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Xavier Raines
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:35:00 -
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I think it is time that people in corps who don't want to be griefed or participate in PvP are allowed some protection in Empire space. It would be a good idea if CCP allowed us to "buy protection" from Concord when War decced in Empire. Sort of like paying Mercs or bodyguards. the rates can be hourly, daily...whatever.
I don't want to be forced to PvP when I am mining Veldspar in a friggen Empire system.
Uh...hello???? I can't defend myself in a Hoarder or a Covetor.
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Szprinkoth Sponsz
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:39:00 -
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Hire a merc corp to do it instead of relying on Concord.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:39:00 -
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You could always pay some, ya know, real Mercenaries (or make some friends) to do it instead 
No.
Seriously, is this like the third post like this in three days? Whats with it? Has WoW gone out of business?
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Frug
SYOID
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:39:00 -
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Sort of like paying Mercs or bodyguards
Or you could pay mercs or bodyguards.
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Xavier Raines
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
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Sort of like paying Mercs or bodyguards
Or you could pay mercs or bodyguards.
I like to solo mine and I log on at all hours of the day and night.
Believe it or not, I don't have a real Merc corp at my personal beckon call.
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Szprinkoth Sponsz
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Raines
Originally by: Frug
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Sort of like paying Mercs or bodyguards
Or you could pay mercs or bodyguards.
I like to solo mine and I log on at all hours of the day and night.
Believe it or not, I don't have a real Merc corp at my personal beckon call.
If you pay them, you will.
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Asestorian
Minmatar
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:47:00 -
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What is with all these posts about griefing in high sec recently? So many new, and some not so new, people who just don't understand what EVE is, what high sec is even. High sec, unlike other games, is not designed to be totally safe. Nowhere in EVE, except in a station, is designed to be perfectly safe, actually, I think the tutorial even says that. CCP have designed EVE as it is for a reason, because that's how they like it. EVE is about survival of the fittest, those who can both defend themselves, and have a strong industrial backbone in a corporation. Those are the successful ones.
Nowhere in EVE is safe. Nowhere in EVE will ever be truly safe. Your only choice is to deal with it or quit, because it isn't ever going to change, because the time it does is the time EVE is truly dead.
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Mira deVorsha
Caldari
Boards.ie
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:48:00 -
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Lets go one step further. Why not just let concord do the mining for us and deposit it into the station.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:48:00 -
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Lol, like you'd make enough solo mining in empire to pay mercs, that's laughable...
The merc could go solo NPC'ing in low sec and make more than babysitting a solo miner in high sec...
Not practical IMO...
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Xavier Raines
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian
What is with all these posts about griefing in high sec recently? So many new, and some not so new, people who just don't understand what EVE is, what high sec is even. High sec, unlike other games, is not designed to be totally safe. Nowhere in EVE, except in a station, is designed to be perfectly safe, actually, I think the tutorial even says that. CCP have designed EVE as it is for a reason, because that's how they like it. EVE is about survival of the fittest, those who can both defend themselves, and have a strong industrial backbone in a corporation. Those are the successful ones.
Nowhere in EVE is safe. Nowhere in EVE will ever be truly safe. Your only choice is to deal with it or quit, because it isn't ever going to change, because the time it does is the time EVE is truly dead.
I like how you guys say "just deal with it" but never offer any solutions. At least I came up with an ACTUAL IDEA.
My idea is a decent one because Concord could have offices in the NPC stations and the protection can be offered by pushing a button like you would for the refinery or market. They could have a list of prices for various time periods much like the insurance for ships. {lesser times of course. Probably hourly.}
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DarkFenix
Caldari
Pilots From Honour
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:53:00 -
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Solo mining. There, I just stated the problem in two words. Solo mining.
This is an MMO, which is programmed to benefit those who play as part of a team. If you want to fly around space solo why don't you go play X3 or something.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/01/2007 13:51:26
Originally by: DarkFenix
Solo mining. There, I just stated the problem in two words. Solo mining.
This is an MMO, which is programmed to benefit those who play as part of a team. If you want to fly around space solo why don't you go play X3 or something.
So agent runners & solo PvP'ers should leave this game too?
To maximize profit, agent running & mining are best done solo, that's just the way it is...
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:55:00 -
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I used to (and still do, really) act as mining security for my corp mates. Pretty simple really- I hop in a PvP ship, and I hang around the mining op. If trouble shows up, I throw myself at it while the miners run away. I get paid one full share of the mining op's profits.
That sort of makes me a mining op mercenary, no?
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Xavier Raines
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: DarkFenix
Solo mining. There, I just stated the problem in two words. Solo mining.
This is an MMO, which is programmed to benefit those who play as part of a team. If you want to fly around space solo why don't you go play X3 or something.
Hmm, i didn't realize I was the only person in this entire game who plays solo sometimes. The tutorial never mentioned that I am not allowed to solo mine either....weird.
I guess I should be flogged?
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ifeelit2
Gallente
Just Cloned Again
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:01:00 -
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yeah, sorry but i am going to go with the majority on this.. the ore thieves are part of the risk in hi sec.. there are ways around things... if you solo mine... i suggest you make some friends and figure things out...
and i am not a PvP'er
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kember
Gallente
Orion Faction
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:04:00 -
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If you are in a war decced corp, probably not a good idea to solo mine either.
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Gutsani
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:05:00 -
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You have a war for a reason, ffs .. if you cant win it, you surrender .. else you fight it. Concord to fight for you in a war, is like removing the complete idea of concord ..
What if i want to attack your little mining op with concord protection, will i lose sec status when i attack your bodyguards? Will i be concorded? Why did i declare war on you again?
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Xavier Raines
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gutsani
You have a war for a reason, ffs .. if you cant win it, you surrender .. else you fight it. Concord to fight for you in a war, is like removing the complete idea of concord ..
