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Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2015.12.28 13:11:49 -
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o7 Dear fellow capsuleers.
As most of you may have heard BattleClinic is closing down. In the light of that announcement, people from the EVE community, started asking what will happen to EVEMon, which is hosted by BattleClinic for almost a decade. There were some tweets here and there and an interest from the community to provide new accommodations for EVEMon arose.
At that time, I was not ready to answer questions about what are the requirements for hosting EVEMon. I stragled for some time with EVEMon's code base to decouple it from BattleClinic services so it can run smoothly on the post-BattleClinic era. And I say "I" because for some years now the EVEMon Development Team is a one-man team, me. Sure we had some people contributing here and there but no one stacked around for long. With that out of my chest, let's move on.
As soon as I was ready with the code base, version 2.2.2 was released, which is the last release from the BattleClinic repo account. On January 1st 2016 the repo will close. Our new repo is now on the EVEMon Dev Team account, still on BitBucket.
Important!!! Upgrade as soon as possible to 2.2.2 as versions prior to that will not get any updates anymore.
In the mean time, I was looking into the hosting requirements, cost of a domain name, type of hosting servers, location of host provider, etc, just to get my head around how much it costs to publish a free product. Well, the cost isn't prohibited but still it can't beat the free hosting services we were enjoying all these years, thanks to BattleClinic.
So, as I promised people from the EVE community, who contacted me, offering hosting services, here is a list of our "NEED-WANT" (reference to the TV-Show 'Defiance').
"NEED"
- A server to host the presentation page and forums (application server).
- A server to host the database (database server).
- A server to host our development environment (development server).
"WANT"
- First and foremost, the hosting services should be for free.
This may come as a surprise to some of you but I'm not willing to trade the free-hosting services we were enjoying from BattleClinic all these years, to a paid one. After all, I don't own EVEMon.
- Administrator (root) access to the servers.
This is vital if you don't want me bothering you constantly.
- Regarding the type of the needed servers, this is where the headache begins.
3.1 As I'm mostly a .NET/C# guy, with RL experience on Windows Servers, IIS, ASP.NET and .NET applications in general, I would prefer all servers to have Windows Server 2012 R2 as the installed OS, at least.
The plan is to use: a. The new ASP.NET 5 (which is btw cross-platform when targeting the CoreCLR) for the presentation site. b. YAF.NET for the forums (which is what EVE Forums use, so the users will be familiar with it). c. TeamCity for the CI (in order to restore the distribution of the Snapshot builds).
Now, some of you would say that using Linux servers would be much more preferable. My knowledge with Linux is at an infant level, and besides the license cost, I'm not sure if I can agree with that. I took the time to setup up a Linux server on a VM and play around with it. The first think I noticed is the low impact on the RAM usage as a Linux server doesn't use a GUI environment (not that it can use one but it's not recommended). I could counter that argument with using Windows Server 2012 R2 Core though.
3.2 The other major issue is the database server. YAF.NET needs an SQL Server instance to function so the use of an alternative free database server is out of the question. Why use YAF.NET in the first place, you may ask. As I said, I'm a .NET guy and I know my way around .NET better than any other language. Sure I could start learning Node.js or even Python (which I have a grasp but not in a great extent), but this will take me some time to get at a comfortable level. Some of you may say, there is also the option to use Docker on Linux. Still evaluating this option and I need more info on that, so if you have any, please share.
3.3 As for the development server, the experience with hosting TeamCity on Linux didn't went well, when BattleClinic switched servers.
3.4 The repo and the distribution of EVEMon will continue to be done via BitBucket (they use CDN from Amazon S3), so there is no need for that.
If all the above fail, there is also the choice to not host EVEMon anywhere. To be honest with you I don't think that EVEMon's reputation and acceptance will suffer from not having a representation site and forums. Look at all the other 3rd party software like, EFT and EWA, to mention some, that don't have one. Still alive and kicking.
If you have any further questions, I would bemore than willing to answer them.
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.28 15:26:29 -
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Thanks for all you do on evemon, been using it since 2007.
I might have missed something in your requirements but couldn't you just use github pages for the site and point to a download server? I have a simple page and just point to mediafire for downloads. The mediafire site is 2.50 a month for downloadable links and seems to have enough bandwidth for something like evemon. I know it's not free and maybe you need more for development but it does remove a lot of headaches. This just seems like a lot of work for you to do to set up a dedicated server.
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Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.12.28 15:33:54 -
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Long time EVEMon user here. I am very fond and have lots of respect for this software.
