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Daemun Khanid
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Posted - 2015.12.13 03:58:50 -
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Without digging through hundreds of posts about these 2 new ships, is it indeed intended that the logi frigs cannot enter small plexes but the command dessi's can?
Oh, and forcing t3's dessi's into med and larger plexes is crap. A properly fit frigate can kill most t3's. Just seems like an example of much tears and whining getting people what they want.
Daemun of Khanid
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden
Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.13 08:03:47 -
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First question, yes it is intended.
Secondly, t3's overpowered the majority of the frigates they ran into. The nerf was needed. |
Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2015.12.13 08:30:38 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:Without digging through hundreds of posts about these 2 new ships, is it indeed intended that the logi frigs cannot enter small plexes but the command dessi's can?
Oh, and forcing t3's dessi's into med and larger plexes is crap. A properly fit frigate can kill most t3's. Just seems like an example of much tears and whining getting people what they want.
I would assume the logi frigs bit is unintentional and someone forgot to update the gate restrictions with the new ship types and all.
and "proper" frigs killing t3ds? might need some evidence on that one.
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Mysa
Alekhine's Gun
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Posted - 2015.12.13 08:42:06 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:Without digging through hundreds of posts about these 2 new ships, is it indeed intended that the logi frigs cannot enter small plexes but the command dessi's can?
Oh, and forcing t3's dessi's into med and larger plexes is crap. A properly fit frigate can kill most t3's. Just seems like an example of much tears and whining getting people what they want.
May you dropp that bomb of a frigate fitt so we can clear the cancer of eve atm? pritty please?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
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Posted - 2015.12.13 09:16:15 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:First question, yes it is intended.
Do you have a reference for that?
Seems a rather strange restriction and I can't find anything from CCP on it in the official T2 logi thread.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.12.13 09:22:58 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:A properly fit frigate can kill most t3's.
Show us on your killboard where you did that.
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
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Posted - 2015.12.13 14:39:26 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Daemun Khanid wrote:Without digging through hundreds of posts about these 2 new ships, is it indeed intended that the logi frigs cannot enter small plexes but the command dessi's can?
Oh, and forcing t3's dessi's into med and larger plexes is crap. A properly fit frigate can kill most t3's. Just seems like an example of much tears and whining getting people what they want. I would assume the logi frigs bit is unintentional and someone forgot to update the gate restrictions with the new ship types and all. and "proper" frigs killing t3ds? might need some evidence on that one.
They can enter medium plexes, so they at least thought to add it to that. There's a chance it was intended, but doesn't make much sense.
tech 1 logi in small plexes get butchered really fast because destroyers rampage right through them. With these, logi might actually matter.
As is they are pretty worthless in FW space because the only acceleration gate they can pass through is the medium, and cruiser logi > frigate logi.
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Daemun Khanid
Black Dragon CGLM
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Posted - 2015.12.13 19:36:24 -
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Mysa wrote:Daemun Khanid wrote:Without digging through hundreds of posts about these 2 new ships, is it indeed intended that the logi frigs cannot enter small plexes but the command dessi's can?
Oh, and forcing t3's dessi's into med and larger plexes is crap. A properly fit frigate can kill most t3's. Just seems like an example of much tears and whining getting people what they want. May you dropp that bomb of a frigate fitt so we can clear the cancer of eve atm? pritty please?
Pretty much anything with a long point, mwd and td's. Have at it. I've driven multiple off field using just a condor, my failure letting them overheat prop and get out of point range. When you drive a t3 dessi off field with a 1k ehp t1 frigate it's just as satisfying as watching them go boom. It's still a victory regardless of what shows up on a kb.
As for t3's dominating (most) frigates... it's a destroyer, that's what it's supposed to do. If multiple frigates can't put together a group capable of dealing with a dessi that's just bad fits/pilots. The only exception being the occassional linked 10mn svipul, they are indeed a cancer simply because it takes so many webs just to keep them from being able to escape. But that's something that should be done about oversized prop mods. The solution to op fits shouldn't be to neuter the entire class, it's should be addressing the fits.
The side comment about t3's aside, I'm just wondering based on what I've seen of command dessi fits how on earth they can be allowed in a small yet a confessor cant, and are the t2 logi frigs REALLY so powerful that they bring more to a fight in a small plex than a command dessi? I haven't done any eft on them yet but it seems pretty unlikely.
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Mysa
Alekhine's Gun
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Posted - 2015.12.13 20:10:08 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:Mysa wrote:Daemun Khanid wrote:Without digging through hundreds of posts about these 2 new ships, is it indeed intended that the logi frigs cannot enter small plexes but the command dessi's can?
