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Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.01.18 11:38:00 - [1] Edited by: Splagada on 18/01/2007 11:36:11 For about a month i'm "done" in my primary skills, all ready with T2 guns and fittings and all, greatly enjoying the "AT LAST" feeling. polishing BS skills and all still but the main work is done. so well i went in pvp operations to defend our little space and such. first fight, ok say bye to my ship second fight, ok i died again third, ok... there is something there each time it wasnt blobs, it was perfectly balanced fights, 2vs2, 10vs10 or 1vs1 i realized i was starting to climb the pvp experience learning curve... and omg its a hard one lol Last night, FINALLY i got my first kill. i also died but damn i fought some very skilled guys. not in huge ships, but i clearly saw them move away, come back just out of my range, run away again and come back again but this time with a friend, drive you nuts while you try to chase them just to lure you in a trap etc. switching ammo types, clearly knowing my ship and fitting in a very short time While i sure wanted their pods, i also was very impressed that its not a "point and click" game at all. it really requires calm, balance, knowledge and all An entire learning curve started, and here ends the hope to get my social life back !!!! ------ Testing the waters for alliances
Rina Shanu Computer-Aided General Exploitation	Posted - 2007.01.18 12:10:00 - [2] Hahahaha, don't you know eve never ends And yeah, that is great about pvp, like charging a thorax at close range... instead of trying to keep out of his.... or not stopping the mwd on the inty on time... knowing your stabber has less cap than that other cruiser and just in the end he gets you i nweb range... >> JOIN CAGE <<
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.18 12:16:00 - [3] Glad you're having fun and not crying like most forum posters. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Sacul Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.01.18 12:18:00 - [4] The thing about EvE i allways love is the feeling of-after getting podded mostly- "Damn, that guy did something nasty to me! I want to do that aswell", then u start a 1-2-3....month training program and u end up being nasty aswelll but never just like the pilot that inspired you, allways a personal touch in setups ~me wubs EvE~ DrunkZ with GunZ 4-ever!
Cipher7	Posted - 2007.01.18 12:53:00 - [5] Yes. People make that mistake alot. They think PVP is just skillpoints and ships and gateganks. Eve pvp is so rich and deep, it really transcends what people think they know.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.01.18 14:59:00 - [6] couldnt agree more with the replies. this really adds depth, and pushed missioning in the tedious tasks ------ Testing the waters for alliances

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.18 15:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Jim McGregor Glad you're having fun and not crying like most forum posters. What about users complaining about users complaining about users? And what if the moderators were to complain about the users who complained about the users who complained? And if the devs started complaining about the moderators who complained about the users who complained about the users who complained? Try saying THAT 10 times quickly while having The Next Pot Of Quafe Qoffee(TM). On a more serious note though, once you PvP, you never look back, and while the curve is a bit steep, it's all the more fun racing downhill again :) forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.18 15:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 18/01/2007 15:28:27 Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Originally by: Jim McGregor Glad you're having fun and not crying like most forum posters. What about users complaining about users complaining about users? And what if the moderators were to complain about the users who complained about the users who complained? And if the devs started complaining about the moderators who complained about the users who complained about the users who complained? Try saying THAT 10 times quickly while having The Next Pot Of Quafe Qoffee(TM). I think we need two forums. One for people enjoying the game, and one for people who just post here to complain about something. Its like real life... you can choose what crowd you hang with. Do you want to hang with the guys who always gossip about everyone else and never ever say anything positive about anyone else, or do you want to hang with the guys that try to look at the upside of things and see the good things in other people? At least in real life you can choose, but in these forums we get both kinds of people in one place... Two forums will never happen though... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.01.18 15:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov What about users complaining about users complaining about users? And what if the moderators were to complain about the users who complained about the users who complained? And if the devs started complaining about the moderators who complained about the users who complained about the users who complained? Try saying THAT 10 times quickly while having The Next Pot Of Quafe Qoffee(TM). Now I'll have to go check if there's something in the rules about complaining about moderators. Is that the same as discussing? Probably yes. Well there you go: The Devs complain about you, you pwnzor them. Mods win. ATTACK, and crash: You lose. RUN, and crash: Why WIN?

