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Project2502	Posted - 2007.01.18 04:40:00 - [1] Edited by: Project2502 on 18/01/2007 04:36:52 I'm about as mad as I have ever been with this game. I put a drone link on my domi. I put a drone nav computer on it. I put three drone omni trackers. I put a drone scope chip rig on it. I have 6 million SP in drones: every drone skill available to level 5 except for the four racial drone skills which are all at level 4. So, you'd think that I could kick some serious behind with all that. Well I cant. I checked the stats on a hobgoblin II using a ZERO skillpoint character, just to see where the base starting point is at. The important stats were as follows: sheild cap 67 armor hp 144 act prox 1000 acc falloff 2000 tracking speed 2.178 rad/sec max velocity 3360 rate of fire 2.0 sec opt range 1000 damage mod 1.92x sig res 25m orbit velocity 660 I then checked the same drone's stats, in 'docked ship', 'undocked ship', 'undocked with drones deployed' and 'undocked with drones attacking a target' fashion, using my charactor with all the goodies on the domi, and 6 mil in drone skills. I got the exact SAME results. The same as with a zero skillpoint charactor. So that means: 1. Racial drone skills are not working, or the 4 levels of 2% damage would show up. 2. Drone durability skill is not working, because the shield, armor and hull hitpoints did not increase. 3. Combat drone operation is not working because drone damage did not increase by 10% per level for 5 levels. 4. Drone navigation skill is not working because the drone velocity did not increase by 5% per level for 5 levels. 5. Drone sharpshooting is not working because the optimal range did not increase by 5% per level for 5 levels. 6. The drone nav computer doesn't work because the drones are going no faster than before. 7. The omnidirectional tracking link is not working because max speed and targeting speed did not increase by 1.2x when I added 1.. or 2.. or even 3 of the units to my midslots. 8. The drone scope rig, which not only took a month to collect the salvage parts to build, but required additional skill purchases and training to use it - which is now plugged into the domi, taking up one of the rig slots, impossible to remove to use later - is not working because the optimal range of the drones did not change at all. So.. thus far.. we're talking about months and months of training, a whole lot of isk in skills and materials/mods/blueprints.. all to find out that the skills account for nothing at all. Am I doing something wrong here? Or, are drones THAT nerfed? I never saw this kind of problem before the new patch. It seems all drone skills are worthless - other than those that will allow you to use a certain number of drones or a certain type of drone. The skills that are available to increase damage/tracking/speed/optimal/range, as well as all of the mods that do the same - just dont seem to be working. Or is it me?
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2007.01.18 04:43:00 - [2] Its you. You cant check the stats on your drones with skills/mods in any way. You will always just get the default stats if you pull up the info screen. You just have to do the calculations or shoot a buddy to figure out the difference. Ill tell you this though, the drones on my Moros do a hell of a lot more than any other ship i or my friends have. So yes, bonuses from skills and modules do work, you just cant see them. Arrow Capital Ship Sales
Vaslav Tchitcherine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.18 04:44:00 - [3] Drone stats are not updated based on your skills when you check info. This is a known bug (or "unintended design feature" as we like to call them) and has been for a very long time. The skills do work, trust me. You can do some experiments and do the maths yourself if you like. v. Star Fraction is recruiting: come join the Yarrletariat!
Thews Mortaza Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.01.18 04:45:00 - [4] Edited by: Thews Mortaza on 18/01/2007 04:42:15 I suspect this is more a case of skills/module changes simply don't show up on the drones. Same thing with how certain skills effect rockets/missiles, but the missiles stats don't actually reflect the new values, even though there is a difference in behaviour that reflects the skills working. EDIT: Wow, it took about 30 seconds to type it out and I was beaten to the punch twice, (Sig) Your momma so fat ... when I tried to scoop her to my cargo hold, she don't fit !