What if i want to attack your little mining op with concord protection, will i lose sec status when i attack your bodyguards? Will i be concorded? Why did i declare war on you again?
That is a very good question. Why WOULD you declare war on me or my corp? I am not bothering you unless mining Veld is an Ore Barge is somehow a personal insult to you.
Go to low sec or 0.0 if you want to PvP ffs
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:11:00 -
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No one said you can't Solo. Its just that, if you choose to play a multiplayer game solo, you're going to have a tougher time of it. As you are. If you want your life to be easier, don't solo. If you want to solo, be prepared to have more difficulties.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Raines
Originally by: Gutsani
You have a war for a reason, ffs .. if you cant win it, you surrender .. else you fight it. Concord to fight for you in a war, is like removing the complete idea of concord ..
What if i want to attack your little mining op with concord protection, will i lose sec status when i attack your bodyguards? Will i be concorded? Why did i declare war on you again?
That is a very good question. Why WOULD you declare war on me or my corp? I am not bothering you unless mining Veld is an Ore Barge is somehow a personal insult to you.
Go to low sec or 0.0 if you want to PvP ffs
Lack of balls to PvP in 0.0 is usually the problem, so they pick on noob corps in high sec, and CCP fully supports this.
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Miri Tirzan
Caldari
Clan Korval
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: DarkFenix
Solo mining. There, I just stated the problem in two words. Solo mining.
This is an MMO, which is programmed to benefit those who play as part of a team. If you want to fly around space solo why don't you go play X3 or something.
Does someone have self esteem issues? Not able to do anything with out some one holding your hand? Well, some day you too will fill empowered enough to actually go to the water closet without a group of your friends for moral support!
This is a MMOG, it is not a MTO, massive TEAM On-line Game! All play styles are supported and if youÆre too weak to do anything on your own that is your issue. Corps, Alliances, and Empires are all valid forms of play, but then so is solo play. Just because you canÆt does not mean everyone has your limitations or desires.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Xavier Raines
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
No one said you can't Solo. Its just that, if you choose to play a multiplayer game solo, you're going to have a tougher time of it. As you are. If you want your life to be easier, don't solo. If you want to solo, be prepared to have more difficulties.
Uh I already have the "difficulties" of having to haul my own rocks back to the friggen station which cuts down on my already low minning efficiency which means less isk per hour.
I think that is penalty enough for going solo. It isn't like I am making isk hand over fist doing this.
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Mirasta
Caldari
Enigma Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:16:00 -
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Contact me in game an i will be willing to park my alt next to you for hours at a time to protect you from the evil PVPers for minimal cost.
Of couse, You are now reading my sig.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mirasta
Contact me in game an i will be willing to park my alt next to you for hours at a time to protect you from the evil PVPers for minimal cost.
You're going to grief him arent you... 
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Xavier Raines
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Xavier Raines on 16/01/2007 14:15:15
Originally by: Mirasta
Contact me in game an i will be willing to park my alt next to you for hours at a time to protect you from the evil PVPers for minimal cost.
Awesome but instead of protecting me would you mind doing a little hauling instead?
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Barry Cantona
Gallente
Elite Angels
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:20:00 -
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If you dont want to participate in PVP you have chosen the wrong game.
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Treelox
Amarr
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:20:00 -
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Xavier, the best practical advice I can offer is get off the beaten path. Strike out and move to a lesser traveled area of eve. There is plenty of high sec that hardly sees any traffic.
I have been solo mining off and on in high sec for a year now, and only once had an incident. In talking to my fellow miners it seems the ones who have the most problems are the ones that mine in high traffic hub areas, or in systems that are part of the main travel routes. Its only profitable to grief high sec miners if they are concentrated in the same area.
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Rayvonuk
Privateers
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:23:00 -
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Read the other 256743 posts on this subject to find out how to do it, instead of posting yet another. No space is safe space and thats the way it should be.
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Xavier Raines
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Barry Cantona
If you dont want to participate in PVP you have chosen the wrong game.
What are you talking about? I love PvP. When I sell my Veld, I am PvPing on the market.
What I don't like are people who lack a pair ganking me when I am in a Hoarder or Ore Mining barge. Like I said, it is a bit difficult to pvp in those ships for some reason. I think it is because they lack guns but I am not sure.
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Asestorian
Minmatar
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Asestorian on 16/01/2007 14:23:40
Originally by: Miri Tirzan
Originally by: DarkFenix
Solo mining. There, I just stated the problem in two words. Solo mining.
This is an MMO, which is programmed to benefit those who play as part of a team. If you want to fly around space solo why don't you go play X3 or something.
Does someone have self esteem issues? Not able to do anything with out some one holding your hand? Well, some day you too will fill empowered enough to actually go to the water closet without a group of your friends for moral support!
This is a MMOG, it is not a MTO, massive TEAM On-line Game! All play styles are supported and if youÆre too weak to do anything on your own that is your issue. Corps, Alliances, and Empires are all valid forms of play, but then so is solo play. Just because you canÆt does not mean everyone has your limitations or desires.
I doubt he is too weak to do anything on his own. However, as a group things become much easier in EVE. Both in combat and in industry. If you are a solo player and can't defend yourself, the solution is to find friends that can defend you instead. I've solo mined many times in my EVE life. I've solo NPCed, I've solo missioned, and I have tried solo PvP but found it kinda boring.
However, when I work as a group things are easier, things are more fun for me. I personally don't think solo is bad, but going solo then whining because you are at a disadvantage in EVE is something that annoys me. EVE is a game that supports all play styles, including solo, but rewards team play far more. And there really is no reason to change that.
Edit: I just want to say that I don't fully support the ganking of new players in high sec, however, I don't support complaining about it either.
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