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raVn666 FightClub TQ	Posted - 2007.01.16 13:29:00 - [1] Its sad... to see so many piratecorp reform , to seek other adventures, Both before and after Kali ive seen this tendency that more and more pirates fix theyr sec to go either to 0.0, or go to empire to do high sec griefing with wardecs. I do understand this developement, its all about risk vs reward , and more and more cant be arsed with going outlaw anymore , cause the reward is so much less than the sacrefies you have to make.. My observertions : There have never been less red blinking evil pirates in lowsec. Old pirate institutions choose to go merch/0.0 and fix theyr sec standing. It kinda makes me wonder if piracy is a proffession ccp really wants in this game. Many of the changes done until now tell me the oposite. So , what can tempt you my fellow Yarr-mateys to come back to lowsec and once again spread fear with your evil red blinking apereance? oh and ps.. its not that i dont mind all of you to stay out of lowsec , cause that means alot more targets for us , and we do get the action FightClub TQ Info
Puupuu mUfFiN fAcToRy Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 13:33:00 - [2] Edited by: Puupuu on 16/01/2007 13:29:52 Mmm, more targets for me! I couldn't possibly be bothered to fix my security status. Ratting is rather boring and I know I'd be -10 again in less than a week :(
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.16 13:35:00 - [3] I see a lot less blinky reds, but I think it's because the anti-pi's are a lot more aggressive in hunting us via gate/station camp. It's really sad that people whine about gatecamps and blobbing, but then use the exact same tactic on others. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Jessickah Minmatar Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.16 13:38:00 - [4] People stay in high sec because its safe, and go to 0.0 because its worth it. The only people you find in belts in low sec aren't worth killing. People get bored of killing easy targets for no reward. Make low sec appealing in some way and low sec piracy will flourish.
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.16 13:43:00 - [5] Edited by: kublai on 16/01/2007 13:40:14 CCP has here a unique opportunity to cater to the casual gamer AND the griefers at once, not something you see happen often. Problems with low sec: Too few targets Targets are rarely in belts or at planets where you can kill them without sentry tanking Targets in low sec, unless pirate or anti-pirate (aka bored merc, not those idiots who fly around in bantam blobs) not worth killing. Solutions: Make low sec space profitable for carebears Make low sec space worth "claiming" and using regularly Things that must be avoided at ALL costs: Making piracy simpler, as if that's going to attract richer and more targets...if you think it was barren before, add dictor bubbles etc. Edith: Personally I left low sec out of fear of what Ravn would do to me if I stayed
Nir The Doldrums	Posted - 2007.01.16 13:45:00 - [6] The way I look at it; Mining used to be a common profession in EVE. Then NPC hunting became more profitable, and mining suffered as a result. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a mining op besides the macro kind. Think about it, when was the last time you saw a thread on Crime & Punishment about ore theft? Nobody mines in EVE (on the scale of days gone by) so there ain't nothing to steal. What i'm saying is, professions come and go. There is no written law somewhere that CCP should do everything in their power to uphold your chosen playstyle, just because it was mentioned on the retail box cover 4 years ago. Its a MMO, forever changing and so on and so forth.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.16 14:25:00 - [7] Get rid of local so the whole damn system doesn't dock when I show up (In before local arguments) Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
raVn666 FightClub TQ	Posted - 2007.01.16 14:30:00 - [8] I agree .. Making lowsec more attractive to the eve-community would gain everyone. Add something attractive to lowsec areas that cant be gained neighter in highsec or 0.0 The usual carebear whine would be that its to unsafe But honestly , your'e not safer in highsec or in 0.0 than in 01-04. In highsec you got hordes of griefing corps trowing wardecs all over , in 0.0 you have wars and nbsi policy. I would actually say that lowsec areas are almost safer cause ppl are abonding them. I would also think that it would be in ccp's interrest to get ppl more spread out on the map, Revealing some of the pressure in hub systems. Big alliances tend to pack themself together in main systems in 0.0 , and carebears in highsec. FightClub TQ Info
T'Renn Vale Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.01.16 14:31:00 - [9] Yep... it sucks. Easy solution - increase the good ores in low sec and the rat bounties and drops. Problem solved. Of course, this will never happen, because you'll have every 0.0 alliance member this side of Toledo whining about it, and everyone already knows that all the Devs have Bob alts.
VIctoria Ballentyne Minmatar Pale Riders Incorporated	Posted - 2007.01.16 14:31:00 - [10] Nope, have to say low sec piracy is not dying..... Been in various lowsecs in the past month and seen a lot of bad people in local and in space flashing away. Of course I've also seen some of these pirates turn into little piles of wreckage and it's not unknown for my supercharged pod to flee from the wreckage. What I havn't seen for a while are the gank squads of pirates, which is good, but have seen an upsurge in the nano(Your BS here). Let them all go to 0.0... it keeps them away from our mining ops ;) "Forbid a man to think for himself or to act for himself and you may add the joy of piracy and the zest of smuggling to his life"

Akehno VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2007.01.16 14:38:00 - [11] Originally by: PCaBoo I see a lot less blinky reds, but I think it's because the anti-pi's are a lot more aggressive in hunting us via gate/station camp. It's really sad that people whine about gatecamps and blobbing, but then use the exact same tactic on others. Hmmmm for me anti pirates are just pirates in soul who doesnt want to say they love to kill people :) --------------- - " Hi sir , please wire me 10M and you free" / " You m*** f* , b , I f*** your mom !!!" / " Oki fly safe " (Your security status have been adjusted^^)
T'Renn Vale Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.01.16 14:41:00 - [12] an anti-pirate is just a pirate who thinks they're better than you and smacks in local.
