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Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.13 10:48:08 -
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As title says, Mastodon T2 BPO is up for an auction. BPO is maxed out ME10 PE 20. Screen: Mastodon T2 BPO Not showing correct numbers for some reason - manufacturing requirements in POS array are 12% lower (likely 10% ME + 2% array) and manufacturing time is just below 24h
Auction ends: 13.1.2016 11:00 EVE time (30 days from now)
Starting bid: 60b
Reserve: Hidden
Buyout: Make me an offer
Profit calculations:
-36 single run copies when copying in POS per month
-roughly 110M ISK worth of materials and taxes needed to build 1 hull in POS (when you build components as well)
-long term average Jita sell price around 145M ISK
-monthly profit around 1.26 b ISK
-expect lower profit when buying components off market (do your own calculations)
Lowball offers will be treated as free bumps. |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.14 21:17:29 -
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Get your hands on a piece of EVEs history! (That can actually make you a PLEX per month)  |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1086
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Posted - 2015.12.15 10:06:41 -
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putting T2 BPO into POS. rriiiiiggght. nice profit calculation there |
Hulluus
Kuolettava Hulluus
2
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Posted - 2015.12.15 12:37:42 -
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250m if you post the planet/moon of the POS where you have this BPO stored. |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.15 16:05:43 -
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I would like to remind you that to attack high sec POS, you need to wardec the corp first. And defender has got full 24 hours to press one button, cancel the job (you got BPO back and loose mats - with copying job the mats are almost free) and put that BPO anywhere else...station for example. Not a big deal really.
Ps. GL fighting high sec deathstar  |
Capsuleer Service Executive
Estel Arador Corp Services
11
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Posted - 2015.12.15 17:06:59 -
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The "I don't own a T2 BPO, so I'll troll this guy" hatred is strong in this thread.
/cse
EACSGäó - Estel Arador Capsuleer & Corp Services - Spreading the Love
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Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.15 20:15:17 -
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I dont really care what do you do with that BPO - you can keep it in your hangar, copy in POS or just haul around Jita in your rifter, whatever. Point is I am the one selling it and you can buy it ! Do your own profit calculations if you want to, but this is a piece of EVEs history that actually generates pretty nice profit, so place your bids! & daily bump |
Dave PSI
Haendlergilde
Gilde Alliance
11
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Posted - 2015.12.16 00:21:16 -
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i offer 30 bil.
plz make a contract if you accept my offer.
Thx David |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1086
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Posted - 2015.12.16 11:59:00 -
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Zakarumit CZ wrote:I would like to remind you that to attack high sec POS, you need to wardec the corp first. And defender has got full 24 hours to press one button, cancel the job (you got BPO back and loose mats - with copying job the mats are almost free) and put that BPO anywhere else...station for example. Not a big deal really. Ps. GL fighting high sec deathstar
if you want to be that guy, babysitting your BPO daily with no day off for party, holidays, work, girlfriend, friends, school, being sick or whatever you do besides eve - yeah, probably you can have that profit.
I just wanted to say, that no sane person who has still left a little bit of life, would put T2 BPO into a POS, which makes such profit calculation a joke. |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.16 15:18:28 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Zakarumit CZ wrote:I would like to remind you that to attack high sec POS, you need to wardec the corp first. And defender has got full 24 hours to press one button, cancel the job (you got BPO back and loose mats - with copying job the mats are almost free) and put that BPO anywhere else...station for example. Not a big deal really. Ps. GL fighting high sec deathstar if you want to be that guy, babysitting your BPO daily with no day off for party, holidays, work, girlfriend, friends, school, being sick or whatever you do besides eve - yeah, probably you can have that profit. I just wanted to say, that no sane person who has still left a little bit of life, would put T2 BPO into a POS, which makes such profit calculation kind of joke.
....since EVE Gate introduction, you can actually check your ingame mails throught webpage, which means you can do that over your cell phone, tablet or whatever you have got that can access internet. We all know pretty much anything with display can do that these days. It takes literally few seconds to check for wardec. You can for sure have several girlfriends, party from dusk till dawn and still check for wardec. I actually think there might be even an API that can check for wardecs these days for you, meaning with proper script you might receive wardec confirmation to your RL mail, cell phone, whatever - if you really need it. But hey, if you really cant afford to check at least EVE mail once a day, you should perhaps try something else. Putting BPO inside high sec POS is 100% secure if you can keep an eye out for wardecs. It is really far more dangerous to haul materials to/from Jita.
