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checkmarquet
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:41:00 -
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Hi guys =)
Ok, a friend was mining, in a hi sec system.
When a player with a negative standing came up in belt, targeted him and shooted him very quickly.
Of course he was concordoken, but too late, the mining barge was a wreck.
What was that?
A Insurance ending!
He just lost nothing but a few T1 guns fitted for the run, and his ship got remboursed.
this is insurance scaming.
Why is insurance paying ship destroyed by concord resulting from a aggression to a non-aggressive player?
This should just be removed.
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RaTTuS
BIG
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:43:00 -
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Agressor IMO in empire should never get Insurance payout,
and insurance should be nulled in 0.0
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:50:00 -
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 Originally by: RaTTuS
Agressor IMO in empire should never get Insurance payout,
and insurance should be nulled in 0.0
Agreed
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Nir
The Doldrums
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:50:00 -
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It won't stop suicides from taking place, especially the gate kind which is what most people whinge on about.
15,000k Zydrine versus the cost of replacing an uninsured Armageddon. Do the math. 
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Hehulk
Black Sea Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:51:00 -
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Two things.
First s/he is taking a sec hit, and if s/he keeps it up, they'll lock themselves from high sec.
Second, how do you determine the difference between someone suiciding and someone firing on a neutral instead of a WT by accident?
Solve the second, and I might agree
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checkmarquet
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hehulk
Second, how do you determine the difference between someone suiciding and someone firing on a neutral instead of a WT by accident?
When your about to shoot someone you have a warning message.
If you removed it you can reset it by the ingame options.
So there is no excuses for wrong targeting + shooting.
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Thaneal Swiftbird
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Thaneal Swiftbird on 16/01/2007 13:57:33
Aye, insurance for criminals is ridiculous.
Try to rob a bank, get your car wrecked by the police trying to arrest you, and then ask your insurance to reimburse you. Yeah... right
BTW, whenever there is no law-enforcement availabe to protect people, or law enforcement is incompetent, people tend to react and protect their assets themselves. So... if eve is a dark universe without any safety, why do shipconstructors in this dark universe build barges and industrials like big "please blow me up" balloons? Stupidity? Incompetence? Are they all mad hatters with an affinity for toilet-tissue as armor?
With best regards
Thaneal Swiftbird
Edit: A second thought just hit me. Concord marks you as a criminal and destroys your ship. But they do not arrest you, even though you just murdered/tried to murder someone? You are free to go to the next station, get the next ship and keep on ganking? WTF? 30 days of jail for murder please. All clones, full account. There has to be resposibility for what you do in eve.
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Miri Tirzan
Caldari
Clan Korval
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Miri Tirzan on 16/01/2007 13:57:35
Originally by: Hehulk
Two things.
First s/he is taking a sec hit, and if s/he keeps it up, they'll lock themselves from high sec.
Second, how do you determine the difference between someone suiciding and someone firing on a neutral instead of a WT by accident?
Solve the second, and I might agree
Well, lets take the training wheels off for PvP.
If you start a war, no insurance.
If you argree to have a war, no insurance.
If you get concord ganked, no insurance.
If you start a fight and lose, no insurance.
Insurance does not pay out for intentional or criminal acts.
Basically if you start a conflict or agree to be part of a conflict, no insurance for you. Dont fly what you cannot afford to lose.
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Peter Stuyvesant
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hehulk
how do you determine the difference between someone suiciding and someone firing on a neutral instead of a WT by accident?
Who cares if its accident or not?
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Gutsani
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Gutsani on 16/01/2007 13:58:14
Insurance should just be removed as a whole. Then you can make salvaging interesting ..
Concord is your insurance.
Alot of isk gets sunken from the game if insurance gets removed, which is a GREAT thing. Mostly insurance doesnt cover your lose anyway, especially if you use T2.
As for salvaging, make it a profession which alows you to tow a ship to a station/pos, and pull it apart or repair it, depending on the damage the ship has.
But it wont happen, as its a huge change of game mechanics which will prolly get abused somehow.
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Wyehr
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: checkmarquet
Originally by: Hehulk
Second, how do you determine the difference between someone suiciding and someone firing on a neutral instead of a WT by accident?
When your about to shoot someone you have a warning message.
If you removed it you can reset it by the ingame options.
So there is no excuses for wrong targeting + shooting.
You've obviously never used remote repair systems or repair drones.
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checkmarquet
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Wyehr
Originally by: checkmarquet
Originally by: Hehulk
Second, how do you determine the difference between someone suiciding and someone firing on a neutral instead of a WT by accident?
When your about to shoot someone you have a warning message.
If you removed it you can reset it by the ingame options.
So there is no excuses for wrong targeting + shooting.
You've obviously never used remote repair systems or repair drones.
No, sorry i dont =)
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Snake Jankins
Minmatar
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gutsani
Insurance should just be removed as a whole.
The least that this game needs is more people carebearing/grinding, because they can't replace pvp losses.
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Monkey Spankah
coracao ardente
Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:11:00 -
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Agressor should not get insurance in any part of eve
0.0 insurance should be a higher preium but same payout then high sec. same for low sec but not as high( even though we all know its more dangerouse)
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Widblain
Caldari
BARGES 'R' US
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:11:00 -
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Maybe your friend did use the possibilities the game gives you for increased protection - ie put some hardeners/shield extenders on, which like everything else in this game will affect some other aspect... but I would doubt it.
And removing the insurance is not going to make much difference what will - is stopping the ping-pong macro barges going station-belt-station as they seem to **** off even ppl who have no intention on attacking a real miner - after an attack the lesser intelligent of the macros revert to egg mining which has some entertainment value.