Oh, and forcing t3's dessi's into med and larger plexes is crap. A properly fit frigate can kill most t3's. Just seems like an example of much tears and whining getting people what they want. May you dropp that bomb of a frigate fitt so we can clear the cancer of eve atm? pritty please? Pretty much anything with a long point, mwd and td's. Have at it. I've driven multiple off field using just a condor, my failure letting them overheat prop and get out of point range. When you drive a t3 dessi off field with a 1k ehp t1 frigate it's just as satisfying as watching them go boom. It's still a victory regardless of what shows up on a kb. As for t3's dominating (most) frigates... it's a destroyer, that's what it's supposed to do. If multiple frigates can't put together a group capable of dealing with a dessi that's just bad fits/pilots. The only exception being the occassional linked 10mn svipul, they are indeed a cancer simply because it takes so many webs just to keep them from being able to escape. But that's something that should be done about oversized prop mods. The solution to op fits shouldn't be to neuter the entire class, it's should be addressing the fits. The side comment about t3's aside, I'm just wondering based on what I've seen of command dessi fits how on earth they can be allowed in a small yet a confessor cant, and are the t2 logi frigs REALLY so powerful that they bring more to a fight in a small plex than a command dessi? I haven't done any eft on them yet but it seems pretty unlikely.
Deacon gets 1k reps off every 1.9sec linked and heated ofc but thats standard these Days. And every fight is situational. That condor wont do anything to a repping t3d. Svinpul whit ac's will get hurt, not by a solo condor but by some friends
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Daemun Khanid
Black Dragon CGLM
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Posted - 2015.12.13 21:11:16 -
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Mysa wrote:Daemun Khanid wrote:Mysa wrote:Daemun Khanid wrote:Without digging through hundreds of posts about these 2 new ships, is it indeed intended that the logi frigs cannot enter small plexes but the command dessi's can?
Oh, and forcing t3's dessi's into med and larger plexes is crap. A properly fit frigate can kill most t3's. Just seems like an example of much tears and whining getting people what they want. May you dropp that bomb of a frigate fitt so we can clear the cancer of eve atm? pritty please? Pretty much anything with a long point, mwd and td's. Have at it. I've driven multiple off field using just a condor, my failure letting them overheat prop and get out of point range. When you drive a t3 dessi off field with a 1k ehp t1 frigate it's just as satisfying as watching them go boom. It's still a victory regardless of what shows up on a kb. As for t3's dominating (most) frigates... it's a destroyer, that's what it's supposed to do. If multiple frigates can't put together a group capable of dealing with a dessi that's just bad fits/pilots. The only exception being the occassional linked 10mn svipul, they are indeed a cancer simply because it takes so many webs just to keep them from being able to escape. But that's something that should be done about oversized prop mods. The solution to op fits shouldn't be to neuter the entire class, it's should be addressing the fits. The side comment about t3's aside, I'm just wondering based on what I've seen of command dessi fits how on earth they can be allowed in a small yet a confessor cant, and are the t2 logi frigs REALLY so powerful that they bring more to a fight in a small plex than a command dessi? I haven't done any eft on them yet but it seems pretty unlikely. Deacon gets 1k reps off every 1.9sec linked and heated ofc but thats standard these Days. And every fight is situational. That condor wont do anything to a repping t3d. Svinpul whit ac's will get hurt, not by a solo condor but by some friends
Ofc there are fit's that won't be worried but said fits will also be vulnerable to other tactics. Point is, they are counter-able by t1's ships with only a marginal amount of intel. I typically fly 2 condors or kestrels dual boxed, both with TD's. With multiple td's applied even artillery fits can quickly find themselves in trouble. Particularly since the svipul does'nt get a range bonus in sniper mode. I once killed one in a worm by accident, my only hope was to keep him pinned down till the rest of the gang could arrive, instead he was dead by the time they slid in. There are some issue's with specific fits as mentioned but as a class I disagree with the notion that they are op. But anyway that topic is better suited for a different forum subsection.
I'm really just curious about the logi frigs and command dessi's and whether or not there was some level of discussion I may have missed concerning their capabilities and thereby plex restrictions. If the deacon can send out 1k ehp every 2 seconds that is pretty impressive I suppose. A group of them chaining each other in a small plex could be a real pain but I'm curious what a similarly sized group of RR Command dessi's could do and if it's comparable. I know RR dragoons are quite capable so I assume the command dessi's with their higher resists and potentially their own links could be pretty impressive even w/o a rep bonus.
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School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2015.12.15 01:55:56 -
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Please add tactical overview layout for Micro Jump Field Generator. |
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