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Kua Mortal Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.01.18 17:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Kua Mortal on 18/01/2007 17:16:07 1. Is there anyway to get round the fact that often the prices on the graph are missing the first digit. Or is this just an annoyance I'll have to get used to? 2. With regards to the table: I get the impression that the lows and highs are actually the highest and lowest average within a solar system. I didn't explain that very well, I hope it can be understood. Thank you. Having fun in EVE is about using what you have, not wishing you had more.
Menkaure Amarr Vanitas Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.18 20:18:00 - [2] Originally by: Kua Mortal Edited by: Kua Mortal on 18/01/2007 17:16:07 1. Is there anyway to get round the fact that often the prices on the graph are missing the first digit. Or is this just an annoyance I'll have to get used to? 2. With regards to the table: I get the impression that the lows and highs are actually the highest and lowest average within a solar system. I didn't explain that very well, I hope it can be understood. Thank you. why do you get that impression?
Kua Mortal Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.01.18 21:31:00 - [3] Edited by: Kua Mortal on 18/01/2007 21:28:36 Because they anomalies are very rare for one. Also I might see a buy order for a certain item then check the table in the market data and no one has ever bought an item at that low a price. But may be some people set ridiculously low buy orders; or may be the data only includes items sold via sell orders. LOL I've noticed a lot of people have checked this thread but no one has offered an answer. Are they realy stupid questions or do people not know? Having fun in EVE is about using what you have, not wishing you had more.
David H'Levi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Kua Mortal Edited by: Kua Mortal on 18/01/2007 17:16:07 1. Is there anyway to get round the fact that often the prices on the graph are missing the first digit. Or is this just an annoyance I'll have to get used to? You can use the table -- that's the only way that I can think of. Originally by: Kua Mortal 2. With regards to the table: I get the impression that the lows and highs are actually the highest and lowest average within a solar system. I didn't explain that very well, I hope it can be understood. Thank you. No, it's of the region, but certain numbers are excluded depending on how they match up with regional average. It's pretty stupid. We Recruit!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:39:00 - [5] Low and high are low and high of sales, not orders. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)

Pirlouit Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:55:00 - [6] I hardly use the graph and prefer to use the tables since it give a quick and fast glance of price, margin and volume that can be made on a given item. forum rules \| email

Shadarle	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:57:00 - [7] Kua is correct in #2 that not all sales are listed. I know this for a fact because I have had people sell me stuff at 10% of the average price (they type one too few 0's in their sell order price and thus instantly sell to me). These never show up on the market. It seems the high/low is excluding outliers. Perhaps within 2 standard deviations (95% of the data is used). This is to stop a single person from selling a ship to himself for 1 isk in order make the chart nearly worthless and unreadable or for a few billion (with good skills they lose very little money and can grief the market). Test it out if you like, but I promise you that not all sales are shown in the high/low. I was selling hundreds of thousands of scourge missiles for 100isk and the chart showed the high price at 60. I'd buy 1-2 ravens a day for 94 mil and it showed the low price of 97 mil (a while back). The market window REALLY needs some customization options. REALLY REALLY needs it. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
mechtech	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:00:00 - [8] The graph lets you make easier price predictions and spot relationships between different items though. It's really annoying that most high priced items have bugged #s that just show something like 000060 for price.
Kua Mortal Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Shadarle Kua is correct in #2 that not all sales are listed. I know this for a fact because I have had people sell me stuff at 10% of the average price (they type one too few 0's in their sell order price and thus instantly sell to me). These never show up on the market. It seems the high/low is excluding outliers. Perhaps within 2 standard deviations (95% of the data is used). This is to stop a single person from selling a ship to himself for 1 isk in order make the chart nearly worthless and unreadable or for a few billion (with good skills they lose very little money and can grief the market). Test it out if you like, but I promise you that not all sales are shown in the high/low. I was selling hundreds of thousands of scourge missiles for 100isk and the chart showed the high price at 60. I'd buy 1-2 ravens a day for 94 mil and it showed the low price of 97 mil (a while back). The market window REALLY needs some customization options. REALLY REALLY needs it. Thanks for that Shadarle, that's the kind of answer I was looking for. I'm glad you tested it and I think your interpretation of how it actually works is a reasonable one. My gaming fix before EVE was Civilisation 4. Computer boffins over there (well actually I don't think it was all that difficult to do) were able to delve into the xml and find out EXACTLY how the game mechanics worked. Is there a way to do that in EVE, or are we just left with guesses and morsels of information that CCP give us? :) Having fun in EVE is about using what you have, not wishing you had more.
Kua Mortal Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Low and high are low and high of sales, not orders. Um, could you explain what you mean by this exactly? Having fun in EVE is about using what you have, not wishing you had more.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Kua Mortal Originally by: Dark Shikari Low and high are low and high of sales, not orders. Um, could you explain what you mean by this exactly? I believe he means actual sales, not just orders that are on the market that have yet to sell. And as to your question about XML, yes and no. They release the game database, but it is far from straightforward and does not include formulas that I know of. Lots of players have worked hard in the past to determine the formulas we know so far and a lot us are working on the ones we still don't know. Currently I'm working on the Broker's Fee formula (more complex then you'd think) and the Mission formulas (value of missions, impact of sec status, impact of skills, impact of quality, level, etc). If you're a math junky you should scan through ship and module and market forums to find some of those kinds of threads and help out Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Kua Mortal Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.01.19 10:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Shadarle If you're a math junky you should scan through ship and module and market forums to find some of those kinds of threads and help out TBH I just wanna leach off the hard work of others. Having fun in EVE is about using what you have, not wishing you had more.
Morwagorion	Posted - 2007.01.20 15:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Kua Mortal Edited by: Kua Mortal on 18/01/2007 17:16:07 1. Is there anyway to get round the fact that often the prices on the graph are missing the first digit. Or is this just an annoyance I'll have to get used to? Same problem here ... every price > 10mil loose the first digit. i do hope someone can solve this problem

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