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Tredeski Armati
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Posted - 2007.01.14 18:06:00 -
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A "United Nations" like organization in the making, to bring the diplomats of the different alliances, and corps together in an effort to create alliances, trade, relationships, and support for those in the realm of EVE. To help with security issues, negotiations of conflicts, and all other issues that may effect the world of EVE.
We ask that only the diplomats or the chosen representatives of each corperation, or alliance enter this channel. Together, after we have enough members in, we will decide on how it should be ran.
If you think this is a good idea, or a bad idea, please post your educated opinions.
Channel: =UGA=
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Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2007.01.14 19:07:00 -
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Eve thrives on warfare. If you want to create a body that will truly serve the interests of the major alliances, you'll make one that helps them to shoot each other...
On a more practical note, you'll have to work a lot harder to get anyone to even notice you let alone take you seriously or (hah) actually participate.
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Enders Vaal
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.14 19:12:00 -
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Indeed, as of right now all you have is a channel and a post. This is how most things start, for sure, but to get this thing rolling you really need to push the advertising (specifically to the major alliances) more and offer some incentive beyond a round table of dicussion.
As of right now, alliance CEOs can hook up with any other CEO instantly, so this whole discussion channel (where OTHER CEO's could essentially listen in on conversations between other CEO's) is a mute point
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Rennard
Janissaries
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Posted - 2007.01.14 19:20:00 -
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You dont understand this game. There will never be a stability in the galaxy. Because without pvp people get bored and play another game or turn each other. Just like sometime ago BOB set everyone to neutral again because they were outta targets/too much friends. But the thing is (as some of you concern) if all galaxy becomes BOB their corps will turn each other or they will reset all PET corps to neutral to be able to shoot something.
EvE is about PvP, ideas like united nations, happy peaceful land etc. will never never happen.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.01.14 19:21:00 -
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I think its a good idea for the world, but not for a game about conflicts.
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Karjala Inc.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.14 19:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Rennard
You dont understand this game. There will never be a stability in the galaxy. Because without pvp people get bored and play another game or turn each other. Just like sometime ago BOB set everyone to neutral again because they were outta targets/too much friends. But the thing is (as some of you concern) if all galaxy becomes BOB their corps will turn each other or they will reset all PET corps to neutral to be able to shoot something.
Little known fact is that BoB actually currently has more NAPs than D2
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Adoro
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.14 19:24:00 -
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Could be funny though, no one shooting eachother. 0.0 invested with people ratting and everyone gets 500bil in the wallet.
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.14 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
I think its a good idea for the world, but not for a game about conflicts.
True.
However. This is an interesting angle of play.
In a world with so many trigger-happy individuals hell-bent on destruction, trying to build an island of peace and prosperity is noteworthy endeavor made near-impossible by the current attitude of the majority of players.
The greater a handicap you have to overcome, the greater the achievement.
Originally by: Diana Marc
Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
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Kim Chee
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.14 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tredeski Armati
A "United Nations" like organization in the making, to bring the diplomats of the different alliances, and corps together in an effort to create alliances, trade, relationships, and support for those in the realm of EVE. To help with security issues, negotiations of conflicts, and all other issues that may effect the world of EVE.
We ask that only the diplomats or the chosen representatives of each corperation, or alliance enter this channel. Together, after we have enough members in, we will decide on how it should be ran.
If you think this is a good idea, or a bad idea, please post your educated opinions.
Channel: =UGA=
Much like the real United Nations, unless you have a very strong military arm AND a very strong market presence, you'll end up without the ability to enforce ANY of the things you promise to your members.
In short, you need a strong enough military to blockade systems in 0.0 space, to stand up to all but the largest alliances out there, and enough of a market presence to be able to offer incentives for cooperation.
Good luck!
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Kim Chee
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.14 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tredeski Armati
A "United Nations" like organization in the making, to bring the diplomats of the different alliances, and corps together in an effort to create alliances, trade, relationships, and support for those in the realm of EVE. To help with security issues, negotiations of conflicts, and all other issues that may effect the world of EVE.
We ask that only the diplomats or the chosen representatives of each corperation, or alliance enter this channel. Together, after we have enough members in, we will decide on how it should be ran.
If you think this is a good idea, or a bad idea, please post your educated opinions.
Channel: =UGA=
Much like the real United Nations, unless you have a very strong military arm AND a very strong market presence, you'll end up without the ability to enforce ANY of the things you promise to your members.
In short, you need a strong enough military to blockade systems in 0.0 space, to stand up to all but the largest alliances out there, and enough of a market presence to be able to offer incentives for cooperation.
Good luck!
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Samuel Freedom
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Posted - 2007.01.14 19:54:00 -
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I think its a great idea ! It will probably create more war in the guise of 'peace keeping'. I say go ahead you are bound to get dragged into alot of wars though, if thats what you want, This will be gd for PvP aspect imo. where do i sign up ?