lofty29 Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.16 14:42:00 - [13] Theres still plenty of us blinky-red types around, if you know where to look ---
Jan Riksma Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.16 14:42:00 - [14] Hi, Don't think its dead just new tactics have to be used. Still kill enough in low sec to still my hunger. Cheers, Jan
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.16 14:49:00 - [15] Originally by: raVn666 The usual carebear whine would be that its to unsafe But honestly , your'e not safer in highsec or in 0.0 than in 01-04. In highsec you got hordes of griefing corps trowing wardecs all over , in 0.0 you have wars and nbsi policy. I would actually say that lowsec areas are almost safer cause ppl are abonding them. As a pirate you are honor bound to educate every one that pirates and the privateers(and other lesser known wardec tossers) are not griefers and what the difference is Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Ice Conch	Posted - 2007.01.16 14:57:00 - [16] the biggest reward of low sec is agent missions. higher reward in low sec, and your choices are limited in 0.0. If you find the mission runners, you find the targets
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.16 15:07:00 - [17] Originally by: Nir The way I look at it; Mining used to be a common profession in EVE. Then NPC hunting became more profitable, and mining suffered as a result. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a mining op besides the macro kind. Think about it, when was the last time you saw a thread on Crime & Punishment about ore theft? Nobody mines in EVE (on the scale of days gone by) so there ain't nothing to steal. What i'm saying is, professions come and go. There is no written law somewhere that CCP should do everything in their power to uphold your chosen playstyle, just because it was mentioned on the retail box cover 4 years ago. Its a MMO, forever changing and so on and so forth. I Totally disagree with ya there, i think ccp has a resonsibility to uphold all ways of playing and make sure there is balance and opportunity for all professions whether it be mining,trading,pirating,couriers anything. all should be viable and profitable imo DE
Donovan Killar Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.16 16:05:00 - [18] Personally I would love to see better trades in low sec. I already do numerous runs through in and through it for good profit, though I never see quite the quantities I would like to. Yes thatÆs right I am one of the crazies who flies industrials through low sec. Oh and... havenÆt caught me yet! =P (actually thatÆs only partially true, you havenÆt caught me in an industrial yet. My Raven however didnÆt fare so well...) No worries about me being a care bear thoughà.as I fully intend on joining you folks in low sec when I have some decent skills. I canÆt wait >=)
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.16 16:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Donovan Killar Personally I would love to see better trades in low sec. I already do numerous runs through in and through it for good profit, though I never see quite the quantities I would like to. Yes thatÆs right I am one of the crazies who flies industrials through low sec. Oh and... havenÆt caught me yet! =P (actually thatÆs only partially true, you havenÆt caught me in an industrial yet. My Raven however didnÆt fare so well...) No worries about me being a care bear thoughà.as I fully intend on joining you folks in low sec when I have some decent skills. I canÆt wait >=) Aren't you in TANK CEO's corp? And decent skills for piracy are Gal cruiser 3, Drones 5, Med Hybrid 1, Propusion Jamming I, and High Speed Maneuvering. Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Donovan Killar Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.16 16:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Donovan Killar Personally I would love to see better trades in low sec. I already do numerous runs through in and through it for good profit, though I never see quite the quantities I would like to. Yes thatÆs right I am one of the crazies who flies industrials through low sec. Oh and... havenÆt caught me yet! =P (actually thatÆs only partially true, you havenÆt caught me in an industrial yet. My Raven however didnÆt fare so well...) No worries about me being a care bear thoughà.as I fully intend on joining you folks in low sec when I have some decent skills. I canÆt wait >=) Aren't you in TANK CEO's corp? And decent skills for piracy are Gal cruiser 3, Drones 5, Med Hybrid 1, Propusion Jamming I, and High Speed Maneuvering. Err...nope to the first part... Gal cruiser x Drones 3 Prop jamming 3 High speed manuvering 3 hmm guess I am not that far

DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 16:17:00 - [21] There has been a massive explosion in the Eve population. That new population have not got the required industrial AND pvp skills to handle low sec yet. You need to give them a bit more time before you see lots more ppl in low sec. However, as a casual lvl4 missioner there is no shortage of piewats. But I do agree that low sec should have better riods to get more industrial corps in.... big mininig ops with protection from raiding piewat gangs will need very good roids to pay for those outlays.... Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.01.16 16:32:00 - [22] Yeah, increase the quality of ore. Who's gonna risk his hulk on some stinkin jaspet? And rat bounties are really crap, I've seen at most a bc for 175k and they are far between. Most people that hang around in the low sec belts are newbies in frigs or a cruiser, not much to loot or ransom. Don't need to flood the belts with good ores but have some belts spawn some good crap here and there. Maybe some of that stuff that never gets mined in 0.0 but dosent exist in lowsec, dunno what they are called, but that yields some zyd or something. Add a few low tier bs spawns (450k-650k) and you got a recipe for better equipped rat hunters. After all, lowsec is more dangerous than sitting in a empty system in 0.0 chaining 2M rats all day long. Also probing out mission runners is a bit hard, I was 3 au straight below a (chinese farmer) mission that went on for over an hour and used all kinds of probes and never got a single hit. Whats up with that? ------ Simply by pulling on both ends, Chuck Norris can strech diamonds back into coal.