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.18 16:03:00 - [10] Originally by: Smagd Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov What about users complaining about users complaining about users? And what if the moderators were to complain about the users who complained about the users who complained? And if the devs started complaining about the moderators who complained about the users who complained about the users who complained? Try saying THAT 10 times quickly while having The Next Pot Of Quafe Qoffee(TM). Now I'll have to go check if there's something in the rules about complaining about moderators. Is that the same as discussing? Probably yes. Well there you go: The Devs complain about you, you pwnzor them. Mods win. Gold bars > moderator tools :) forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website


LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.18 16:34:00 - [11] Good stuff man! I just got into it myself and ya... You have your days and then you don't. Out of my few kills a couple have been people in lowsec that don't even fire back. ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Fabrica	Posted - 2007.01.18 16:42:00 - [12] I got killed a few weeks ago and i was told that my drones nearly killed them, which surprised them, so i spent until now increasing my drone skills to make them even harder. Death isnt the handicap it used to be. (Dave Lister)
Live Eye	Posted - 2007.01.18 16:47:00 - [13] Not to bash on this intelligence conversation that includes talking down on people who denounce PvP while at the same time denouncing every other actual coded part of the game, but pvp is a detrimental action in EVE more than any other game. You can only exist because other people play the game while you blow up the money you either bought, borrowed, or leeched from mission runners / miners / manufacturers and other less broad professions, or simply because you yourself have in the past done these actions or continue do them in order to get isk to fund it. And the sad truth is using logic to talk to most people who are pvp crazy on any game is pointless so just chalk this up as you having read this and that having satisfied me... Live Eye
Soon Tzu	Posted - 2007.01.18 16:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Originally by: Jim McGregor Glad you're having fun and not crying like most forum posters. What about users complaining about users complaining about users? And what if the moderators were to complain about the users who complained about the users who complained? And if the devs started complaining about the moderators who complained about the users who complained about the users who complained? Try saying THAT 10 times quickly while having The Next Pot Of Quafe Qoffee(TM). On a more serious note though, once you PvP, you never look back, and while the curve is a bit steep, it's all the more fun racing downhill again :) nice, this sorta of attitude is why I keep telling others that game is not a mmo, it is a space based quake game. (shouldn't ccp reps keep their personal opinions of the game play and style to themselves? Is that comment ment to be an official CCP opinion, if not, keep your personal opinions out of it while wearing the CCP rep hat.) Eve started out with a promise of being an mmo, it has become a fps with mmo as a little aspect that nobody gives a fsck about...it is al about shooting others, and causing grief to mmo players that just joined (noobs).
Minsc Gallente A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.18 17:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Soon Tzu Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Originally by: Jim McGregor Glad you're having fun and not crying like most forum posters. What about users complaining about users complaining about users? And what if the moderators were to complain about the users who complained about the users who complained? And if the devs started complaining about the moderators who complained about the users who complained about the users who complained? Try saying THAT 10 times quickly while having The Next Pot Of Quafe Qoffee(TM). On a more serious note though, once you PvP, you never look back, and while the curve is a bit steep, it's all the more fun racing downhill again :) nice, this sorta of attitude is why I keep telling others that game is not a mmo, it is a space based quake game. (shouldn't ccp reps keep their personal opinions of the game play and style to themselves? Is that comment ment to be an official CCP opinion, if not, keep your personal opinions out of it while wearing the CCP rep hat.) Eve started out with a promise of being an mmo, it has become a fps with mmo as a little aspect that nobody gives a fsck about...it is al about shooting others, and causing grief to mmo players that just joined (noobs). WTS Sense of humour 1 isk. Moderators are not and never have been CCP reps. They are players who have volunteered to help with the moderation of the message boards but they are not representatives of CCP in any form and thus thier opinion does not reflect that of CCP. Personally I find that fact pretty obvious. Originally by: Sharkbait please for the love of god read the dam stickies
Cupertino Castellum	Posted - 2007.01.18 17:26:00 - [16] Quote: I think we need two forums. One for people enjoying the game, and one for people who just post here to complain about something. If you were going to split it up, we'd need three general forums. One for the whiners who scream about leaving at the drop of a hat, one for the fanboys who won't hear one bad word said about CCP, and one for the rational people who like most aspects of Eve but are discerning enough to complain when it's needed.
