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Umar Umarhabib
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.22 23:51:32 -
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I was wondering what I can do to make Eve Online PvP more fun.
For the first few years of playing Eve Online, I've concentrated on Trading, Industry, and making ISK. Now I have enough to fly pretty much whatever I want, so for the last few months I've been concentrating on PvP, and I haven't done any ISK making activities at all.
1. I started out PvP'ing to get the best KB Ratio that I could. But that became boring quickly, because as long as you join Alliance CTA's where you're a DPS grunt flying a battlecruiser, you'll end up with a 95%+ KB ratio. I also started thinking that large fleets are boring because the kills are not very satisfying. Even if it's a juicy kill, there are 30 of us ganking a single target. So I stopped joining large fleets.
2. I joined a few small gang camps, but I started finding those boring because you're just trying to catch solo ships in a bubble. Smaller ships and gangs would always hide or run away from you, and you would always run away from slightly larger gangs (Even if I want to engage, other fellow fleets members don't for the fear of losing ships - either because they don't want to lose ISK or because they care about their KB ratio).
3. I did some solo bubble camping / roaming in a cloaky, where I would kill a single Stealth Bomber here, a single tech 3 destroyer there. When a large fleets come in I would run away. But that also got boring, because the strategy of picking off single vulnerable targets by yourself only yields about 1 - 2 kills for 2 hours (if you're lucky). And also most of the kills are just 30 - 40 million ISK destroyers after all.
All this is in 0.0 by the way.
4. So recently, I've started solo flying Deadspace fitted Faction cruisers / battleships. I would pick fights with small fleets (5 - 15 people). I would look at their fleet composition with my scout, and if I think it would be a close fight, I would engage.
This method has gotten me into some pretty fun and adrenaline rushing fights. Sometimes I would kill 4 - 5 ships then escape. Other times I would kill 4 - 5 ships, then the enemy fleet would run away.
However, there are just as many times when their allies from 2 system over would come and join the fight, and I would get ganked by 30 people. They would get all excited because they just got a juicy 3 Billion ISK killmail, while I engaged in the first place out of boredom. Because it's either that, or station spin.
And the thing is, every time I die with a juicy dead space set up, it becomes harder to fly solo. The local enemies that wander the system know you like to fly solo in Deadspace fittings, and they would bring ships especially to counter you - so they can make their Killboard stats look pretty. Because they don't care like I do, that they are just one of 30 ships on the kill mail. (It's also for this reason, that I didn't whore in on the kill mail of the free Titan kill event a few weeks back, because what's the point?)
But after losing about 30 Billion ISK of ships this way, this method has also become boring. So what else is there left for me to do?
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Memphis Baas
834
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Posted - 2015.12.22 23:57:58 -
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Form a PVP corp, get some newbies, and lead / FC them to greatness.
Besides the combat mechanics (which you've thoroughly explored through the PVP), the other part of the game is player interaction / politics and making a name for yourself or your corp / alliance / group of people. |
Kieron VonDeux
105
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Posted - 2015.12.23 00:02:41 -
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Become a bitter vet forum whore who complains endlessly on how the game could be better, and be ignored by everyone except other bitter vet forum whores who have different opinions than you.
One of the worse things about this game is the hint that it could be something so much better. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9686
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Posted - 2015.12.23 00:08:14 -
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Umar Umarhabib wrote:I was wondering what I can do to make Eve Online PvP more fun.
Play with a blindfold on?
Or just come to terms with the fact that PVP in EVE compared to most games is boring. Period. While an effective means to an end, the actual act of ship fighting is more akin to playing checkers than an FPS game or a decent flight sim. Neither of which can be played while holding a slice of pizza in one hand like this game.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9851
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Posted - 2015.12.23 00:14:52 -
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When a man is tired of PVP, he is tired of life.
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Max Muni
Muni Corp
5
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Posted - 2015.12.23 01:11:09 -
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Very funny post indeed.
You should log out and take a break from game if this isn't a troll post. The game is no different for PVP or PVE, it's all a numbers game with false chest pounding thrown in.
EVE will never be competitive for the solo player who wants real Player VS Player, never! It's just not that kind of game.
It will always be Player VS Players
Best wishes for the holidays. |
Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
565
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Posted - 2015.12.23 01:40:30 -
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PvP in all games is mindless repetition. It's even mindless repetition in professional boxing - a true PvP game. Oh yeah, it's captivating when you're new, and learning - then developing your own toon, then getting the wherewithal to outfit yourself properly at last. But, when at last all this done, it's just mindless button mashing. Go ahead and tell that lie - no no no it's MORE! Sure it is.