Also, 30b is too low for me. I wont sell it that cheap. Thanks for bump tho |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1086
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Posted - 2015.12.16 17:13:59 -
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the question is not if you can, but rather if you want to have this kind of duty day for day, every day - and the risk to get it blownp up in the one day you missed to watch your sh1t - AND then loosing 3b worth of minerals on aborted job just because someone was funny to pay 50m for a wardec. If I knew there is a BPO in POS I would even WC you every week for teh lulz.. |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.16 18:22:01 -
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Theres no reason to manufacture the BPO in POS. Copying is faster than manufacturing = its better to copy and manufacture from copies. And when copying, cancelling the copy job means you lose handful of data sheets and few PI parts. You wont loose any minerals or components this way, at worst you waste some copy time. meh
You sir seem to not understand how r&d and manufacturing works these days at all.
Also you can for sure make profit from the BPO even in NPC station and sell the copies, no manufacturing involved at all and you just send the job in once per month. But thats not how you make profit. There are no free ISK in EVE. You need to think a bit and spend some time. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1086
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Posted - 2015.12.16 21:52:45 -
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ok I updated my previous post. |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.17 19:44:20 -
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I am glad we agreed that putting BPO in high sec POS is not a big risk at all for people that log in on regular basis. For people doing a lot of r&d and manufacturing daily logons are pretty much nessesary anyway to deliver jobs and send new ones.
...still looking for decent offers ! |
Hemmo Paskiainen
515
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Posted - 2015.12.17 22:32:48 -
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The roi of 3,9 years seems on par with what it always used to be. But, the plex prices are still on a rise 
"Relativity equals time plus momentum: if it can be erased by a single click on a button, would it be worth spending your time?"
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1088
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Posted - 2015.12.18 08:52:30 -
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Zakarumit CZ wrote:I am glad we agreed that putting BPO in high sec POS is not a big risk at all for people that log in on regular basis. For people doing a lot of r&d and manufacturing daily logons are pretty much nessesary anyway to deliver jobs and send new ones.
...still looking for decent offers !
no, we didn't agree.
Furthermore, we arent speaking about "regular basis" but "daily". I say noone is capable of performing this tedious task for an extended period of time reliably - you get tired, and then you lose your tower at some point because you became too negligent and careless. Leaving such an expensive asset in a POS lab relying on your endurance of doing such stupid, repetitive and excessively boring activities is an exceptionally dumb idea IMO.
Not to mention situations when you are suddenly unable to bother for several days due to whatever reasons. |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.18 17:45:35 -
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Well obviously we both have very different opinions on POS safety and dedication to playing EVE. I do not force anyone to use POS. CCP does. If you arent using POS for industry and research, then you are most likely killing your profit on most items and thats dumb. Not just on T2 BPOs, but on everything. POS gives out such huge bonuses that it cannot be just neglected. You can use NPC stations but the time when it was reasonable is long gone. POS gives out material reduction and massive time reduction. POS lowers your installation fee. POS can be attaced and destroyed, but try to blow up large tower in high sec with shield hardeners and ton of ECM...you need dedicated battleship fleet with reasonably skilled players and hours of time to do that. Noone will attack something like that unless you seriously **** them off, because that is boring.
TL;DR: If someone reading this does not want to use POS, please feel free to calculate your own profit numbers and decide on your own. Just dont spam this thread with your opinions about spending free time - noone cares. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1088
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Posted - 2015.12.18 22:13:57 -
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no, what I'm saying is that you shouldnt delude people into operating a POS with a 50b asset inside it under wrong assumption, you cannot adhere (ofc unless for individuals who control their lives at 100%). |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.19 08:26:48 -
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Again, this is your opinion. I am not pushing or deluding anyone. You can use the BPO in NPC station or double your profit in POS. Thats what I am saying. Of course having a POS just for 1 blueprint is not very reasonable, but my guess is that people buying such expensive asset are already running some sort of industry operation, where they utilize multiple jobs probably on multiple characters i.e. they probably already have a POS and are already using it for regular t1/t2/t3 production so making use of it for 1 more copy job should be a big deal. Yes, POS can get blown up. As a person running multiple POSs over years in several corps in high sec/low sec/ 0.0 / wh I can say I havent lost a single POS in high sec.