Tommy PodsPods	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:22:00 - [23] I dunno how hard core pirates do it these days, Ive been doing a bit, and I dont see a huge amount of profit except once in maybe 50 kills. I would say tweak the high sec to be less profitable, less belts, and tweak low sec with more battlecruiser and hauler spawns, adjust the sizes of the good ore roids to be a bit bigger, making zydrine and megacyte more available might be the only tweak needed though.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Tommy PodsPods I dunno how hard core pirates do it these days, Ive been doing a bit, and I dont see a huge amount of profit except once in maybe 50 kills. I would say tweak the high sec to be less profitable, less belts, and tweak low sec with more battlecruiser and hauler spawns, adjust the sizes of the good ore roids to be a bit bigger, making zydrine and megacyte more available might be the only tweak needed though. leave megacyte in 0.0 but more incentive to mine up in lowsec is welcome. Of course miners are a btch to catch when your all by yourself Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin* Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Gamble Dakota Immortalis Silens Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.16 17:54:00 - [25] This isn't anything new. Low-Sec systems need to at least pretend to be mildly profitable again before it flourishes as it should, it's been *****ed about for some time. People expecting comparable rewards to 0.0 are lolworthy, but I agree that there should at least be a massive increase in BC spawns and rarer asteroids in the 0.1/0.2 systems. This benefits the entire Eve population, and will make a lot of people who get frustrated and quit due to the overwhelming pain of making isk without getting into 0.0. (Without mission running anyway). As far as a dying profession, I'm glad. The less pirates there are the less competition I have and the less worried my targets will be. I find the correct answer is rarely the truthful one.
Virgo I'Platonicus	Posted - 2007.01.16 18:12:00 - [26] Originally by: raVn666 So , what can tempt you my fellow Yarr-mateys to come back to lowsec and once again spread fear with your evil red blinking apereance? Hmm. You have everything you need for that honey :p Honestly i think that lowsec is not really the problematic thingy here. Cause gamemechanics wise i believe that lowsec is quite very fine and needs no tuning. What needs tuning is high sec and 0.0. I find it a bit stupid that in 0.0 you get NO security drops for killing neutrals BUT you get a standing boost for killing NPC. Honestly i think that in a space where there are no sentry guns true pirates dont give a damn about their security status so i dont really understand why here are no standing drops in 0.0. Plus it'd make 0.0 more viable for trade , with alliances opening their doors to traders.... Imagine more convoys from one alliance to another, with definite routes, that could all be tackled by a RED BLINKING yarrzor. So dont boost low sec, but nerf 0.0, make it give you standing drop for neutral kills (therefore you need wars in 0.0 too - i see no point in bob killing all alliances without ever declaring war on them) or make those rats not boost your standing(so much) OR put better standing boost to low sec( but i dont think that's good for game mechanics, i prefer the first option - especially since there's been some talk about constellation sovereignty which will allow alliances to put some constellatinos to use for open traffic and some closed to members only... at least that's my idea. As for high sec...Delete Jita from the face of the EVE universe - blow it with failed titan weapon or something, put lvl 3 agents to lowsec too (most of them), lvl 4s should be far better in money/bounties for NPCers, cause frankly, there are less n less NPcers in low sec. They all went to high sec for lvl3 agents :/ or to 0.0 for belt chaining... sux either way. Anyway. My 6cent. V.
Virgo I'Platonicus	Posted - 2007.01.16 18:20:00 - [27] As well maybe i should point out that a true pirate (-one that doesnt use alts for money making and everythign else) is supposed to be poor, to make do with his skills and some poor ship until he gets loot for something better. And i dont think that there are ANY TrUE pirates left out there. Could be wrong though, point them out to me, and i'll send my naked photo and an app to join them. So the guys that you see frapping movies with uber vindicator (4bio+)ship n setups and the guys using MS in low sec for fun...dont really hit it. I cant remember the last time i had a decent setup on any of my ships...ooops did i say that aloud? My point was that too many people started ganking low sec with really too uber setups n ships, and that maybe lowsec isnt meant for those guys (ravn:hint :)) so why dont we or you... just leave low sec for 0.0 if you want more and better targets? I mean go kill bob noobs. Find some cool targets there you will. My 7th cent. V.:)
Shadrin Gallente Girlfriend Thieves Inc	Posted - 2007.01.16 18:26:00 - [28] Originally by: T'Renn an anti-pirate is just a pirate who thinks they're better than you and smacks in local. lmao ain't that the truth, quoteworthy ------------------------------------ Shadrin CEO, Girlfriend Thieves Inc. Recruiting information
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.16 18:30:00 - [29] Edited by: tiller on 16/01/2007 18:33:12 I think the problem is solo piracy is just so difficult now, at least at gates. Before Kali I would happily sit at a gate in a raven (yes, with 2 stabs) and take on any other BS 1 vs 1 under sentry fire. Now with Kali I can't use stabs and with the increase in tanks on ships with HP and cap changes there just is not time to take down targets the same size as myself. If you are solo taking on large targets without means to warp when scambled you have only one real option... to disengage if you think the fight is lost and wait for aggro so you can jump. Maybe this is the solution..... (I've not tried this method yet) Alot of people argue that you should engage in PVP even if the odds are stacked against you... though true and alot of fun, if this is ALL you do day in day out the chances are you won't be able to continue with the lifestyle (losing countless ships a week) The other MAJOR problem is solo piracy is not possible without a alt.. without a alt scouting you will be BBQd with in a hour absolutely no doubt. Lucky I fly a alt with a 2nd acc and can run it same time as main, most are not so lucky. Don't get me wrong, if you know what your doing you can still make alot of isk.. however, from experience most don't know and just die lots and ultimately give up piracy for other pursuits. Get piracy right and you'll see + isk in your wallet, kill far more that you lose... ratios is the key. My current kill death ratio this year is 79.2:1, thats not bad really and enough to just about break even with isk. edit: when I refer to piracy above I talk only about non-consentual pvp at low sec gates (which is a form of piracy)
piepie Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.16 18:37:00 - [30] In my days of pirating around hysera the only way i made money was gate camping, about 10-12 of us in feroxs. i think in total we made about 100millish over a week or two which at the time wasnt bad. It did get abit boring thoe as it was just sitting at a gate and there wasnt much to kill except mission runners at gates or the odd caracal in the belts. It would be a shame if it low sec pirating dies down thoe as i had some great times when i first started out.

tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.16 18:40:00 - [31] Originally by: piepie In my days of pirating around hysera the only way i made money was gate camping, about 10-12 of us in feroxs. i think in total we made about 100millish over a week or two which at the time wasnt bad. It did get abit boring thoe as it was just sitting at a gate and there wasnt much to kill except mission runners at gates or the odd caracal in the belts. It would be a shame if it low sec pirating dies down thoe as i had some great times when i first started out. Things are abit better now... I know for a fact that we made at least 2bill isk over the xmas week in one system alone. Thats with gangs from 2-6 people without any BIG single kills. There are two ways to pirate at gates, for fun, or for isk. For isk you ignore large and often cheap / tough targets and focus on transports / haulers. For fun, kill everything you can even if a tough fight....
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.16 18:46:00 - [32] Originally by: piepie In my days of pirating around hysera the only way i made money was gate camping, about 10-12 of us in feroxs. i think in total we made about 100millish over a week or two which at the time wasnt bad. It did get abit boring thoe as it was just sitting at a gate and there wasnt much to kill except mission runners at gates or the odd caracal in the belts. It would be a shame if it low sec pirating dies down thoe as i had some great times when i first started out. were you part of OPM? Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Rail Duke	Posted - 2007.01.16 19:09:00 - [33] With privateers, low sec should look mighty appealing :). ------------- When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that will name everything: The Ibm stellarsphere, The Microsoft galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
piepie Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.16 19:12:00 - [34] Edited by: piepie on 16/01/2007 19:10:53 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: piepie In my days of pirating around hysera the only way i made money was gate camping, about 10-12 of us in feroxs. i think in total we made about 100millish over a week or two which at the time wasnt bad. It did get abit boring thoe as it was just sitting at a gate and there wasnt much to kill except mission runners at gates or the odd caracal in the belts. It would be a shame if it low sec pirating dies down thoe as i had some great times when i first started out. were you part of OPM? Yea i was, were you in clod ?? or am i thinking of some one else ? When i did gate camping i did it for fun as it was great fun trying to ransom some one while being shot at by sentrys in a ferox :) it did get a little hectic in big groups i got popped by a corp mate and allmost podded that wasnt on vent :)
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.16 19:17:00 - [35] Originally by: piepie Edited by: piepie on 16/01/2007 19:10:53 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: piepie In my days of pirating around hysera the only way i made money was gate camping, about 10-12 of us in feroxs. i think in total we made about 100millish over a week or two which at the time wasnt bad. It did get abit boring thoe as it was just sitting at a gate and there wasnt much to kill except mission runners at gates or the odd caracal in the belts. It would be a shame if it low sec pirating dies down thoe as i had some great times when i first started out. were you part of OPM? Yea i was, were you in clod ?? or am i thinking of some one else ? When i did gate camping i did it for fun as it was great fun trying to ransom some one while being shot at by sentrys in a ferox :) it did get a little hectic in big groups i got popped by a corp mate and allmost podded that wasnt on vent :) Yeah I was in CLOD I was the one that wasn't running missions (hopes Copeq and Mark aren't reading the forums) I took part in your mass ferox gate camps once lol Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
piepie Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.16 19:28:00 - [36] lol, i bet some one made a killing on all those feroxs. Those were the days of the "ferox gang"
Sameth Daret ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.16 19:35:00 - [37] OPM FTW. those were the good old days nice to see you again Marcus. Back to the topic. :P
deeper throat	Posted - 2007.01.16 21:17:00 - [38] Edited by: deeper throat on 16/01/2007 21:15:53 First the pirates locked down several low sec systems for many months. Then people started complaining "omg low sec is so empty, there are no people". Tell me, pirates, how can lowsec NOT be empty when the more interesting / most needed (transit-) sytems were gatecamped almost 23 / 7? Yes, I'm talking about Egghelende and Amamake, where many new players had to go through for trading, mission running or simply exploring the universe. Now, what do the pirates think will people do after being wtfpwned in their first week by pirates the very second they entered low sec for the first time? Soon, people found out that 0.0 pwns lowsec in every aspect. It was the pirates who locked down many lowsec systems (we all know, of whom I'm talking here, no?) who destroyed lowsec piracy, by giving low sec a bad name.