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.18 04:45:00 - [5] u didnt train calderi which is still uber silly u ( actually the t2 drones NOS drones ECM and sentry drones make a good backup to any gallente ship)
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2007.01.18 04:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Project2502 Or is it me? It's you. Originally by: Diana Marc Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.18 04:48:00 - [7] u train up gal blaster and railgun skills then go drones.
franny Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2007.01.18 04:52:00 - [8] one of the devs(I think it was Tux) said it was a bug and would be fixed eventually... I don't recomend holding your breath as others stated tho, the skills do work, there is a noticable difference in a t1 hvy drone from me in my domi vs my alt in her domi(not using T2's as it ws an unfare compare between the 2) me - gal BS 5, hvy drones 4, di 5 her - di 4(was 3 when I did the last test), gal bs 1, hvy drones 1 but she's an industrial alt, she's trained for the domi on the days I need to mine and it's to laggy for the covetor CEO - PKKP Recruitment
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.18 04:55:00 - [9] rigs can help to
Benglada Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 05:04:00 - [10] 9. You realised after 3 years, That regardless of whether youv trained the skills or not, it doesent show, regardless if it appyls? --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends. Sig nerfz0r - maximum allowed siz0r is 24000 bytz0r. - Devil ([email protected]) Sig By Ortos
tiewan	Posted - 2007.01.18 05:12:00 - [11] It's cute when people get mad as hell over nothing :)
Daddy's Belt Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.18 05:13:00 - [12] Drones are for wimps. Someone's gonna get a buttwhippin'!
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2007.01.18 05:16:00 - [13] ROFL! I don't believe that a player that was in game for 3 years didnt realize that, so the only explanation is that the character is bought. Funny how people with such high skills have no freaking clue how to use them since they buy their way =================================== Above comments are my personal views Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.18 05:18:00 - [14] storm in a teacup
ataupe Nightgliders	Posted - 2007.01.18 05:18:00 - [15] There is a way to see the effects of missile skills. If you check info on your ship while in space, then go under the modules section, then scroll down towards the bottom of the list till you find the missiles themselves, checking info there will show the effects of skills as far as flight time and velocity (ie, more range). Can't say I ever looked for drones on that list, though.
Project2502	Posted - 2007.01.18 06:05:00 - [16] Ah.. so it's just a non-issue then. But was worth bringing up. Sorry, not a bought account there fanboy. I just dont live on EvE 24/7. I've got a life. See ya in space :)
Assur Minmatar Stronghold corp Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 06:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Project2502 Ah.. so it's just a non-issue then. But was worth bringing up. Sorry, not a bought account there fanboy. I just dont live on EvE 24/7. I've got a life. See ya in space :) You speak crazy talk... There is no life outside of eve....
Benglada Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 06:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Project2502 Ah.. so it's just a non-issue then. But was worth bringing up. Sorry, not a bought account there fanboy. I just dont live on EvE 24/7. I've got a life. See ya in space :) BLASPHEMY..get the crucifix --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends. Sig nerfz0r - maximum allowed siz0r is 24000 bytz0r. - Devil ([email protected]) Sig By Ortos
Haffrage Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.18 06:35:00 - [19] Spending the time to get 6 million SP in drones, investigating far enough to think you found out they don't apply, complaining on the game's forums Sure ya do -----
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2007.01.18 07:17:00 - [20] Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 18/01/2007 07:14:37 you trained 6 mil SP in drones and only now have noticed that the stats don't update? Didn't you ever use them while training those skills? sounds fishy. character name contributes as well btw :)
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.18 08:28:00 - [21] This is very amusing
Skaz Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.18 08:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Project2502 Ah.. so it's just a non-issue then. But was worth bringing up. Sorry, not a bought account there fanboy. I just dont live on EvE 24/7. I've got a life. See ya in space :) life? - - PINK PINK PINK PINK
Jaggeh Salvage Team And Rig Suppliers	Posted - 2007.01.18 09:58:00 - [23] i only have 3.2m in drones and even i know that. time to get your calc out :) --------------------------------------- Carpe Pugya Pyga - Seize the Buttocks
Monica Foulkes RevoLution Of DarkNess	Posted - 2007.01.18 11:29:00 - [24] Edited by: Monica Foulkes on 18/01/2007 11:31:40 At that skill level, theoretically, five Ogre II on a Dominix (if you have BS5) will produce 466DPS. Get the racial skill to lvl 5 and you will do 475DPS. The only way to verify the damage output is to use two ships, one with a good tank and the drone boat. Engage the tanking ship for a minute and check it's log in combat log analyzer and you can calculate the received damage. Edit: When I tested to shoot a Typhoon with a Dominix/OgreII combo I produced about 433DPS out of the theoretical 466DPS. Just remember to include the resists on the tanking ship when testing this.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.01.18 11:53:00 - [25] Only things that don't work right now are drone rigs. I forget which dev said it, probably Oveur. ---------------- 1337 = I III III VII Cookie = Confectionary Discus If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent whil