But if you don't have already an easy access to established servers, why do you even need all the hassle of setting up and running them all? Github (and I believe Bitbucket too, though I am less familiar with its public facing services) offers you everything needed for running an open source project like EVEMon. Many successful projects do this.
Use the readme file as the front facing description, help, links, release notes etc. Host the binaries on github, have a wiki for the community to update and maintain, use the issue tracker as forum replacement for bug reports, questions, and feature requests.
Focus on developing this great tool instead of administrating the support infrastructures. Everyone wins.
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SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:00:36 -
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Why the hell would you want such a setup, for a simple downloadable tool? I could provide everything, but you write like you have no clue about web dev, why would I or anyone hand this over to you when it is 100% unnecessary and completely overkill?
I disagree
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Desmont McCallock
591
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:10:26 -
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As I have already mentioned, EVEMon is being distributed via BitBucket for years now. And it's covering all its needs. EVEMon doesn't need infrastructure for that.
Surely, if you examine the situation deeply, EVEMon doesn't need anything to keep running.
There is no need for a presentation site, EVEMon is well known.
There is no need for forums, EVEMon is 99.9999% bug free, so there is minimum need for issue reporting, hell, EVE forum can cover that just fine and suggestions are been handled by UserVoice for years now.
There is no need for development environment, providing Snapshot builds ain't that crucial.
So, bottom line, EVEMon doesn't need any hosting service. But if EVEMon is to become something more (trust me I know more than you do) then hosting is a vital element to that.
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Aiko Wisemane
Vairocanische Werften The Craftsmen
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:28:12 -
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Do you need physical servers or is virtual ok ? |
Desmont McCallock
591
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:32:45 -
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Aiko Wisemane wrote:Do you need physical servers or is virtual ok ? Now this is the million dollar question. Of course I'm talking about VM's. It would be insane to ask for "metal". |
Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:48:31 -
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Desmont McCallock wrote: But if EVEMon is to become something more (trust me I know more than you do) then hosting is a vital element to that.
Well, if you share your plans with the community, there are a lot of smart people here who may come up with suggestions for the optimal and most cost effective solution.
Running 3 Windows based servers sounds like an awful lot of overhead for a community website for an open source project of EVEMon's scale. Especially considering that more optimized tried and true solutions exist, like github. Or that this entire project can fit into a single smallest Amazon EC2 instance (free for a year, then something like 15$ a month).
This is not just hosting space you are talking about, you need someone who already owns Windows Server and SQL Server licenses (which have their costs) and give you admin access (on live servers with their own software running on it, I would never give that to anyone for my own servers). Relying on a someone to offer you these means that there is some good chance you will need to switch hosts from time to time again for various reasons. You are even better off paying for it and accepting donations from the community to cover the costs. You won't need to rely on someone else's server that may or may not be available for you tomorrow.
As someone who developed and administrated both Windows/SQL Server/.Net stack and Linux/Open source stack, I'd risk and say that despite you having a lot of Windows/.Net experience, these technologies are far from optimal for open source or small startup projects. I think you are better off looking into Linux/MySql/Node/Python/PHP/Wordpress/whatever to accomplish this, even if it means some learning curve. The experience you gain from this can never hurt and it will be a LOT easier to find hosting and maintaining these servers for your project.
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xHjfx
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.28 17:56:49 -
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Desmont McCallock wrote:Aiko Wisemane wrote:Do you need physical servers or is virtual ok ? Now this is the million dollar question. Of course I'm talking about VM's. It would be insane to ask for "metal".
It's also insane to expect all that licensed software free of charge.
You either need to find someone Linux savvy and work on an open source/free solution to your issues, hope that some kind soul has the correct licenses or is willing to run a illegitimate licensed copy of the platform for you or get your wallet out and ask for donations. |
Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
95
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Posted - 2015.12.28 18:03:32 -
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Desmont McCallock wrote:EVEMon is 99.9999% bug free, so there is minimum need for issue reporting,
I have never seen a statement like that to hold true, for any software project whatsoever....
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Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2015.12.28 20:01:31 -
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Draugo Rana wrote:Desmont McCallock wrote:EVEMon is 99.9999% bug free, so there is minimum need for issue reporting,
I have never seen a statement like that to hold true, for any software project whatsoever.... That's why there is always a 0.0001%. |
Desmont McCallock
591
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Posted - 2015.12.28 20:14:47 -
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Just to be clear here and stop people from embarrassing themself. I'm reaching out to people that already have Microsoft licensed software and can spare 3 VM's. That's why BattleClinic was great, even though most of you hated it. |
xHjfx
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.29 13:15:37 -
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Desmont McCallock wrote:... stop people from embarrassing themself.
