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lilol' me
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
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Posted - 2015.12.10 18:46:34 -
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So i see this
http://evenews24.com/2015/12/09/scandal-as-evil-at-work-fail-to-honour-rumble-charity-pledges/
Surprised its not being talked about. But the level of scamming this game attracts is just beyond funny anymore.
Scamming in eve is the cancer thats slowly killing this game and yet CCP embraces it.
Scams like this is lower than low, this is just plain theft, nothing more. recently we even had the api scams. I dont get what goes through peoples mind to go to such lengths to steal in game currency. These scams, including, the double isk scams are blatant stealing there is no scamming its just out and out theft. We have also had people terrorise people purely to gain some in game isk. This is what CCP have promoted has part of the game. Sorry but its wrong.
Elaborate corp thefts even though im not purely ok with it, is something different, as really they already have access to the goods anyway, or part of the leaderships. I still dont think its right that one person can easily steal everyones isk, or goods or months of hard work just like that.
Scamming has actually gone far beyond double isk scams and the whole scamming just needs to be stopped, its not cool or funny and im actually after playing for many years thinking do i actually want to be a part of a community and pay money to an organisation that open allows this type of misery to be put on people. Im not sure i do anymore.
for those that will surely troll then its just make you as bad as the people im talking about, and i have no time to listen. For ccp that will no doubt close the thread with some excuse like ranting or whatever, it only shows you clearly feel guilty.
I have said my piece as it needs to be addressed, and a petition does absolutely nothing. I now need to wrestle with my conscience and either unsub or not
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:01:00 -
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If people playing within the rules of the game is not ok with you then yes, you should unsub.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:10:26 -
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most scams rely on one thing.....That the "victim" thinks they are somehow screwing over the other guy.
They think they will get an item unbelievably cheap because, well, the other guy is too stupid to know the real price.
Doubling ISK......again, people think they are going to get something for free, and greed kicks in.
Many people have had that moment where they think they are getting the deal of the century, only to find they need to train reading skills to L1.
Fluffy Bunny Pic!
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Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:13:31 -
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I think the mistake is to assume that the human species is in anyway moral at its core or that its morality increases as we advance in other ways.
It is also na+»ve to expect that someone should honor their promises without the enforcement of law when so many do not in the presence of the enforcement of law.
Player behavior in Eve is simply a reflection of what is in our societies that so often goes unseen by those with their heads above the clouds.
There is a huge difference between what is and what should be.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:16:51 -
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Here is the CZ article that was updated to include the other side after the initial article was similar to the EN24 one:
http://crossingzebras.com/eoc-tv-crumble/
Not as clear cut in terms of concluding it was a scam. More just mistakes/incompetence/over confidence it would seem.
As for scamming - It's absolutely impossible to do without a willing volunteer.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Hal Morsh
Hmmzor.
Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:38:20 -
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Rhivre wrote:most scams rely on one thing.....That the "victim" thinks they are somehow screwing over the other guy.
They think they will get an item unbelievably cheap because, well, the other guy is too stupid to know the real price.
Doubling ISK......again, people think they are going to get something for free, and greed kicks in.
Many people have had that moment where they think they are getting the deal of the century, only to find they need to train reading skills to L1.
Heh.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:41:24 -
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It's much like back when the U.S. had free speech and people would proudly state that while they disagree with what you say, they would defend your right to say it. In EVE I hate the lowlife scum that prey on noobs for pleasure and profit, but I fully support their right to do it.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:43:09 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:It's much like back when the U.S. had free speech and people would proudly state that while they disagree with what you say, they would defend your right to say it. In EVE I hate the lowlife scum that prey on noobs for pleasure and profit, but I fully support their right to do it. Mr Epeen
Heh,
So true. |
Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:53:29 -
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Wow. Reading that article you would think those people actually stole real money from real charities like the Children's Hospital or Salvation Army or something.
The fact that people on both sides (the "benevolent philanthropists" and the "malevolent scammers") put this much time, consideration, planning and thought into a game (yes, that's right we are talking about a game here) is beyond my comprehension.
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:21:57 -
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If youd like to know if something is a scam or not, I run a service for that!
For just 500mil, I will investigate any potential 'scam' whether it be a Jita local comment that seems to good to be true, or that contact for PLEX that you just cant pass up! Why take the chance when I can take that chance for you!
Also remember, Dont get scammed on those big money items! When it comes to all your Third Party Service / Escrow needs, I have got you handled. Triple AAA+++ rated and universally trusted, Im sure any and all of my satisfied customers would gladly give glowing recommendations!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:35:30 -
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AUE's mediation service saved my marriage, cured polio and is 200% not a scam !
At first a was hesitant about his bold claims but then I thought " I can use his investigation service to find out if he's legit !".
I was completely relieved when his investigation confirmed that he in fact was legit!
Definitely recommend.
Better the Devil you know.
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:39:26 -
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Star Citizen is a scam.
Tricking idiots into giving you ridiculous amounts of money is capitalism at it's finest... and perfectly legal in EVE. |
lilol' me
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
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Posted - 2015.12.10 21:22:21 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:It's much like back when the U.S. had free speech and people would proudly state that while they disagree with what you say, they would defend your right to say it. In EVE I hate the lowlife scum that prey on noobs for pleasure and profit, but I fully support their right to do it. Mr Epeen
sorry what RIGHT? i |
lilol' me
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
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Posted - 2015.12.10 21:24:15 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:Star Citizen is a scam.
Tricking idiots into giving you ridiculous amounts of money is capitalism at it's finest... and perfectly legal in EVE.
youre missing my point entirely. being perfectly legal in eve doesnt make it right |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.12.10 21:28:30 -
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lilol' me wrote:being perfectly legal in eve doesnt make it right Says who? This is a game, it has rules. There is no right or wrong besides "is it against the rules? yes or no".
If you can't separate a game from reality that is your own problem. Not anyone else's.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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ISD Fractal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.12.10 21:42:49 -
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Quote:17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
I am closing this thread because in the words of CCP Falcon, "this has been discussed to death and back".
CCP Falcon wrote:In the end, scam, AWOX and betray eachother as much as you like. Steal from eachother as much as you like. Gank, pod and sabotage eachother as much as you like. These are the stories that drive gameplay in EVE, and we are not looking to re-define the sandbox. We do however need to make it clear that in the, end every sandbox has edges just the same as EVE has limits, and those limits are built on a basic level of empathy, understanding and humaine behavior.
ISD Fractal
Ensign
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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