Corbin Devereux Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.01.18 12:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Project2502 Edited by: Project2502 on 18/01/2007 04:36:52 I'm about as mad as I have ever been with this game. I put a drone link on my domi. I put a drone nav computer on it. I put three drone omni trackers. I put a drone scope chip rig on it. I have 6 million SP in drones: every drone skill available to level 5 except for the four racial drone skills which are all at level 4. So, you'd think that I could kick some serious behind with all that. Well I cant. I checked the stats on a hobgoblin II using a ZERO skillpoint character, just to see where the base starting point is at. The important stats were as follows: sheild cap 67 armor hp 144 act prox 1000 acc falloff 2000 tracking speed 2.178 rad/sec max velocity 3360 rate of fire 2.0 sec opt range 1000 damage mod 1.92x sig res 25m orbit velocity 660 I then checked the same drone's stats, in 'docked ship', 'undocked ship', 'undocked with drones deployed' and 'undocked with drones attacking a target' fashion, using my charactor with all the goodies on the domi, and 6 mil in drone skills. I got the exact SAME results. The same as with a zero skillpoint charactor. So that means: 1. Racial drone skills are not working, or the 4 levels of 2% damage would show up. 2. Drone durability skill is not working, because the shield, armor and hull hitpoints did not increase. 3. Combat drone operation is not working because drone damage did not increase by 10% per level for 5 levels. 4. Drone navigation skill is not working because the drone velocity did not increase by 5% per level for 5 levels. 5. Drone sharpshooting is not working because the optimal range did not increase by 5% per level for 5 levels. 6. The drone nav computer doesn't work because the drones are going no faster than before. 7. The omnidirectional tracking link is not working because max speed and targeting speed did not increase by 1.2x when I added 1.. or 2.. or even 3 of the units to my midslots. 8. The drone scope rig, which not only took a month to collect the salvage parts to build, but required additional skill purchases and training to use it - which is now plugged into the domi, taking up one of the rig slots, impossible to remove to use later - is not working because the optimal range of the drones did not change at all. So.. thus far.. we're talking about months and months of training, a whole lot of isk in skills and materials/mods/blueprints.. all to find out that the skills account for nothing at all. Am I doing something wrong here? Or, are drones THAT nerfed? I never saw this kind of problem before the new patch. It seems all drone skills are worthless - other than those that will allow you to use a certain number of drones or a certain type of drone. The skills that are available to increase damage/tracking/speed/optimal/range, as well as all of the mods that do the same - just dont seem to be working. Or is it me? Guess you bought your character? If not you're by far the most ignorant vet i've ever seen. The drone skills work fine. The drone show info does not. It's been this way for ages. Get your facts straight before you throw a fit next time. It would be alot more productive to assist me and the others in spamming bug reports about it.
Ebodhisatva Gallente hunter killers	Posted - 2007.01.18 12:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Dahak2150 Only things that don't work right now are drone rigs. I forget which dev said it, probably Oveur. I got 2 drone range rigs fitted on my ishtar and they work, I tried that with letting my drones attack at 90km+ and they do attack. Don't know about the other rigs though... ------------------- Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, you will not be counting days, or months, or years but milleniums in
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.18 12:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Project2502 Ah.. so it's just a non-issue then. But was worth bringing up. Sorry, not a bought account there fanboy. I just dont live on EvE 24/7. I've got a life. See ya in space :) Because you need to grind 24/7 to get skills up in eve...oh, wait.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.01.18 12:38:00 - [29] You cannot look at the true stats of your drones in game. This has been petitioned and complained about for ages, the devs have promised to fix it several times and never did. The only way to check the effects of the modules, rigs etc. is to look at the behaviour of the drones, e.g.: - put drones on overview and look at their MWD speed / orbit speed - observe wrecking hits in combat logs, the damage should be 3 x the calculated damage per hit (take resistances into account)
Malcanis	Posted - 2007.01.18 13:34:00 - [30] Originally by: ataupe There is a way to see the effects of missile skills. If you check info on your ship while in space, then go under the modules section, then scroll down towards the bottom of the list till you find the missiles themselves, checking info there will show the effects of skills as far as flight time and velocity (ie, more range). Can't say I ever looked for drones on that list, though. Oh hey thanks man, that's very handy!