SebbyTheFreak Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.01.18 17:53:00 - [17] Heh, PvP is something special I agree. Too bad I'm a dead poor wuss D: Otherwise I'd do it more often.
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:39:00 - [18] heh, after the first sentence is where the PVP in most games stops. Thats where the PVP in eve BEGINS! <3 eve. - - - These elite slaves are exceptionally well suited for physical labor.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:08:00 - [19] bleh lol lost an AF to a destroyer =/ is it even possible to forget to fit a shield or armor repair... ah well lesson learnt, no isk left, back in a cruiser to rat a bit lol ------
Billy Sastard Amarr Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Live Eye Not to bash on this intelligence conversation that includes talking down on people who denounce PvP while at the same time denouncing every other actual coded part of the game, but pvp is a detrimental action in EVE more than any other game. You can only exist because other people play the game while you blow up the money you either bought, borrowed, or leeched from mission runners / miners / manufacturers and other less broad professions, or simply because you yourself have in the past done these actions or continue do them in order to get isk to fund it. And the sad truth is using logic to talk to most people who are pvp crazy on any game is pointless so just chalk this up as you having read this and that having satisfied me... Live Eye WTF is this drivel?? EVE is PvP. This has been stated by the devs many many times, and even in the newbie guide you are told that nowhere is safe. Without PvP there would be no demand for the minerals you mine, the ships/modules you manufacture/the loot you sell from missions. PvP drives EVE, it is not a detriment. Please take some time and think about that. -=^=-

gfldex Gallente Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:48:00 - [21] First employmnent of Splagada: "Republic Military School - 2006.03.24 11:49:00". OMG! Do you know how much fun you missed in the last 10 month?
gfldex Gallente Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Billy Sastard WTF is this drivel?? It's the old (and proven wrong many times) "PvPer need carebears/industrialist" argument. Just ignore him.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Billy Sastard Originally by: Live Eye Not to bash on this intelligence conversation that includes talking down on people who denounce PvP while at the same time denouncing every other actual coded part of the game, but pvp is a detrimental action in EVE more than any other game. You can only exist because other people play the game while you blow up the money you either bought, borrowed, or leeched from mission runners / miners / manufacturers and other less broad professions, or simply because you yourself have in the past done these actions or continue do them in order to get isk to fund it. And the sad truth is using logic to talk to most people who are pvp crazy on any game is pointless so just chalk this up as you having read this and that having satisfied me... Live Eye WTF is this drivel?? EVE is PvP. This has been stated by the devs many many times, and even in the newbie guide you are told that nowhere is safe. Without PvP there would be no demand for the minerals you mine, the ships/modules you manufacture/the loot you sell from missions. PvP drives EVE, it is not a detriment. Please take some time and think about that. Here is somthing for you to think about....Do you beleave CCP would be where they are now, if it were not for thousands of PVE players playing this game? I can remember when 3k was the highest number ever loged on at one time. That was before missions came about. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots From Honour	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Billy Sastard Originally by: Live Eye Not to bash on this intelligence conversation that includes talking down on people who denounce PvP while at the same time denouncing every other actual coded part of the game, but pvp is a detrimental action in EVE more than any other game. You can only exist because other people play the game while you blow up the money you either bought, borrowed, or leeched from mission runners / miners / manufacturers and other less broad professions, or simply because you yourself have in the past done these actions or continue do them in order to get isk to fund it. And the sad truth is using logic to talk to most people who are pvp crazy on any game is pointless so just chalk this up as you having read this and that having satisfied me... Live Eye WTF is this drivel?? EVE is PvP. This has been stated by the devs many many times, and even in the newbie guide you are told that nowhere is safe. Without PvP there would be no demand for the minerals you mine, the ships/modules you manufacture/the loot you sell from missions. PvP drives EVE, it is not a detriment. Please take some time and think about that. Are you implying that the devs know more about this game than him? So many people keep saying Eve is all about carebearing and PvPers are evil basement dwelling sociopath griefers from Mars that it must be true!