OrangeAfroMan Minmatar Suffoco Noctis	Posted - 2007.01.16 21:30:00 - [39] Originally by: deeper throat Edited by: deeper throat on 16/01/2007 21:23:31 Edited by: deeper throat on 16/01/2007 21:15:53 First the pirates locked down several low sec systems for many months. Then people started complaining "omg low sec is so empty, there are no people". Tell me, pirates, how can lowsec NOT be empty when the more interesting / most needed (transit-) sytems were gatecamped almost 23 / 7? Yes, I'm talking about Egghelende and Amamake, where many new players had to go through for trading, mission running or simply exploring the universe. Now, what do the pirates think will people do after being wtfpwned in their first week by pirates the very second they entered low sec for the first time? Right, they will become bears - CAREBEARS. Not because they don't want to see anything else but mission running, but because they got the impression that low sec means insta - death. And all this whining here on the forums from the few brave ones about "not all low sec is like Egghelende / Amamake" sounded like a trap to them. Yes, I was one of those. My first experience with tiller made me stay in high sec for many months (btw, my main is Doc Extropy, so tiller may check his killboard for a Thorax kill in April 2006). I was close to quitting Eve, even took a break from active gameplay (I only trained skills like a madman) because mission running was so extremely boring, then I decided "ok, lets spend the money I made @ action" and I found a nice 0.3 system which I started helping to protect from pirates, quite successfully. I still avoided the hotspot systems, which was plainly annoying, because going from Federation to Republic space not via Egghelende / Amamake means 20 jumps instead of 4, but I accepted the price. The other option would have been putting expensive stuff at a meaningless risk. Conclusio: It was the pirates who locked down many lowsec systems who destroyed lowsec piracy, by giving low sec a bad name. We aren't really talking about attracting noobs who were traumatized at [EVE] birth. . . .
deeper throat	Posted - 2007.01.16 21:32:00 - [40] Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Originally by: deeper throat Edited by: deeper throat on 16/01/2007 21:23:31 Edited by: deeper throat on 16/01/2007 21:15:53 First the pirates locked down several low sec systems for many months. Then people started complaining "omg low sec is so empty, there are no people". Tell me, pirates, how can lowsec NOT be empty when the more interesting / most needed (transit-) sytems were gatecamped almost 23 / 7? Yes, I'm talking about Egghelende and Amamake, where many new players had to go through for trading, mission running or simply exploring the universe. Now, what do the pirates think will people do after being wtfpwned in their first week by pirates the very second they entered low sec for the first time? Right, they will become bears - CAREBEARS. Not because they don't want to see anything else but mission running, but because they got the impression that low sec means insta - death. And all this whining here on the forums from the few brave ones about "not all low sec is like Egghelende / Amamake" sounded like a trap to them. Yes, I was one of those. My first experience with tiller made me stay in high sec for many months (btw, my main is Doc Extropy, so tiller may check his killboard for a Thorax kill in April 2006). I was close to quitting Eve, even took a break from active gameplay (I only trained skills like a madman) because mission running was so extremely boring, then I decided "ok, lets spend the money I made @ action" and I found a nice 0.3 system which I started helping to protect from pirates, quite successfully. I still avoided the hotspot systems, which was plainly annoying, because going from Federation to Republic space not via Egghelende / Amamake means 20 jumps instead of 4, but I accepted the price. The other option would have been putting expensive stuff at a meaningless risk. Conclusio: It was the pirates who locked down many lowsec systems who destroyed lowsec piracy, by giving low sec a bad name. We aren't really talking about attracting noobs who were traumatized at [EVE] birth. . . I guess when those people become mature characters, you will find them valuable targets. In fact, level 4 mission running with two accounts (one fighting, the other one doing remote repping) is VERY profitable. ;)

Apollyon X FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.16 22:08:00 - [41] I went to my old home system of gulmorogod, 1 jump from amamake a couple days ago. It was full of pirates, the whole area seems alot more infested then it was when I was last there. There doesn't seem to be too many civilians though so I think its time to start pirating other pirates.
Felinuszzz Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.17 01:18:00 - [42] I'll tell you what the problem is. It's 2 month old characters going straight to Battleships, and blobbing. Hard to do much when after a kill or two you are camped -IN- in by a huge blob of newbs in Battleships, complete with fifteen battleship-sized NOS. ---------
Rockbox Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.01.17 06:37:00 - [43] When compared to what it was a year ago, its dead, and has been for a while... Rockbox > Resistence is futile...Rockbox > Penetration is imminent!
