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Triakis Cadelanne
Disciples of Aphrodite The Glory Holers
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Posted - 2015.12.26 04:08:31 -
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Ok so, lately I've been tryharding EFT with various ship, strategic cruiser included. I am really wondering if some people still use them for something else than boosts. I know the Tengu have its niche of PvE / WH ship.
Strategic cruiser are designed to be refitted to suit a large pannel of roles. However they can't fullfil any role with a single fit, and whatever you want them to do, I feel there's a cheaper and more efficient counterpart with a T2 or faction cruiser.
So, how do you use those expensive ships ? Shouldn't they get slightly buffed ? If I want a combat ship I'd rather fit a HAS, if I want ewar I'd rather get a recon, if I want a combat ship that can probe I'd rather fly a Stratios, and on and on. |
Jace Varus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.26 04:10:27 -
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Why buy 3 T2 ships when you can by 1 T3 ship that does all the same stuff? The versatility is really what sells the T3 for most people, in my opinion. |
Triakis Cadelanne
Disciples of Aphrodite The Glory Holers
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Posted - 2015.12.26 04:14:33 -
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Jace Varus wrote:Why buy 3 T2 ships when you can by 1 T3 ship that does all the same stuff? The versatility is really what sells the T3 for most people, in my opinion.
But a T3 will not be as good as a T2, that's why I'm wondering where T3 are usefull. Great example of this is the drone Proteus, that get outmatched by the Ishtar in anything but tank. So if you want a DPS drone boat you'll get an Ishtar. Or if you want something to web people, you'll be doing better with a Rapier than a Loki. |
Jace Varus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.12.26 06:17:10 -
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Triakis Cadelanne wrote:Jace Varus wrote:Why buy 3 T2 ships when you can by 1 T3 ship that does all the same stuff? The versatility is really what sells the T3 for most people, in my opinion. But a T3 will not be as good as a T2, that's why I'm wondering where T3 are usefull. Great example of this is the drone Proteus, that get outmatched by the Ishtar in anything but tank. So if you want a DPS drone boat you'll get an Ishtar. Or if you want something to web people, you'll be doing better with a Rapier than a Loki.
Nah, T3s do very well, if not better, in most cases. The proteus not only has drones, but it's primary dps is usually blasters/rails. It wasn't meant to be a drone boat in the first place anyway.
You could say the Cerberus would be better than the Tengu in PVE, which would be incorrect in most cases, because the t3s simply are the top tier of their kind (versatility of subsystems, tank, damage output). There's a reason that they're more expensive and called "T3" |
Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.12.26 09:18:06 -
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a rapier might get more web range than a loki, but a loki can get a butt ton of hitpoints. 200k EHP without really trying. over 400k with slaves + links.
proteus typically lots of tank, dps, and a long scram/point. and the cloaky hunter setup is pretty popular too. For damps yea you probably want a recon, or a keres, and for drones the ishtar. Although I don't know that I'd laugh at a heavy tank long point 100m3 drone proteus. Interested in the 500mn proteus, but no idea how practical that is.
Legion, umm yea legon. I've heard it makes a good close range heavy tank neut ship, or the various ham fits. Seems like people are favoring the nomen or oracle. I'll admit I haven't been paying close attention to medium amarr ships lately.
Tengu does some pretty good rail fits. and then all those pve fits out there.
there is also the whole use t3 ships as offgrid links.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.26 14:55:31 -
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Proteus is a brick wall of a cruiser that will kill just about anything it can catch
The legion is genuinely scary in loads of configurations , it's able to go "lol neuts" and still have an obscene tank and keep fighting. You can have the effect of welding two curses,zealots,sacralidges together and that ship is intimidating enough to spook entire small gangs off when you have the neut sub fitted.
The tengu sees loads of use in null and Loki webs are ****ing cool to have in any gang.
Better the Devil you know.
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Ares Desideratus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.26 15:04:22 -
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They're used as AFK, off grid pay-to-win-mobiles. |
Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2015.12.26 15:16:04 -
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To the nitwit upstairs of me who said that why buy all the T3's when one is enough is a nitwit and doesn't understand how each ship is different from the other.
Regardless,
Proteus: A brick tanked in your face cruiser, It has great damage and application. It's basically a Megathron in a small package with the added benifits of T2 Resists with better sensor strength or an extended scram range. However it's cap life is poor so neut are very powerful against it, and at most you're only going to have four mids, three if go for the more common fits. It's also slow as balls, So combined with it's short range and average low speed it tends to be easily kitted, although the extended scram bonus helps alleviate this. Rail Proteus are used more often for fleets then they are for Solo. Drone Proteus are an odd bunch. I've seen them work, but not often enough. It's often jammed out to because most people go with the Scram bonus over the sensor bonus. The proteus is probably the best cloaky hunter out all of them. Proteus isn't link ship as it's CPU is lower than the Legions, making it more expensive to fit full links.