Flitz Farseeker Gallente Eve guardians	Posted - 2007.01.18 14:15:00 - [31] Guess I must be imagining the effects of all those skills cos my drones seem to chew through ships a lot faster these days - especially since training up drone interfacing.
sycokill Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.18 14:35:00 - [32] Originally by: ataupe There is a way to see the effects of missile skills. If you check info on your ship while in space, then go under the modules section, then scroll down towards the bottom of the list till you find the missiles themselves, checking info there will show the effects of skills as far as flight time and velocity (ie, more range). Can't say I ever looked for drones on that list, though. too bad it doesn't show the true damage output, they only show how the skills affect it but not the modules such as BCU and rigs.
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.18 15:08:00 - [33] Originally by: sycokill Originally by: ataupe There is a way to see the effects of missile skills. If you check info on your ship while in space, then go under the modules section, then scroll down towards the bottom of the list till you find the missiles themselves, checking info there will show the effects of skills as far as flight time and velocity (ie, more range). Can't say I ever looked for drones on that list, though. too bad it doesn't show the true damage output, they only show how the skills affect it but not the modules such as BCU and rigs. Actually, yes they do.
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.18 15:45:00 - [34] Originally by: Project2502 Edited by: Project2502 on 18/01/2007 04:36:52 I'm about as mad as I have ever been with this game. I put a drone link on my domi. I put a drone nav computer on it. I put three drone omni trackers. I put a drone scope chip rig on it. I have 6 million SP in drones: every drone skill available to level 5 except for the four racial drone skills which are all at level 4. So, you'd think that I could kick some serious behind with all that. Well I cant. I checked the stats on a hobgoblin II using a ZERO skillpoint character, just to see where the base starting point is at. The important stats were as follows: sheild cap 67 armor hp 144 act prox 1000 acc falloff 2000 tracking speed 2.178 rad/sec max velocity 3360 rate of fire 2.0 sec opt range 1000 damage mod 1.92x sig res 25m orbit velocity 660 I then checked the same drone's stats, in 'docked ship', 'undocked ship', 'undocked with drones deployed' and 'undocked with drones attacking a target' fashion, using my charactor with all the goodies on the domi, and 6 mil in drone skills. I got the exact SAME results. The same as with a zero skillpoint charactor. So that means: 1. Racial drone skills are not working, or the 4 levels of 2% damage would show up. 2. Drone durability skill is not working, because the shield, armor and hull hitpoints did not increase. 3. Combat drone operation is not working because drone damage did not increase by 10% per level for 5 levels. 4. Drone navigation skill is not working because the drone velocity did not increase by 5% per level for 5 levels. 5. Drone sharpshooting is not working because the optimal range did not increase by 5% per level for 5 levels. 6. The drone nav computer doesn't work because the drones are going no faster than before. 7. The omnidirectional tracking link is not working because max speed and targeting speed did not increase by 1.2x when I added 1.. or 2.. or even 3 of the units to my midslots. 8. The drone scope rig, which not only took a month to collect the salvage parts to build, but required additional skill purchases and training to use it - which is now plugged into the domi, taking up one of the rig slots, impossible to remove to use later - is not working because the optimal range of the drones did not change at all. So.. thus far.. we're talking about months and months of training, a whole lot of isk in skills and materials/mods/blueprints.. all to find out that the skills account for nothing at all. Am I doing something wrong here? Or, are drones THAT nerfed? I never saw this kind of problem before the new patch. It seems all drone skills are worthless - other than those that will allow you to use a certain number of drones or a certain type of drone. The skills that are available to increase damage/tracking/speed/optimal/range, as well as all of the mods that do the same - just dont seem to be working. Or is it me? hay guyz my raven can only lock at like 3km whats the deal ===This is a sig=== "no matter where you are or what you're doing, you know that down in the southeast, LV and RA are trying to stab each other in the face." -- Cadiz ==============
Live Eye	Posted - 2007.01.18 16:36:00 - [35] Edited by: Live Eye on 18/01/2007 16:32:58 Originally by: Daddy's Belt Drones are for wimps. Heh, drones are the most efficient way of doing missions, the most versitile way of dealing with different resistance / size / speed / distance of pvp ships and all in all take less time to train to get a great deal of use out of them than conventional weapons. Oh yeah, and drone users can use guns/missiles at the same time. How many medical bays have you awoken in chanting your little "drones are for wimps" mantra?... Live Eye
Captin Lawdogg Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.18 16:44:00 - [36] Honestly I find it hard to beleive that you have been playing for 3 years and post a thread like this. I'm training drone skills right now and I notice a huge difference after training drone durability, I've never even examined the drone stats you can tell the difference by simply killing a rat in a belt. wtf?
