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Nash Leigth Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:55:00 - [1] As I understood from your post, he thought that you were a macro-miner. In this case, the fact that he blew up the ore could be seen as him trying to discourage macro-mining in general by taking away your ore, you being the suspected macro-miner here - not as attempt to cause grief to you in particular. Even if he asks for a ransom and then blows up the can if you don't pay, this can be interpreted as him encouraging you to pay up next time rather than trying to grief you by blowing up your ore.
Nash Leigth Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.19 00:28:00 - [2] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Ummm ya, that's complete bull******. Just because someone thinks someone else is a macro miner doesn't mean jack diddly. CCP can not check people's intentions, they can only listen and judge on the actions. Becuase the thief took the ore and then blew it up, it should be considered griefing yes. The definition of griefing is doing something in game for the purpose of upsetting another player, make his gaming experience be unpleasant for him. And that's exactly my point. CCP cannot check people's intentions, and neither can you. So how can you say that this player wanted to grief the miner, and not just try to discourage macro-mining by blowing up his ore? Unless you have psychic abilities and can read intentions printed out in big golden letters over people's foreheads, how can you be so certain he did this to upset the miner and not as a way to discourage macro-mining?
Nash Leigth Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.19 01:23:00 - [3] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: Nash Leigth Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Ummm ya, that's complete bull*****. Just because someone thinks someone else is a macro miner doesn't mean jack diddly. CCP can not check people's intentions, they can only listen and judge on the actions. Becuase the thief took the ore and then blew it up, it should be considered griefing yes. The definition of griefing is doing something in game for the purpose of upsetting another player, make his gaming experience be unpleasant for him. And that's exactly my point. CCP cannot check people's intentions, and neither can you. So how can you say that this player wanted to grief the miner, and not just try to discourage macro-mining by blowing up his ore? Unless you have psychic abilities and can read intentions printed out in big golden letters over people's foreheads, how can you be so certain he did this to upset the miner and not as a way to discourage macro-mining? Unless you have psychic abilities and can read intentions printed out in big golden letters over people's foreheads, how can you be so certain anyone is a "macro miner"? See how that works? Far be it for me to defend macro mining, but frankly, the ongoing witch hunt of overzealous macro mining "hunters" using that as an excuse to behave like a jackass is getting pretty freaking old. Yes and that is why I did not begin by posting "die macrominer die, you deserved this" in this thread. Yet some people are completely convinced that this was grief play and began posting just that. If you re-read my posts you will see that I am not saying that this surely wasn't griefing. All I am saying that it might not have been* griefing on his part. You can't be sure. It all depends on how much that dude was convinced that this miner was running a macro.
Nash Leigth Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.19 01:34:00 - [4] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Nash Leigth If you re-read my posts you will see that I am not saying that this surely wasn't griefing. All I am saying that it might not have been griefing on his part. You can't be sure. It all depends on how much that dude was convinced that this miner was running a macro. It makes no difference to be honest, you aren't allowed to "grief" anyone, not even macro miners. Petition, yes. Grief, no. If that dude thought that this player was running a macro, then by blowing up his can he was perhaps hoping to cut down profits from macro-mining and thus discourage its practice. In this case, this is not grief play.
Nash Leigth Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: Nash Leigth Edited by: Nash Leigth on 19/01/2007 01:25:21 Yes and that is why I did not begin by posting "die macrominer die, you deserved this" in this thread. Yet some people are completely convinced that this was grief play and began posting just that. If you re-read my posts you will see that I am not saying that this surely wasn't griefing. All I am saying that it might not have been griefing on his part. You can't be sure. It all depends on how much that dude was convinced that this miner was running a macro. Ki An also makes a valid point that it was his ore that he blew up. Having property in EVE does not work exactly the same way as having property in real life and so no parallels should be drawn here. If the can sitting before you is white - the stuff is yours. Period. So we should extend the benefit of doubt to everyone, even those who clearly define by their actions that they are either incapable or unwilling to do the same? I don't think so. Re-read the OP. Samuel Freedom not only established himself as a player, but notes that the other party recognized him as such prior to blowing up his ore. Was it "grief play"? That's a matter of opinion. But did it have anything to do with defending EVE from macro miners? I think not. Frankly, I believe the person Samuel Freedom described was nothing more than a coward and a bully, hiding behind the guise of "macro miner hunter" as an excuse to provoke a new addition to his kill board. What proof exactly did Samuel offer? Talking to him in local in English? That's not proof. And where did you get the notion that the dude who stole his ore recognized him as legitimate miner? Please quote the specific text from his posts where there is mention of sufficient proof and of event of recongnition, as I cannot find it. (In fact, note that Samuel was in NPC corp as many macro-miners are.) You can use whatever adjectives you want to describe this player's behavior. My point stands. You cannot be certain that this was grief play.
Nash Leigth Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Samuel Freedom Anyway thx everyone for your differnt views on this I wonder if he will try something similar in a few months when I have trained to be PVPer and got some skills hehehe, have fun
Nash Leigth Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.19 05:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Blue Pixie Originally by: Nash Leigth What proof exactly did Samuel offer? Talking to him in local in English? That's not proof. And where did you get the notion that the dude who stole his ore recognized him as legitimate miner? Please quote the specific text from his posts where there is mention of sufficient proof and of event of recongnition, as I cannot find it. (In fact, note that Samuel was in NPC corp as many macro-miners are.) You can use whatever adjectives you want to describe this player's behavior. My point stands. You cannot be certain that this was grief play. You're making my point for me. What "proof" was there that Samuel was a "macro miner"? Any? Was it enough to justify the behavior of the other pilot? Where was the benefit of doubt for Sam we're now supposed to extend to the player who took his ore? For the record, I never tried to argue this was "grief play." All I said was I'm sick of witch hunts and tired of people using the excuse, "I thought it was a macro miner" to rationalize. If the other player was indeed a pirate (or just trying to goad Samuel into a one-sided fight), he should grow a pair and own it. If however he truly thought he was defending EVE from "macro miners" then he should acknowledge his own incompetence and stick to filing petitions to CCP. That's just my opinion; take it for whatever it's worth. Erm, we are not debating here whether the guy who took the ore had the right to assume that Samuel is a macro miner. All that I have been saying here, is that he might have been convinced or he might not have been - it's not clear. So you can't say that this was definitely a case of griefing. I am not going to debate whether or he actually recognized Samuel as real miner as you'd need the aforementioned psychic mind-reading ability to acertain that. It would help you to see the point I'm making if you stayed on the topic of this discussion. This is the last time i'm repeating my point of view. You cannot be certain that this was an instance of deliberate griefing.

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