You should also check out and warp around high sec moons, especially around trade hubs. You can easily find out that it is actually very hard to find a moons spot that is free - most moons have got POSs running around them. That seems to be a main argument against your thinking - high sec is full of POSs that are being used and my bet is many of them are actually used for T2 BPO copying/production. If you feel like popping high sec POS is easy, I wonder why you dont go for it and start killing all the hundreds towers that are all around, full of juicy stuff... |
Dave PSI
Haendlergilde
Gilde Alliance
11
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Posted - 2015.12.19 15:26:44 -
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I think you miss the most important point here. Anybody rich enough and willing to buy a T2 BPO, is a lazy bastard.
Because if not, where is the reason to buy it?
If "work" isn't important for you, you can simply invent Mastodons (or any other better selling ship). The price difference between the building costs for an M10 and M5 Mastodon is 7-8mil (including invention costs). You simply invent 1/3 more and you have thesame profit. And you could build all at a pos without risk.
And if we are talking about profit margin, for me (i know lazy) the profit per slot is also important. You need additional 1,8 Slots for T2 Comps / T1 Ship. So 2,8 Slots/month to prod the Mastodon nonstop. Most Module BPOs and also some Ship BPOs need less Slots/month.
And again, if "work" isn't important, a slot/month only cost 40mil (1 account = 1200mil / 30 Slots = 40 mil) and you could completely ignore that as long as youre making more isk / slot / month.
In my opinion these are the reasons why many ship bpos are sold and why they aren't as expensive anymore like in the good old times with negative ME.
But @Robert Caldera i don't think it is necessary to inform everybody about the profit margin :-). If a bidder is not able to check that by himself, he deserves what he gets. |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.19 20:07:57 -
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Thanks for the input. I really recommand everyone to make your own calculations and make a decision based on your experience and your opportunities and your time possibilities. You might as well end up not bidding as you find the price too high. In that case I either keep the blueprint or possibly lower the price, we will see.
...and bump |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:53:31 -
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And up again |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.21 19:24:32 -
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Still selling this beauty |
Mai Khumm
Lonetrek Freeport
744
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Posted - 2015.12.21 21:21:56 -
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Zakarumit CZ wrote:As title says, Mastodon T2 BPO is up for an auction. BPO is maxed out ME10 PE 20. Screen: Mastodon T2 BPO Not showing correct numbers for some reason - manufacturing requirements in POS array are 12% lower (likely 10% ME + 2% array) and manufacturing time is just below 24hAuction ends: 13.1.2016 11:00 EVE time (30 days from now) Starting bid: 60b Reserve: Hidden Buyout: Make me an offer Profit calculations: -36 single run copies when copying in POS per month -roughly 110M ISK worth of materials and taxes needed to build 1 hull in POS (when you build components as well) -long term average Jita sell price around 145M ISK -monthly profit around 1.26 b ISK -expect lower profit when buying components off market (do your own calculations) Lowball offers will be treated as free bumps.
Basically, it'll take 4-5 years to break even if monthly profit is 1.26 Bil ISK.
...yeah, totally not worth it and enjoy a bump! |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.22 20:05:33 -
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T2 BPOs sell for prices up to 10 years of profit for the best ones. 4-5 years is a decent offer and pretty much a normal price in my opinion.
...bump |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.23 19:20:12 -
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Reserve set equal to starting bid - 60b. Buyout set to 80b. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1088
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Posted - 2015.12.24 16:56:43 -
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Zakarumit CZ wrote:T2 BPOs sell for prices up to 10 years of profit
very obviosly, they dont... |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.24 18:13:46 -
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Some of the best ones do. Even for more. Like Exhumer BPOs and logi BPOs for example.
...and up |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.25 19:02:00 -
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And up again |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Exiliar Syndicate
187
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Posted - 2015.12.26 19:19:52 -
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Will toss in 10/20 Mammoth BPO for the winner for free - still waiting for offers |
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