Building an actual empire with all the features EVE has at your (possible) command, growing and expanding until you bump into the borders of someone else doing the same thing, then firing up a fleet to defend your own interests, or possibly expand them by taking that system with that mining potential, is ALSO a form of PvP and is NOT mindless repetition.
It must be a case of, with EVE, just how you go about it. It also must account for why such a small percentage of internet gamers PvP. I might hasten to add, there is a "treaty" between the two "largest" forces in EVE to control a mineral or two significant in building T2 ships to sell. This to ensure they don't have to fight each other.
What that means is, the loudest mouths yelling "Let's PVP you risk averse shmucks" are actually the most risk averse in the game, as they have agreed with each other to NOT fight over the resources, and have devoted themselves to backing a penny ante GANKING party in high sec - CODE for "We suck. Don't tell our moms."
So, with this level of hypocrisy why are we still pretending we actually discuss this PVP thing? It's certainly not to explore the issue. Maybe it's to pretend it's something we actually do in EVE!
There just isn't anything that can be said!
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Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1185
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Posted - 2015.12.23 01:40:33 -
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Solo as you described it is exactly right, i have some crazy losses because i roll around for an hour or two and throw my ship at the first thing that doesn't look like outnumbered or outclassed. Since you've done the fleets, small gang, camps and solo the next level is building a corp then deploying to places and wrecking them. You can disrupt the activities of a constellation with a competent crew of 20 or so. Decide to work for a larger group, or pick some poor schmucks and see if they'll escalate to caps. Have some of those big-toy killboard-carebear types on the batphone and consequences will never be the same. Small groups that wrinkle the map are my favourite because they very often concentrate skills and experience without giving too many forks.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7066
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Posted - 2015.12.23 02:26:04 -
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Fit up an assault frigate, no Deadspace mods, and roam lowsec solo. Works for me.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28300
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Posted - 2015.12.23 02:28:23 -
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I was laughing so hard while reading this ...
... you really deserve my Like.
Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach. Outnumbered.
536
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Posted - 2015.12.23 03:28:39 -
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Get some normal t1 cruisers, go to low sec, get fights against pirates and FW ppl, problem solved.
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2241
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Posted - 2015.12.23 03:34:32 -
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Kieron VonDeux wrote:One of the worse things about this game is the hint that it could be something so much better.
but it could! if only CCP would just do this, that, and the other thing!
@ChainsawPlankto
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1792
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Posted - 2015.12.23 03:41:57 -
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yah .. problem with playing in a sandbox is you get sand in the most unfortunate places and their is a limit to what you can do with sand anyway |
Negativly
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.12.23 03:47:59 -
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Start building an Empire.
Corp
Alliance
Coalition
God of Eve
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Matrea D
Maggie's Magical Miners Maggie's Magical Malliance
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Posted - 2015.12.23 03:50:39 -
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I don't see suicide ganking on your list. |
Nyx Garage
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.12.23 08:34:31 -
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Get thanatos, drop thanatos, repeat. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1942
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Posted - 2015.12.23 09:16:23 -
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Taking a break, change your PvP style (become unpredictable), or better doing something completely different may help ... I recently started having fun exploring again, and plan to do some missioning after the holidays. Change and breaks keep my game fresh. There was a time I attended almost every NPSI fleet, every evening, all weekend long, plus solo roaming in between, while it was a rush ... after a short (forced) break I didn't feel like logging in anymore, and had to find a reason, new idea first, to get back into the game. Since then I significantly reduced my EvE time, which feels much healthier now.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2174
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Posted - 2015.12.23 09:23:07 -
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join a small group where you dont just press f1 on the broadcasts, you actually pilot your ship, thats pretty fun
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
261
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Posted - 2015.12.23 09:28:44 -
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killboards should divide a kill (ISK-amount of a, that is) by the number of people that took part in the killing. |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28309
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Posted - 2015.12.23 09:29:54 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:yah .. problem with playing in a sandbox is you get sand in the most unfortunate places and their is a limit to what you can do with sand anyway And it hurts a lot when it's at the wrong place, at the wrong time!
Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1936
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Posted - 2015.12.23 09:40:32 -
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OP, your approach is all wrong (given that you're bored by it). You've been gate camping, you've been blobbing (on a small scale) and you've been using funky ships with alts. In all those situations you've actively chosen to have the upper hand right from the start. You have been relying on numbers and ship quality/cost and always made sure that you were in control. That is normally a smart thing to do but it also makes it boring.