Nero Scuro Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Roshan longshot Originally by: Billy Sastard Originally by: Live Eye Not to bash on this intelligence conversation that includes talking down on people who denounce PvP while at the same time denouncing every other actual coded part of the game, but pvp is a detrimental action in EVE more than any other game. You can only exist because other people play the game while you blow up the money you either bought, borrowed, or leeched from mission runners / miners / manufacturers and other less broad professions, or simply because you yourself have in the past done these actions or continue do them in order to get isk to fund it. And the sad truth is using logic to talk to most people who are pvp crazy on any game is pointless so just chalk this up as you having read this and that having satisfied me... Live Eye WTF is this drivel?? EVE is PvP. This has been stated by the devs many many times, and even in the newbie guide you are told that nowhere is safe. Without PvP there would be no demand for the minerals you mine, the ships/modules you manufacture/the loot you sell from missions. PvP drives EVE, it is not a detriment. Please take some time and think about that. Here is somthing for you to think about....Do you beleave CCP would be where they are now, if it were not for thousands of PVE players playing this game? I can remember when 3k was the highest number ever loged on at one time. That was before missions came about. Man Roshan, you sure do manage to talk a lot of crap. Before missions came out? WTF? Missions have always been here. And the majority do mission yes, but they are also PvPers. If you think every one of those people in empire just mission run 23/7 you are sadly wrong. Not even EVE players are that stupid, to grind with no goal but to grind more. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Nero Scuro Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Soon Tzu Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Originally by: Jim McGregor Glad you're having fun and not crying like most forum posters. What about users complaining about users complaining about users? And what if the moderators were to complain about the users who complained about the users who complained? And if the devs started complaining about the moderators who complained about the users who complained about the users who complained? Try saying THAT 10 times quickly while having The Next Pot Of Quafe Qoffee(TM). On a more serious note though, once you PvP, you never look back, and while the curve is a bit steep, it's all the more fun racing downhill again :) nice, this sorta of attitude is why I keep telling others that game is not a mmo, it is a space based quake game. (shouldn't ccp reps keep their personal opinions of the game play and style to themselves? Is that comment ment to be an official CCP opinion, if not, keep your personal opinions out of it while wearing the CCP rep hat.) Eve started out with a promise of being an mmo, it has become a fps with mmo as a little aspect that nobody gives a fsck about...it is al about shooting others, and causing grief to mmo players that just joined (noobs). Not that I'm defending ISD's sucky sense of humor (my grandma is funnier), but this is just dumb. EVE is a PvP game. Oveur said so. It's in a blog somewhere. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:41:00 - [27] Dont pvp in BS's until you're suffiecently skilled ot use all T2. They're a huge target, adn most likely the first targeted because of their huge damage potential. Stick with BC's or cruisers until you can get into an AF or HAC. Even a hac is like a BS in terms of how quickly you'll get primaried. Stick with cruisers or AF's until you get your sea legs, then switch to heavier guns. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Metacannibal Gekidoku	Posted - 2007.01.19 17:48:00 - [28] Originally by: Splagada .... Welcome to Eve in FUN mode!
Billy Sastard Amarr Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.19 19:05:00 - [29] Originally by: Roshan longshot Here is somthing for you to think about....Do you beleave CCP would be where they are now, if it were not for thousands of PVE players playing this game? I can remember when 3k was the highest number ever loged on at one time. That was before missions came about. I am sorry, but I fail to see any point or relevance in your reply to my comment. I was replying to whatsisface on his comment about how PvP is a detriment to the game, when the game is freakin built around PvP! Yea there are more people now than there used to be, that is the purpose of advertisement and the nature of things. So maybe alot of those people do nothing but run missions, but in the end, they are still, in some way, contributing to the overall framework of the game, which is built around PvP. Please lets not highjack this thread any more, I am sorry I replied to that comment in the first place. -=^=-
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.01.19 22:06:00 - [30] Edited by: Splagada on 19/01/2007 22:03:33 Originally by: Metacannibal Originally by: Splagada .... Welcome to Eve in FUN mode! hey lol YOU just killed me :p on the positive side, i got my first noticeable kill ( a domi ) ------



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