said, my concern still rests with CCP's behavior after launch. If DUST is any indication of their attitude post launch, then I will suffice to say it will be another let down.
Considering the game is going to be bundled with the VR pre-order, I am concerned with CCP's faith in their own product. I hope I am wrong in saying this, but it feels like launch is going to be a one hit wonder, and they took the offer from Oculus as a bit of insurance to make sure they get back the money that they at least invested in it. From there it is more than likely going to be Marcro transactions out the butt considering the prices that CCP wants for their skins, and it will slowely kill itself due to lack of updates similar to Dust and no new content or context in relation to the Eve Universe. Basically it will be something neat for 6 months, and then everyone will forget about it. |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1003
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Posted - 2015.12.11 16:15:00 -
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If it is arena pvp i will not buy it if it is much much more probably I will buy it.
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If it come dirt cheap on steam will buy it regardless just because library. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9666
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Posted - 2015.12.11 16:21:34 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
I am not defending anything ...
... and thanks for exposing your ****** attitude early enough.
You may have the last word, I'm sure you need it.
You seem a bit aggrieved
Take your ellipses and relax
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Max Muni
Muni Corp
1
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Posted - 2015.12.11 16:25:04 -
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It seems like a very short lived game play, unless they have an ecosystem that goes along with it. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6950
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Posted - 2015.12.11 18:01:22 -
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The biggest problem for me is the rift itself. I'm not paying facebook for anything, ever. So unless it come out on the Vive I won't be getting it for the PC. If it comes out on the morpheus it all depends on how much other use I'd get out of a morpheus.
That said I haven't really paid enough attention to Valkyrie to know if it's worth it. Like is there progression or anything like that? It's not an MMO in itself I don't believe. What makes it better than something like Elite? I've played the demo at fanfest, but I'll definitely be waiting until other people have played the full release and confirmed it's not terrible anyway.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
1128
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Posted - 2015.12.11 18:28:09 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:The biggest problem for me is the rift itself. I'm not paying facebook for anything, ever. So unless it come out on the Vive I won't be getting it for the PC. If it comes out on the morpheus it all depends on how much other use I'd get out of a morpheus.
That said I haven't really paid enough attention to Valkyrie to know if it's worth it. Like is there progression or anything like that? It's not an MMO in itself I don't believe. What makes it better than something like Elite? I've played the demo at fanfest, but I'll definitely be waiting until other people have played the full release and confirmed it's not terrible anyway.
I vaguely remember that Valkyrie is an Oculus exclusive, but I could be wrong as I do not want to bother researching at the moment.
Anyways, the whole anti-Facebook thing is dumb as the device will have no relation required to Facebook.
Also I bet you are angry at FB for requiring real info without ever trying a believable fake name and posting information not actually valid.
I might be biased as my Facebook stock is up 40%.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2015.12.11 19:13:05 -
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I tried a VR game before, and it was a pool game or some other game with a 3D visor that was over my eyes with 3D effects in the lens. This was in the 1990s.
I also tried holographic games where the display was not mounted on the head but on which you could put your hand through the image and it would still work.
This could be used for other control activation (the hand location), but in that game it wasn't used for controls.
This was around the late 1980s, early 1990s.
I can link the holographic game system, but I don't think I would find a link to the first VR set game.
Computer systems were not half as good as they are now, even if that may be exponentially true. |
DaReaper
Net 7
2686
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Posted - 2015.12.11 23:27:43 -
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1) to the vaporware argument: WoD was just not gonna work how ccp wante dit to, this happens. Dust is profitable. Gunjack is out and is rather fun to play, though simple. EVE is profitable. Legion is.. well we dunno.
so that means 2 profitable games, 1 selling well, 1 vaporware, 1 we dunno. Thats a rather good track recored
2) Valk is Vr only, said many times, and rift exclusive. However, as this is the damn pc, i'm sure someone will find a way to play vlak on any head set you want.
3) the 'if ccps support of there other games is any indication" comment... they supported eve for years, and years. The decided, wisely, to convert Dust, which at the time wa snot profitable, to the pc, but have sense stalled. Id rather a game company learn form mistakes and correct them, then plow on ahead blindly.
I will be buying a rift day 1, cause i'm loving my gearVR
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6953
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Posted - 2015.12.13 09:59:51 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Anyways, the whole anti-Facebook thing is dumb as the device will have no relation required to Facebook. It's not dumb, I simply don't trust facebook as a company, certainly not enough to shell out that kind of cash, and especially when a company I do trust is releasing a competing product. Valkyrie certainly doesn't grab my interest enough to ignore that and invest in an oculus.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
462
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Posted - 2015.12.13 10:56:38 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:The future of gaming is the holodeck
No!
No holodeck needed for Chess or UNO.
Boardgames still exist.
On the other hand: Hearthstone is a card game...
Hmmm,
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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Josef Djugashvilis
3095
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Posted - 2015.12.13 13:00:36 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Only that Dust is actually profitable...
I am very impressed that CCP make a profit from both of the DUST players.
This is not a signature.
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