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Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 663	Posted - 2012.01.20 21:25:00 - [31] - Quote Yeah I'm not sold on that Inv. It just sits there and sucks capacitor when you aren't even being shot most of the time. I took the Invuln off my Talos and replaced it with a web. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Diomidis Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED 37	Posted - 2012.01.20 21:48:00 - [32] - Quote It's the same old-story with all of these ships (weapon platforms) guys... IMHO, the bigger the gang, the more advantageous is the Pulse Oracle over the AC Tornado. Tornado is better for small gangs as it can effectively field a point, BS class DPS and HAC agility/speed/tank. Oracle with Pulses has GREATLY better dmg projection beyond point range (aka, when you are thinking of it as a pure dmg dealer). Tracking might be worse as a base stat, but the extra effective range can mitigate that. Shield buffer tanked (with no point) is still fast enough to control range and transversal. The arty Tornado plays another game, and it's effectiveness is far greatly dependent on the support it gets (unless the application is alpha poppin things on bubbles and stations, or suicide ganking). "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell
Garr Earthbender Quantum Cats Syndicate 32	Posted - 2012.01.20 22:17:00 - [33] - Quote THIS JUST IN!!!! Oracle beats Drake in major plex! (with stabber fleet holding epic point....) BAM
Christina Trild SkyNet Experiments 0	Posted - 2012.01.20 22:42:00 - [34] - Quote Tornado is a gankers heaven and can put out More alpha then a oracle if thats what you need them for
Diomidis Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED 38	Posted - 2012.01.20 23:09:00 - [35] - Quote Garr Earthbender wrote: THIS JUST IN!!!! Oracle beats Drake in major plex! (with stabber fleet holding epic point....) BAM Wow, I am so proud of you...this was quite an achievement, and I hope you feel relieved now that you could share it with us. "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell
Garr Earthbender Quantum Cats Syndicate 32	Posted - 2012.01.20 23:16:00 - [36] - Quote Just trying to say that the Oracle is a decent ship that can put out the deeps. I never got into long point range. As a matter of fact, the closest I got was 50 KM. I guess I'm wondering if the nado could keep up the same damage at the same range? I was also primary for 1/2 the engagement. Shield kept up for the whole time. No invuln on it this time. Long point instead.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 664	Posted - 2012.01.20 23:20:00 - [37] - Quote Garr Earthbender wrote: Just trying to say that the Oracle is a decent ship that can put out the deeps. I never got into long point range. As a matter of fact, the closest I got was 50 KM. I guess I'm wondering if the nado could keep up the same damage at the same range? I was also primary for 1/2 the engagement. Shield kept up for the whole time. No invuln on it this time. Long point instead. Eh, I'd say that the Tornado and Oracle aren't really in competition for the same role. The Oracle is very much the hang out at 30-60km guy while the Tornado and Talos should be hanging out much closer to the fight. It means they have to be more on their toes but as a rule it seems to work out so far. -Liang Ed: Also, I know everyone is all lusty over Scorch but I don't think I'd be using it on an Oracle. I get extremely skittish about not having a drone bay. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Diomidis Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED 38	Posted - 2012.01.20 23:35:00 - [38] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: [quote=Garr Earthbender]Ed: Also, I know everyone is all lusty over Scorch but I don't think I'd be using it on an Oracle. I get extremely skittish about not having a drone bay. It's the way to go actually...just like Null is a must have for the talos that works it's way and doesn't straight gank loners, the Scorch works for you in pretty much any situation Tier 3s are shining. Tracking is crap against frigs, but that's true with faction ammo with ALL the large guns - even with tracking bonuses, the enemy frig has to pay no attention to transversal, and even then it will be hard to land good shots on it. Ofc lucky (or stupid, depends on the side you are on) volleys on straight - approach-MWDing frigs can be devastating, but most of the times you have more to win than lose using T2 long range ammo with all "Short-range" turrets and Tier 3 DCs - with the Tornado being the exception maybe, as with 2x TEs shoots pretty far with faction. In a nut-shell: Scorch and Null ftw. "War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell
Suleiman Shouaa The Tuskers 60	Posted - 2012.01.21 02:46:00 - [39] - Quote Oracle puts down better DPS than the Nado at every applicable range due to it possessing more lows for Heat Sinks & Lasers doing more damage than ACs straight off the shelf, neglecting falloff/optimal. I've put Oracles at 20km from the primary in order to really lay down the pain with Conflag on anything Cruiser size and above and the DPS coming out is pretty amazing, especially since you can pull out to 60km if needed and still retain most of it. Reg: tracking, fact of the matter is that any decent frigate pilot will not get nailed by any of the new Tier 3s at close range - they HAVE to pull out to hit them in reality in an actual challenging fight where it can't linger for vital seconds to line up that shot. Nado for small gangs for the fact it can actually fit a point, Oracle for DPS. Solo Oracle is also viable (true solo - without links, snakes etc.) but more so than with the other Tier 3s you have to be extremely careful of frigates due to it having the worst tracking.