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.17 07:19:00 - [44] Originally by: deeper throat First the pirates locked down several low sec systems for many months. Then people started complaining "omg low sec is so empty, there are no people". Tell me, pirates, how can lowsec NOT be empty when the more interesting / most needed (transit-) sytems were gatecamped almost 23 / 7? Yes, I'm talking about Egghelende and Amamake, where many new players had to go through for trading, mission running or simply exploring the universe. Now, what do the pirates think will people do after being wtfpwned in their first week by pirates the very second they entered low sec for the first time? Right, they will become bears - CAREBEARS. Not because they don't want to see anything else but mission running, but because they got the impression that low sec means insta - death. And all this whining here on the forums from the few brave ones about "not all low sec is like Egghelende / Amamake" sounded like a trap to them. Yes, I was one of those. My first experience with tiller made me stay in high sec for many months (btw, my main is Doc Extropy, so tiller may check his killboard for a Thorax kill in April 2006). I was close to quitting Eve, even took a break from active gameplay (I only trained skills like a madman) because mission running was so extremely boring, then I decided "ok, lets spend the money I made @ action" and I found a nice 0.3 system which I started helping to protect from pirates, quite successfully. I still avoided the hotspot systems, which was plainly annoying, because going from Federation to Republic space not via Egghelende / Amamake means 20 jumps instead of 4, but I accepted the price. The other option would have been putting expensive stuff at a meaningless risk. Well, now I'm 0.0 and I like it. But I would have been here much earlier if I wasn't scared off by getting wtfinstapwned for absolutely no reason. Conclusio: It was the pirates who locked down many lowsec systems who destroyed lowsec piracy, by giving low sec a bad name. There are very few gatecamps in Egghelende anymore. It's just not worth the risk vs reward. So called PvP'ers love to fight under protection of sentry fire and blobs. I was actually admonished for half an hour in local by a group of players when I brought out my dominix to fight their 5 battlecruisers and recons at the station... sorry getting off track. Anyways, there really is no reward worth coming to low-sec, besides the thrill of fighting others, pirates or otherwise. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Redglare's Demise Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.17 07:23:00 - [45] No reward except the thrill of fighting others? Why do you think I play this game (and many others like me)?
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.17 08:59:00 - [46] Originally by: Redglare's Demise No reward except the thrill of fighting others? Why do you think I play this game (and many others like me)? I meant people who don't care for the PvP part of EvE. I enjoy blowing things up as much as the next guy. I have to admit, I spend a lot more time griefing than actual pirating. Which is evident in my wallet hovering at dangerously low levels atm. =[ ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Logi3 sasha and co Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.17 09:21:00 - [47] In my previous corp it was choose an alliance or corp and go after then. Worked very well. On my first character when i used to be in Killer Clowns from Outter Space... Those days are over and i agree. Sometimes, it would be a laugh to gate gamp. Esp when you get the likes of Celest Apoc comming in to get rid of you!
Haleuth Amarr EndlessCycle	Posted - 2007.01.17 10:01:00 - [48] Whats more sad is respected pvp'ers/pirates complaining that theres no targets in low sec or its to hard to get a kill these days !!! You guys need to adapt and change or you'll end up high sec mission running lol. Some advice for ya if your having problems- 1) Use the galactic map and select the deadspace option. 2) Select a nice system that has a low sec complex in it. 3) Get the keys for the complex (taking note of the damage type dealt by the rats). 4) Grab a cloaked ship (Pilgrim works well). 5) Sit in the complex and wait for an unsuspecting player to come in. 6) Pop his ship, collect his mods, make a tidy sum. 7) Rinse and repeat. Now, what is so difficult about doing that? Haleuth
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.17 10:03:00 - [49] Originally by: Haleuth Whats more sad is respected pvp'ers/pirates complaining that theres no targets in low sec or its to hard to get a kill these days !!! You guys need to adapt and change or you'll end up high sec mission running lol. Some advice for ya if your having problems- 1) Use the galactic map and select the deadspace option. 2) Select a nice system that has a low sec complex in it. 3) Get the keys for the complex (taking note of the damage type dealt by the rats). 4) Grab a cloaked ship (Pilgrim works well). 5) Sit in the complex and wait for an unsuspecting player to come in. 6) Pop his ship, collect his mods, make a tidy sum. 7) Rinse and repeat. Now, what is so difficult about doing that? lol considering how heavily camped complexes are around where I am, i'd say it's fairly difficult. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Bosie Tenacious Warriors Acquiring Technology	Posted - 2007.01.17 10:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Virgo I'Platonicus As well maybe i should point out that a true pirate (-one that doesnt use alts for money making and everythign else) is supposed to be poor, to make do with his skills and some poor ship until he gets loot for something better. And i dont think that there are ANY TrUE pirates left out there. Could be wrong though, point them out to me, and i'll send my naked photo and an app to join them. I am looking forward to photoshopping your picture and sticking it on the net. Thanks. "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND." ...Winston

Jebe Noyon	Posted - 2007.01.17 10:46:00 - [51] I managed to catch 3 Hulks last month - nice iskies, some T2 fitted battleships, recons - you gotta love damper Arbi with T2 hammers. But now that peeps know me and my fellas, they usaully dock when they see one of us in local. Or if you find a mining op it's totally untouchable. Last time I saw some bear mining op it consisted of few covetors, retrieves and some 20 defenders in ships ranging from Vexors and Thoraxes to BBs, Brutixes and Scorps. Now how can you take that in your Arbi? Another thing - every one is still stabbed like hell - 2 days ago my mate in Lachesis and me in my beloved Arbi scrammed a Domi in 0.3 system and he warped out - WTF?!!! 2 points and he still warped (the guy was one and a half years old NPCing frigs inna BS with 2 stabs). There are as well some nice plex systems where iskie farmers (usually nicknamed exxxxde, ffhgrhs, a mei, a pei or 43432473gjjff) sit 24/7 and completely ignore few men gangs, but if you gather a nice gang of battleships, then they dock - now how much more annoying can that be? And bears really get angry on you cuz you kill em in lowsec (not to mention nice hate convos or mails threatening to kill me and ***me dog lol). last time I undocked, got ganked by two sensor boosting Feroxes and a Chimera. How much someone has to be **ed to call in a carrier to pwn a T1 cruiser? That's how I live in lowsec - one week you make 400kk another week you have 5 mill in your wallet and try to sell/recycle all that crap in your assets which is SO friggin boring. Then you start thinking about joining Privateers, but wtf you have -9.7 sec status and ratting in 0.2 is kinda paintfull and might seriously harm one's health. It's great being a scoundrel, ain't it?