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2007.01.14 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Chee
Originally by: Tredeski Armati
A "United Nations" like organization in the making, to bring the diplomats of the different alliances, and corps together in an effort to create alliances, trade, relationships, and support for those in the realm of EVE. To help with security issues, negotiations of conflicts, and all other issues that may effect the world of EVE.
We ask that only the diplomats or the chosen representatives of each corperation, or alliance enter this channel. Together, after we have enough members in, we will decide on how it should be ran.
If you think this is a good idea, or a bad idea, please post your educated opinions.
Channel: =UGA=
Much like the real United Nations, unless you have a very strong military arm AND a very strong market presence, you'll end up without the ability to enforce ANY of the things you promise to your members.
In short, you need a strong enough military to blockade systems in 0.0 space, to stand up to all but the largest alliances out there, and enough of a market presence to be able to offer incentives for cooperation.
Good luck!
Or you could just send food as aid to ASCN refugee camps...
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.14 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
Or you could just send food as aid to ASCN refugee camps...
You sir win the forums today! Now go congratulate yourself with some good sex! 
Originally by: Diana Marc
Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
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Novect
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Posted - 2007.01.14 20:31:00 -
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Thats really the plan behind the insanity... It will cause more wars, but there will be reason for those wars, and it will give more people something to do, and look forward to. If you have say, 3 or 4 alliances wanting the same space, and say someone like a major alliance owns it,....... get the idea? Also. If enough alliances join in and take a hold, and a office in this,... it will become powerful, and there will be more content to the game it-self. Just like a person above said.. "It will never work", same with the real world... it's not working now, and never will. It's just cause for more conflict on a larger scale.
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Juwi Kotch
Gallente
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.14 20:52:00 -
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If I remember that correctly, with one of the next steps of the expansion there will be some Alliance Grouping introduced.
Juwi Kotch
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EVILSATAN
Gallente
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.14 21:31:00 -
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I think someone has just swapped across from WoW.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.14 22:08:00 -
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Unfortunately, thats not how this kind of things starts. You'd need a good solid membership (eg, at least 2 big alliances) just to have a start, for other things to join.
The only kind of times these things happen (Southern Coalition, Northern Coalition, whatever other allies have gotten together over the years) start by a couple of alliances getting talking, and inviting a third to the table. Voila, one organisation. Suddenly, the ball is rolling for it to pick up.
Nice thought though 
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.14 22:08:00 -
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Unfortunately, thats not how this kind of things starts. You'd need a good solid membership (eg, at least 2 big alliances) just to have a start, for other things to join.
The only kind of times these things happen (Southern Coalition, Northern Coalition, whatever other allies have gotten together over the years) start by a couple of alliances getting talking, and inviting a third to the table. Voila, one organisation. Suddenly, the ball is rolling for it to pick up.
Nice thought though
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Kehmor
Caldari
PAK
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.14 23:12:00 -
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PAK would be happy to aid. We require 4 billion isk for administrative fees but after that...
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.01.14 23:16:00 -
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How about you invest in forming a group of agent provocateurs? Infiltrate major alliances and create incidents to start wars...
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.01.14 23:42:00 -
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A united body of nations, alliances in this case, working together will only end up working for their own interest.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2007.01.15 14:16:00 -
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Are you people nuts or what? You want to bring bluehats into Eve? For what purpose? Just make an alliance, merge them, combine them, but dont try to copy bluehats...
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Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2007.01.15 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Novect
Thats really the plan behind the insanity... It will cause more wars, but there will be reason for those wars, and it will give more people something to do, and look forward to. If you have say, 3 or 4 alliances wanting the same space, and say someone like a major alliance owns it,....... get the idea? Also. If enough alliances join in and take a hold, and a office in this,... it will become powerful, and there will be more content to the game it-self. Just like a person above said.. "It will never work", same with the real world... it's not working now, and never will. It's just cause for more conflict on a larger scale.
Again, missing the point somewhat. It's not just that it wouldn't work. It's that there's no reason for anyone to be involved. IRL there's at least a passing need for an international body like the UN, because governments crave legitimacy and a lot of the major powers agree on a lot of stuff and actually care about what other countries do to their own people etc.
In Eve it's simply not needed. Diplomatic contacts are already in place everywhere they need to be, nobody's bothered about peace particularly, legitimacy is only relevant to forumites, and the big powers want to kill each other and don't give a fig about how smaller alliances treat their members or whatever. The only people it would really benefit are small alliances, but it'd only really work in the way you describe if the bigger alliances got on board. Doing so is actively against their interests, so it won't happen.
Something that might work, on the other hand, is a unitary body for all the smaller corps and alliances which currently get pretty much crushed or ignored, but making that work will require one or more trusted figures to make a concerted and organised attempt to unite them, through diplomacy and lots of hard work. This isn't it.
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Virtuozzo
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.15 15:24:00 -
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Any government body is great, especially in the light of a multitude of alliances in EVE, for the simple reason of furthering new and extremely bloody revolutions :-) There could be something in this :-)
Virtuozzo
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