/w
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Jankins
Originally by: Gutsani
Insurance should just be removed as a whole.
The last thing that this game needs is more people carebearing/grinding, because they can't replace pvp losses.
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Asinia Au
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:29:00 -
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I disagree with the OP, and with the idea of changing insurance as a whole.
From day 1 EVE has been about risk vs. reward. The greater the reward, the greater the risk. That is just as true in 1.0 space as it is in 0.0.
If you make yourself a target by filling huge mining barges with valuable minerals with no security, then you are providing a tempting target for someone on the other side of the risk vs. reward equation.
It is not EVE that needs to change, it is the mindset of those who live in the EVE universe.
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Polonium 210
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:31:00 -
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I for one quite happy with current state of insurance.
Cant see how removing insurance for suiciders/for all would improve gameplay of EVE.
Please don't make references on the RL insurance companies.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/01/2007 14:29:59
CCP just needs to change the insurance mechanic. If you die while criminally flagged, you get no insurance payout...
Criminals should not get insurance, bottom line...
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Polonium 210
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/01/2007 14:29:59
CCP just needs to change the insurance mechanic. If you die while criminally flagged, you get no insurance payout...
Criminals should not get insurance, bottom line...
Criminals are just a part of the game, same as miners, npcrs, 0.0 pvpers etc. No better no worse. They are not the thing that should be dealt against with any punishing measures. The game is quite hard for them even _with_ insurance.
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Nir
The Doldrums
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Nir on 16/01/2007 14:36:00
Insurance is a drop in the ocean - NOTHING - compared to the pay off suicide gankers get. By removing insurance for suicide gankers you make a slight dent in their profits but nothing they won't lose sleep over.
So effectively you've achieved.. zero.
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Lucio
Gallente
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:43:00 -
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Maybe suicide ganking should just be banned as part of the EULA as there's very very few good gameplay reasons for it. Probably have to be combined with some form war-dec'ing on individuals though to allow attacks on ppl who move their support structure to NPC corps during wars.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Polonium 210
Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/01/2007 14:29:59
CCP just needs to change the insurance mechanic. If you die while criminally flagged, you get no insurance payout...
Criminals should not get insurance, bottom line...
Criminals are just a part of the game, same as miners, npcrs, 0.0 pvpers etc. No better no worse. They are not the thing that should be dealt against with any punishing measures. The game is quite hard for them even _with_ insurance.
Insurance should be a reward for not getting your ship blown up often, not a reward for blowing it up yourself weekly...
If ppl want to play the game as criminals, they should feel the harsher penalties criminals get in any community, be it on-line or not...
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:49:00 -
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/signed on insurance invalidated for concorded criminals
/signed on remove npc insurance completely - provided that killmail forwarding feature is added so that players can institute their own insurance deals
/signed on any method of removing suicide gankers from NPC corps and forcing them to accept the risk of wardecs for their piracy
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Polonium 210
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
If ppl want to play the game as criminals, they should feel the harsher penalties criminals get in any community, be it on-line or not...
Why do you think so?
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Anderi Bourdieu
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gutsani
Edited by: Gutsani on 16/01/2007 13:58:14
Insurance should just be removed as a whole. Then you can make salvaging interesting ..
Concord is your insurance.
Alot of isk gets sunken from the game if insurance gets removed, which is a GREAT thing. Mostly insurance doesnt cover your lose anyway, especially if you use T2.
As for salvaging, make it a profession which alows you to tow a ship to a station/pos, and pull it apart or repair it, depending on the damage the ship has.
But it wont happen, as its a huge change of game mechanics which will prolly get abused somehow.
And remove all repair modules! Only way to fix armor and hull is to pay for it!
hahaha! 
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Artmedis Valben
Gallente
Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:56:00 -
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Removing insurance payout to criminals will dent their profits, and make them think more about which ships are most cost effective. As it is a platinum insurance makes high sec BSs ganking normal. (a BSs insurance pays out anywhere from 60 mil to 130 mil) Certainly a sum that would make most gankers think twice when choosing targets.
The weirdest gate camp I have heard of is several Pirates with no access to high sec clearing a gate of CONCORD and ganking everything for a while. This happened a week ago at the Niarja-Madilimere gate. Quite a feat actually, unless CONCORD was broken. If you look at the map you see that they would have to fight their way through a couple of systems and shoot down dosens of CONCORD ships along the way.
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Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:56:00 -
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/signed on invalidating insurance if a) you committed a crime and b) CONCORD pwned your ass
I would still have it pay out if you attack another player and that player kills you though. Insurance is there in part for the silly mistakes you make, and shotting someone who pwns you was a mistake.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.16 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Polonium 210
Originally by: DarkMatter
If ppl want to play the game as criminals, they should feel the harsher penalties criminals get in any community, be it on-line or not...
Why do you think so?
More challenging?
The whole point of an RPG?
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Thaneal Swiftbird
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Posted - 2007.01.16 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Polonium 210
Originally by: DarkMatter
If ppl want to play the game as criminals, they should feel the harsher penalties criminals get in any community, be it on-line or not...
Why do you think so?
Because otherwise the artifical society of eve (and therefor the whole game) is broken?
Would you play football with someone who repeatedly kicks you in your balls? What do you think why every game has rules and unwritten "stuff you are just not supposed to do, otherwise people will call you an *******"?
Why care to have a sci-fi setup with background story and all, just to let it go down the drain for some stupid gankers. I have said it before. We have nations in this game. Pirates are hurting the economies of those nations, killing their citizens (who pay them taxes btw), making them more vulnerable to attacks from the other nations. But they do not put any sanctions on the baddies? They even let insurance companies pay reimbursements to the murderers? Yeah, very likely.
With best regards
Thaneal Swiftbird
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