Don't.
Start flying where you have to rely on your capabilities. Don't use alts, don't fly expensive overpowered ships because they don't make fighting more interesting (people just use that excuse to fly something they know will kill most folks). Fly simple basic stuff, T1 frigates (you'd be surprised how many kills you can get with solo T1 frigs), get a CBC with MJD fit for scram range. Force yourself to compete in a battle of the mind, not a battle of the alts or wallet. CHOOSE to be the underdog.
It's cheaper to fly that way, it's more challenging to fight that way, there's less preparation and planning involved (which normally is a good thing). It really is more fun that way, I have many alts and 2 of them do just this, one in WHs and one in 0.0. I'm very much a control freak and normally will eliminate any sort of variables or unknowns and I do enjoy that but I also need breaks from it where I go grab a ship, head out in the unknown just to see how far I can make it.
Pure piloting, no crutches.
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28310
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Posted - 2015.12.23 09:43:45 -
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Best troll of December. ^_^
Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2015.12.23 11:51:55 -
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Lots of other devs went about trying to make an MMORTS the wrong way.
EVE and some similar games got it closer to right than MMOStarcraft-like games.
A signature :o
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Netan MalDoran
Last Garrison
172
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Posted - 2015.12.23 18:43:08 -
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Umar Umarhabib wrote: I started out PvP'ing to get the best KB Ratio that I could.
Problem #1, stop caring about KB's
Umar Umarhabib wrote: But that became boring quickly, because as long as you join Alliance CTA's where you're a DPS grunt flying a battlecruiser
Problem #2, get out of large fleet blobs!
Umar Umarhabib wrote: I joined a few small gang camps ... I did some solo bubble camping
Problem #3, quit gatecamping! (Unless its a drunk comm party! XD)
Umar Umarhabib wrote: All this is in 0.0 by the way.
Problem #4, need I say anything? (NPC null can be fun though!)
Umar Umarhabib wrote: So recently, I've started solo flying Deadspace fitted Faction cruisers / battleships. ... The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
BIG Problem #5, NEVER use those kinds of fits unless you're a trillionare (In EvE or rl), many of us experienced solo PvPers mainly use frigs and dessies (Sometimes cruisers). No point in being blingy.
Stock up on some frigs and dessies and head out to FW lowsec and try to pick solo fights, it kept me in the game, you have just gone about PvP the wrongest way possible! making it expensive and boring for you.
"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!
Falcon's truth
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
996
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Posted - 2015.12.23 19:28:41 -
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Join RvB, FC, and Master the art of herding cats! |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28428
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Posted - 2015.12.23 19:47:54 -
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People keep biting and biting and biting...
Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
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Netan MalDoran
Last Garrison
172
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Posted - 2015.12.23 19:53:34 -
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Solecist Project wrote: People keep biting and biting and biting...
Nice quote! XD
"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!
Falcon's truth
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3787
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Posted - 2015.12.23 20:00:31 -
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The OP is and always has been in an NPC corp. |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
28429
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Posted - 2015.12.23 20:19:30 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:Solecist Project wrote: People keep biting and biting and biting...
Nice quote! XD Just the truth, but thanks. :) OP is a troll... most people don't realize, as usual... :)
I had a great laugh, not complaining. (:
Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
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W33b3l
The Scope Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2015.12.23 20:32:34 -
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Troll or not.
Just fly cheaper ships so you can put yourself in more danger without worrying about it. Kill mails might not be as pretty, but you'll have more interactions.
Unless you are a sly pirate (and even most the time if you are) PVP isnt about making money its about having fun. We used to watch parts of space where smaller alliances put up Costumes offices and towers in lowsec trying to get a hold on the system. When they wherent looking we would fly in and blow up a bunch of there stuff. Got some loot out of it as well. They thought we where trying to push them out and use the space for ourselves. We where not. We where just being a thorn in there side for the fun of it. Our CEO got a few mails saying they wouldn't let us anchor anything and even got a wardec out of it. We just laughed are rear ends off (among ourselves) since we had no plans to do that and just kept messing with them. We never had a loss lol.
Im not a highsec ganker, I think thats lame unless you have strategic reason for it, but sneaking up on people in other places and popping them before they know what even happened always gets a laugh as well. Just gotta find what makes you giggle and not worry about what the KM looks like. |
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