Tengu: Tengu's are used in Hull a lot, but they work great as 100mn kitters if you have links. They get decent paper DPS (600 to 850 on average) but depending on what you're fitting and what you fighting, your applied dps may be lowered. Tengu's can get a pretty massive tank, they can have up to 8 mid slots. So brick tanking them is pretty useful. Blaster Tengu's are interesting. They get about 600DPS, The Railgu is what used in Null. ECMgu's are armored tanked and useful for fleets, It tanks for then Rooks and Falcons but I think it's Jam range is lower, they make good screeners to with RLML. Tengu's though tend to suffer when it comes to Tackle, since the Mids are taken for Tank, anyone with dual webs will get range control over you. A Booster Tengu is the prime choice as well, as it boosts shields, Skirmish and Info.
Legion: The Legion is a little underbalanced, They make decent gate campers as they can achieve good scan res making them good choices for insta locking, but the loki is better for that as Arties do more alpha. But laser track far better and can knock out smaller **** . Neut Legions are the staple hood of roaming Wormhole fleets. HAM Legions are pretty decent to, as mixing Neuts with a capless weapon system is never a bad idea. Legion again it rather slow, It can tank a ton just like the proteus. It's also the Armor T3 booster, it boosts Armor/Skirm/Info but get's more CPU than a Proteus so it's easier to get the fitting you want.
Loki, Loki like the Legion can get stupidly high scan res, making a great gate camper and alpher. It also has a Web Bonus range which is great anybody, though the T2 recons get better ranges the Loki tends to have far more tank and DPS. It's also harder to guess the fittings for them, unless you're staring at one you generally have no clue what kinda loki you'll be fighting, the other T3's have very common fittings without much deviation. However Loki's tend get less overall tank compared to the others, although they are fastest out of the bunch. I've seen some 100mn RLML fits though I've never used one personally. Like the proteus the loki is easy to jam due to it's web bonus subsystem taking up the slot of the sub that gives it sensor strength. The loki as a booster is an odd one, it boosts shield Armor and skirmish, so pretty useless unless your running a kitchen sink fleet.
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Ninlarra
Tounge punching fart boxes
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Posted - 2015.12.26 17:12:18 -
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/50923188/
They are for killing when they decide to run plexes in my home system. |
Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2246
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Posted - 2015.12.26 20:19:01 -
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Ninlarra wrote:https://zkillboard.com/kill/50923188/
They are for killing when they decide to run plexes in my home system. bleh. how long does it take a 3 beam laser legion to kill an angel BS... not to mention a whole site. taking 188k damage in a site
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unidenify
Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2015.12.26 20:34:17 -
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Triakis Cadelanne wrote:Ok so, lately I've been tryharding EFT with various ship, strategic cruiser included. I am really wondering if some people still use them for something else than boosts. I know the Tengu have its niche of PvE / WH ship.
Strategic cruiser are designed to be refitted to suit a large pannel of roles. However they can't fullfil any role with a single fit, and whatever you want them to do, I feel there's a cheaper and more efficient counterpart with a T2 or faction cruiser.
So, how do you use those expensive ships ? Shouldn't they get slightly buffed ? If I want a combat ship I'd rather fit a HAS, if I want ewar I'd rather get a recon, if I want a combat ship that can probe I'd rather fly a Stratios, and on and on.
That is whole point of T3 cruiser vs T2 cruiser
T2 cruiser are best in specialization role, where T3 cruiser are flexible and can change to any role it want to be
T3 cruiser can act as Logi, Ewar boat, Dps Boat, Link boat, or cloak boat.
Ninlarra wrote:https://zkillboard.com/kill/50923188/
They are for killing when they decide to run plexes in my home system.
it is like this guy never hear mobile depot or something |
Garrett Osinov
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.26 22:20:10 -
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Tengu is good for mission running in 0.0 , fit interdiction nullifier and covops cloack, move to a mission gate, drop mobile depot and refit for Hamgu fit and do around 1000 dps with a very good tank. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3841
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Posted - 2015.12.26 22:26:57 -
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I shoot people to death with mine. |
Pup One
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2015.12.28 05:24:54 -
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One of if not the most effictive (and most used) class of fleet fighting ships in the game?
http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=1173&b=6816008&e=116&t=bvf&r=1 |
Prinzessin Leia
Nefarious.
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Posted - 2015.12.28 18:31:35 -
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Tengu is used by some (only a few) people for hauling sensitive (aka EXPENSIVE) stuff.
250k + EHP Cloak less then 4sec in warp
only most dedicated gankers will go for this in highsec |
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