ReePeR McAllem Amarr The Carebear Stare Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 16:28:00 - [52] Originally by: Jebe Noyon - every one is still stabbed like hell - Yeah!! isn't it just sad? coconuts...
Jebe Noyon	Posted - 2007.01.17 16:44:00 - [53] Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Originally by: Jebe Noyon - every one is still stabbed like hell - Yeah!! isn't it just sad? Tell me about it. We have this old saying which would literally sound like this - "if you are afraid of the wolf, don't go to the woods". Now in EVE it should sound like this - "if you are afraid of the wolf, tank that scumbag with wcs". My m8 has bumpamydon with 2 x 20km points and yet sometimes he has to constantly bump his targets, cuz they somehow manage to warp to the next belt in panic.
jimmyjam Gallente Turbulent	Posted - 2007.01.17 17:34:00 - [54] lo sec piracy is not dead for sure.Maybe you just hang out in the wrong places.Placid is alive and well with plenty of targets.
Neon Genesis Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.01.17 18:07:00 - [55] About sec. I recently went down to -10 again (3rd time? can't remember) and then back up. IMO it's just not worth it, theres plenty to do in 0.0, and I don't keep an alt so it's just convenient to be able to buy ships. Changes have made things harder and harder recently.
Rail Duke	Posted - 2007.01.17 18:08:00 - [56] Originally by: jimmyjam lo sec piracy is not dead for sure.Maybe you just hang out in the wrong places.Placid is alive and well with plenty of targets. shhhhhhhhhhh ------------- When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that will name everything: The Ibm stellarsphere, The Microsoft galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
Ironnight Caldari Bloody Needles	Posted - 2007.01.17 18:44:00 - [57] Sec status is the worst, it goes down so fast and takes forever to get up and there are too few targets in low sec. We turned to high sec wars, but we still need to learn how to find good targets, we figured a corp with 50-60 members would give us some targets, but most of them are inaktive, the few that have played long enough to be able to make it interesting havent been willing to take part in the wars, leaving us with mostly new players as targets, which is not much fun, we allready ended one war, a few of the members in that corp did fight back, but they had not played long enough to know much about PVP, but they had guts enough to try, which you just have to respect! We did plan on ending the second war, but now they hired, what seems to be a good merc corp, to attack us, so maybe we will get more then we hoped for. We are a very small corp, which we feel limits our options in 0.0, (3-4 aktive pilots)but we will see, thats whats so great about EVE, there is allways something to do, you just have to figure out what it is
Portios Smith Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.17 18:50:00 - [58] Originally by: Rockbox When compared to what it was a year ago, its dead, and has been for a while... I Agree Sig removed does not contain your name, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Limited Slip	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:28:00 - [59] I think that the more everyone (carebears, antis, CCP) want to make living harder for pirates the more they increase the prestige of true pirates. All aspects of the game require substantial efforts from players, so does piracy. So chances are the less you see red blinking, the more affraid you should be! Slip http://www.pannnline.hu/dave/eve/slip_signo.jpg
Janus Duo	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:58:00 - [60] Whoa who whoa! Losec piracy dead? Maybe gatecamping got nerfed, but warp to 0 actually helps those hunting ratters as the dumb ratters always warp to 0, which puts you right on top of em. I just started this char, he's 2 weeks old pirating for 2 days and I've already taken down 3 AFs (and many t1 cruisers and frigs) with him, mainly because WTZ put me right in web/nos range of them. You no longer need a MWD or AB to catch those targets who warp to 15 from the other side of the warp in point than you do. If anything it is a boost to belt ratter hunters, many of whom don't have the tank to tank sentries anyhow! Sure, those nasty gate to gate haulers get away, but you were only gonna take em on at a gate anyhow, and only in a well skilled BC or BS. People are still catchable on the warpout by sensor boosted ships too I hear. If that fails try Lanfear's Banes trick with remote repping a inty/AF with good sig resolution. Where there's a will there's a way!

Zardenim	Posted - 2007.01.18 04:32:00 - [61] You want to bring carebears to lowsec you say? Firstly, put rarer ores in lowsec. Secondly, make POS refineries feasible. Thirdly (if possible), add more lowsec systems - alot more. Boom, insta-carebear flux.