Unfortunately I think it's too late for that.
You have 0 budget and nothing to offer to a prospective host while expecting an unreasonable amount of resources on a platform that requires extensive licensing costs.
If you were willing to compromise with a Linux based platform, I'm sure you'd have alot more chance of getting help as more people are likely to have excess server capacity and the cost to the hoster is lower (They don't need to own expensive licenses)
However the astounding level of entitlement from your expectations and your attitude is off-putting especially since you are asking for a free service.
Quote:That's why BattleClinic was great, even though most of you hated it.
And unfortunately they are closing down, although maybe you could ask them to keep their platform online for you?
Anyway down to real talk:
You don't need a Windows/SQL server web environment for your frontend and forums, you want it because it's what you are familiar with.
You should look at finding someone who is proficient or has basic skills with Linux web platforms to help you out, as you'll find it alot easier to score some cost effective ($5 Digitalocean VPS for example) or even free hosting from a community member.
Do your main website using Joomla, Drupal, Wordpress, other CMS or even static pages (seems to be all the rage these days) - you get a free, quality solution at the expense of having to do some learning or reaching out to find someone to help you.
If you really must use .NET, then look at Mono although you will need to review compatibility before developing for it.
Forums -> There are numerous free BBs such as SMF and PHPBB, Vanilla that you can use free of charge that use MySQL or PostgreSQL and provide a good experience without the cost.
TLDR: Lower your expectations and start compromising, drop the attitude and reach out to find people willing to help you meet that goal - you will have more success :) |
Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
96
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Posted - 2015.12.29 15:28:36 -
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Desmont McCallock wrote:Just to be clear here and stop people from embarrassing themself. I'm reaching out to people that already have Microsoft licensed software and can spare 3 VM's. That's why BattleClinic was great, even though most of you hated it.
Just for your information, Microsoft policies require that any production server instance is covered by a valid license. So it doesn't matter if it's a VPS or not, if you are running 3 virtual machines on one physical box, you still need 3 separate server licenses and one SQL server license. Sure, many people ignore this but that's the legitimate way.
You are coming here, asking for help and (potentially expensive) freebies and then insult people, who may have much more experience than you, and who try to offer you a solid advice with good intentions. That won't win you many favors.
Despite your attitude, for the sake of EVEMon, I hope you find someone willing to offer you what you are asking for. Good luck.
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
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Posted - 2015.12.29 19:10:08 -
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wait... so essentially all you need is a forum and some sort of presentation page where people can click the big download button? Or am I missing something here? |
Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2015.12.29 19:27:51 -
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Draugo Rana wrote:...then insult people... I never insulted anyone.
Draugo Rana wrote:...who may have much more experience than you... That is your opinion, not a fact. You don't know me or my work experience.
Draugo Rana wrote:...and who try to offer you a solid advice... Never asked any.
Draugo Rana wrote:Despite your attitude... I was provoked "my friend".
Bottom line, I know this is the EVE Forums and trolls are to be expected. If you all are here just for the troll, please be so kind and move along. There is nothing to see here.
If on the other hand, you are here and you can meet our requirements, then I'm more than happy to respond.
End of story. Have a nice holidays. |
Squizz Caphinator
Primary.
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Posted - 2015.12.29 21:02:59 -
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Desmont, I can provide your #1 need and your #1 and #2 wants for you. Unfortunately I can't provide the #2 and #3 needs or the other wants since I don't have any of the Microsoft servers (or licenses), I don't work with those at all and I don't have the resources for them.
Ignore the folks here who are nitpicking the way you have EveMon setup, sometimes early decisions and limitations affect projects for many years to come. Most people don't understand that - don't fuel their fire.
I hope you find someone who can provide everything you need to ensure EveMon lives on. Good luck! Squizz
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xHjfx
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.29 21:31:50 -
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Squizz Caphinator wrote:Desmont, I can provide your #1 need and your #1 and #2 wants for you. Unfortunately I can't provide the #2 and #3 needs or the other wants since I don't have any of the Microsoft servers (or licenses), I don't work with those at all and I don't have the resources for them.
Ignore the folks here who are nitpicking the way you have EveMon setup, sometimes early decisions and limitations affect projects for many years to come. Most people don't understand that - don't fuel their fire.