Garr Earthbender Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords 33	Posted - 2012.01.30 19:56:00 - [40] - Quote I'm still going with nado for alphawtfpwn and oracle for DPS/longer engagment stuff. I've been enjoying the quick ammo swap when burning from gate. Jump in, uncloak, use IN multifreq until 20KM out, then switch to Scorch afterwards. Keep at range of 60, and you've got 40KM to GTFO or burn away. Range as 'tank' works pretty well. -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine.
Alua Oresson The Dominion of Light BLACK-MARK 64	Posted - 2012.01.30 20:11:00 - [41] - Quote Haven't really flown either of them. What I am most happy about is that there is not a consensus about which one is better. That tells me that they are of comparable power levels, yet not so much the same that you can't compare them. I think that's the biggest and best impression. None of the T3 BC's seem to be overpowered compared to any other.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 718	Posted - 2012.01.30 20:30:00 - [42] - Quote Diomidis wrote: Tracking is crap against frigs, but that's true with faction ammo with ALL the large guns - even with tracking bonuses, the enemy frig has to pay no attention to transversal, and even then it will be hard to land good shots on it. Ofc lucky (or stupid, depends on the side you are on) volleys on straight - approach-MWDing frigs can be devastating, but most of the times you have more to win than lose using T2 long range ammo with all "Short-range" turrets and Tier 3 DCs - with the Tornado being the exception maybe, as with 2x TEs shoots pretty far with faction. I don't think that I agree with you. I've been having really good luck with FN AM, a web, and some situation manipulation that forces their transversal to drop in a big way. Null just isn't able to hit them - though I admit that it might if I were gonna fit a FN web on my Talos. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Proxy of Sin Deadman W0nderland The 99 Percent 0	Posted - 2012.01.31 16:29:00 - [43] - Quote Alua Oresson wrote: Haven't really flown either of them. What I am most happy about is that there is not a consensus about which one is better. That tells me that they are of comparable power levels, yet not so much the same that you can't compare them. I think that's the biggest and best impression. None of the T3 BC's seem to be overpowered compared to any other. Naga is the worst comparatively. @tleast when comparing close range turrets. Solo = Talos (drones), Tornado. Fleet = Tornado, Oracle. Sniping = Tornado, Oracle, Naga. These ships are most viable in fleets. The Tornado and Oracle are far superior when compared to the Naga and Talos. -proxyyyy
Cloora APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate 62	Posted - 2012.02.01 01:43:00 - [44] - Quote Actually the Naga is pretty good CEO and Major ShareholderAPEX ConglomerateMaker of Starsi softdrinks and Torped-Os! Cereal http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
Garr Earthbender Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords 33	Posted - 2012.02.01 02:30:00 - [45] - Quote Yeah, I've seen the Naga do well in fleet ops. The vid I saw, the Naga had 2x tracking computers in the mids and switched them out depending on what he was shooting/how far he was shooting. Worked out quite nice for him. BTW, now running dual LSE oracle now. No cap drain from invuln field= longer cap useage/MWD time. Still has enough buffer to GTFO. I also consider that 60KM a sort of 'buffer' If there's no ceptors around, I can sit still at 60KM and lay down the PAIN on the primary. If anything starts approaching me, I have almost 40KM to recognize it and then burn away before I'm even in long point range. Range buffer FTW. -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine.

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