Project2502	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:18:00 - [37] Wow.. seems a lot of people automatically jump to the conclusion that, since I was unaware the drone skills were actually working (even though they dont cause any changes to the info on drones), I must have 'bought' my account. Since some people still brought that up, even after I said that was an incorrect assumption, I'll just chalk the remaining accusers up as 'cant read'. No, I never did check 'along the way' so that I would notice the skills not improving the info screen readouts. One, because I didn't think a couple percent here and there was worth drooling over. I was waiting till I was 'done' so that I could see a huge difference (suprise suprise). Two, because I've got a second account that was more interesting to fly with - not a 'science geek'. So when I did get a chance to sign on, it was with that account. I'm glad some folks have had a laugh out of this thread.. no doubt my frustrations were unwarranted.. but hey.. I was ticked off. I dont live in the game, nor do I live in the forums, so I had no clue what was going on. I'm happy to read that it's just a display glitch (of sorts). Guess I'll run both accts at once and see what kind of damage is being done. You'll have to give me a Mulligan on this one :) See ya in space :)
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:25:00 - [38] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: ataupe There is a way to see the effects of missile skills. If you check info on your ship while in space, then go under the modules section, then scroll down towards the bottom of the list till you find the missiles themselves, checking info there will show the effects of skills as far as flight time and velocity (ie, more range). Can't say I ever looked for drones on that list, though. Oh hey thanks man, that's very handy! You can also be in space and right click the module itself, show info. It applies skills there as well. ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:14:00 - [39] Originally by: Raste Originally by: Project2502 ... hay guyz my raven can only lock at like 3km whats the deal now THAT was thread of the YEAR! __ Weirda Join QotSA
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Project2502 You'll have to give me a Mulligan on this one :) mulligan granted... but you better get eagle next time! you have to admit - you OP is very entertaining, for sheer anxiety level contain within! __ Weirda Join QotSA
Project2502	Posted - 2007.01.18 21:51:00 - [41] Yep, anxiety level overload admitted :) I'm kind of wondering if the devs have something against drones in general. I understood when they made the modifications way back, when the total number of drones in space, per ship, was reduced, as well as drone bay volume. It was to combat potential lag caused by so many additional items on a grid. We dealt with that well enough I think. The increases to drone stats pretty much balanced out the 'ten drones in space' aspect of it all. I can even kind of give a 'pass' on the fact that skill bonuses are not showing up on info screens. But when it streches past that, and into the ship mods/rigs themselves, it makes me think drones are considered the 'next thing to go' by the devs (which would be a shame for those who have so much invested in them) My armor pump rig worked correctly, and it's effects showed up when checking the stats of the AR mod. I've seen that most other rigs are showing up as expected too. But I saw a thread about the sentry damage rig not working.. which was rig number '3' that was going to be put on my domi. Now I'm not so sure I want to try it yet. Sadly, I already put the drone scope rig on the ship - and it is potentially among the 'doesnt work' pile of drone stuff as well. I cant take it off and replace it with something else.. Guess I have to wait and see if it ever gets fixed (if it really is non-functional in the first place). From the looks of all the other patch-related bugs (evemail being the most common pain to us all right now), I get a feeling drone problems are far far away from any dev-attention. Oh.. and why dont my mines work? (j/k) Pro

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