Annya Avishnaya Sadist Faction	Posted - 2007.01.18 06:59:00 - [62] Originally by: Zardenim You want to bring carebears to lowsec you say? Firstly, put rarer ores in lowsec. Secondly, make POS refineries feasible. Thirdly (if possible), add more lowsec systems - alot more. Boom, insta-carebear flux. You don't even nescessarily need rarer ores, you just need it so that 2-3 people(nevermind a decent sized corp) don't strip a 5-6 belt system of hemorphite between respawns. Once you have a system to the point where you're mining only the previous respawn then you strip the good(read: worthwhile) ore within an hour or two per belt. I think hemo is worth about 5-6 mil per can so it's alright money for a good miner, but it's just not sustainable for any serious amount of people. It really need the same weight and refining properties as crokite/bistot and I think it'd be ok. I love playing in lowsec, i love the extra risk, the need to pay attention, and the lack of lag(generally) but after mining lowsec for a week, i thought, "wtf am I doing this for? I've still gotta move all my mins through 10 jumps of lowsec to get to a place to sell it for a decent price and I can be making more per hour running level 4's in highsec while having the convenience of nearby market hubs". I'm an industrialist(not a carebear, i don't run from pvp- I just don't go out looking for it), but you can't even make decent money selling stuff in lowsec because you have to charge more to compensate for the lack of sales compared to the hubs and then the people that would buy that stuff(pirates) send their alt to the hubs cause they can buy stuff at cheaper prices Not to mention the difficulty of getting sizable orders of low end minerals there without getting half of it ganked. So as far as getting people like me to lowsec, it's loose-loose as far as we're concerned so good luck. I'd love to try building a lowsec trade hub somewhere, but as far as I can tell it's just not feasable unless you enter some sort of agreement with some local pirate corps(hint, hint: production services available ) The problem with simply adding better ores(maybe spodumain or gneiss would be okay) to lowsec is if there was too much of it then i think you'd get a big influx of miners and that'd drive mineral prices down, resulting in people going back to level 4 missions, resulting in people going back to highsec. And you absolutely need zydrine, megacyte and morphite coming mainly from 0.0 space. It's redundant anyways, since it wouldn't spawn fast enough to satisfy any decent sized industrial corp unless the system had 15-20 belts. Even then it'd be dodgy. That's just two cents from an industrialist's point of view. --------
Bailian Moxtain FightClub TQ	Posted - 2007.01.18 13:38:00 - [63] love you ravn *- made in Norway -*
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.18 13:55:00 - [64] Originally by: Bailian Moxtain love you ravn Fine go with them I'll just love myself Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -ISD Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Forum Troll	Posted - 2007.01.19 07:40:00 - [65] Get rid of local and get rid of Concord.
Dionisius Gallente Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.01.19 09:27:00 - [66] Oh and get rid of smacktards that start spaming local after blobing someone and bragging about something they were not able to do alone. The most part carebears wouldn't even mind losing ships if most of people that pirate...or say that...wouldn't be smacktards. What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Booster Terrick Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.01.22 04:37:00 - [67] Edited by: Booster Terrick on 22/01/2007 04:35:40 I absolutely LOVE to hear pirates whine....you dug your hole, now lay in it. whine "CCP will have to do something, because too many people are having fun without being griefed all the time..."sniffle You've GOT to be kidding me...low sec underpopulated? You don't say? Could it be the sharks have finally over-fed their hunting grounds and their prey are wising up? Definitely. Older players are leaving low sec for 0.0 or are quitting EVE altogether. Then there's us "carebears" who couldn't care less whether or not we ever fall into your gunsights.;P There's absolutely nothing in low sec I haven't outgrown except a good fight with an over-confident "pirate" who's used to getting easy kills because he's been shooting at haulers and new players all day. But that's another subject. For me to ever go back to low sec with anything industrial in mind, the Devs would have to offer something in the way of incentives that would be worth it. Moving the level 4 missions to low sec would remove one of the reasons I bother playing anymore, so let's not do that. Removing CONCORD: Oh, you'd like that, wouldn't you? Noobs would get all of a day or less and then they'd quit playing out of frustration after getting popped outside their schools multiple times in an hour. EVE would turn into a ghost town inside of 3 weeks, except for veterans (who, like me are getting rather bored) that still haven't gotten tired of 0.0 and all the alliance crap. Props to guys like Tiller who have stuck it out for so long and are still going (don't let it go to your head...I'd still enjoy seeing that Raven go pop in a big way, along with your pod soon after) amidst an ever-decreasing supply of targets. But for all you pirates out there who just can't go through a whole day without someone cursing your birth, take heart: the new patch resulted in an influx of players who will come your way soon enough, only I suspect they'll be the usual cheap fittings and low wallet sizes if they're smart. /emote Dries his tears of grief over the "pirate situation" with a rather large towel
VoYvod	Posted - 2007.01.22 04:54:00 - [68] i believe that low sec SNIPING is dead in result fewer -10 due to very difficult when you're not non stop popping pods (cant stay at the gate 4ever with sentries on you, unless out of sentry gun range ofc).... warp to 0km and HitPoint increase sure killed sniping and everybody and their mother is using nanofibers - i think its worse than warp core stabs,,,,, the amount of nano dominixs that ive seen in the past month is very frustrating (only cuz it's extremely diffcult to pin them down - which is obviously the point) i guess my point is , change a few things and see drastic changes - suggestion ... stop fixing things that aren't broken
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2007.01.22 04:55:00 - [69] how about you get the carebears to stop whining about piracy in hi-sec. There's a reason why they're in hi-sec now and not low-sec.
Rikkard Strofeldt Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.22 08:25:00 - [70] Bah! Screw low sec, there are many more targets in 0.0, and they're richer and stupider. Oh, and it also doesn't have those annoying sentry guns, so you can camp a gate in a cruiser gang. It warmed my heart to see someone say in local "Wow, I've never seen so many blinky red and yellow ships". YARR! -- Descending into madness.



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