I hope you find someone who can provide everything you need to ensure EveMon lives on. Good luck! Squizz
Quote:Ignore the folks here who are nitpicking the way you have EveMon setup, sometimes early decisions and limitations affect projects for many years to come. Most people don't understand that - don't fuel their fire.
Except he doesn't have it setup, Battleclinic uses SMF for forums, which is where EveMon discussion is and the Evemon Battleclinic landing page is PHP.
If that's all he wanted, we have spare capacity - however he isn't interested in a non Windows solution, isn't willing to pay for one and seems immune to advice that his demands are unrealistic and unlikely to be fulfilled (Due to his insistence on a solution revolving around Windows = $$$) and that he should re-evaluate his options.
If that is "Nitpicking" I can only facepalm. |
Haffsol
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Posted - 2015.12.29 21:37:25 -
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Drama in the EVEMon thread in the geeks subforum? You guys are awesome.
Not. |
Mr Twinkie
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
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Posted - 2015.12.30 09:37:28 -
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Wait... so you admit that you don't need servers... but you want someone to foot the bill so you "can do something more"
Does this forum section have a no scamming rule because I think we need one.
Ignoring the fact that there's no reason for you to have 3 servers, windows server being ****, you not seeming to understand the server side of the house... your request is ridiculous.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.30 10:35:27 -
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Please keep this thread clean and on topic. Desmont was clear in his request, if you don't like it you don't have to support it, there is however no need to derail the thread. You're of course welcome to believe his request is absurd but please take the posting of said thoughts elsewhere.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.30 11:29:03 -
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It would probably help if you actually explained what that "something more" is instead of giving a perfunctory "I know more than you" reply. |
Jeff Kione
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.12.31 03:07:14 -
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Given those requirements I won't be able to lend you a hand, unfortunately. I don't deal with Windows. |
vipeer
Infinite Point Northern Army
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Posted - 2015.12.31 22:00:31 -
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Running Windows Server Datacenter on the Host gives unlimited Free Windows licenses for all VM's, so its no priblem providng that. And I would guess SQL Express is good enough for this, so that part is also Free. Meaning, it could be of no cost providing this service. Or use MSDN licenses, as its developer environment where no one us making any money.
If my manager had not given me **** for hosting a Minecraft server (for my son) some time ago on some old spare hardware at our office, I would host this for you. (They found it during an external security audit, ooops).
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Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2016.01.01 00:06:36 -
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vipeer wrote:Running Windows Server Datacenter on the Host gives unlimited Free Windows licenses for all VM's, so its no priblem providng that. And I would guess SQL Express is good enough for this, so that part is also Free. Meaning, it could be of no cost providing this service. Or use MSDN licenses, as its developer environment where no one us making any money.
If my manager had not given me **** for hosting a Minecraft server (for my son) some time ago on some old spare hardware at our office, I would host this for you. (They found it during an external security audit, ooops).
You surely know your stuff, sir. This was what I had in mind but apparently I failed to comunicate that on my OP for the Linux savvy ppl. Whoever deals with Windows Servers know what you are referring to and I hoped that someone with an MSDN subscription could pitch in.
I'm not sure that SQL Express could cover the forums. Surely the 10GB limit seems a lot for forums but you never know when you gonna run out.
Never the less, after some consideration, I came up with the following setup:
App Server OS: WS 2012 R2 Core CPU: 1vCore RAM: 1GB HDD: 50GB
Data Server OS: WS 2012 R2 Core CPU: 2vCores RAM: 4GB HDD: 100GB
Dev Server OS: WS 2012 R2 Core CPU: 1vCore RAM: 1GB HDD: 50GB
So the host machine could have: OS: WS 2012 R2 Core CPU: 6-8Cores RAM: 8GB SSD: 256GB+ |
Mr Twinkie
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.01.01 08:18:46 -
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Desmont McCallock wrote:vipeer wrote:Running Windows Server Datacenter on the Host gives unlimited Free Windows licenses for all VM's, so its no priblem providng that. And I would guess SQL Express is good enough for this, so that part is also Free. Meaning, it could be of no cost providing this service. Or use MSDN licenses, as its developer environment where no one us making any money.
If my manager had not given me **** for hosting a Minecraft server (for my son) some time ago on some old spare hardware at our office, I would host this for you. (They found it during an external security audit, ooops).
You surely know your stuff, sir. This was what I had in mind but apparently I failed to comunicate that on my OP for the Linux savvy ppl. Whoever deals with Windows Servers know what you are referring to and I hoped that someone with an MSDN subscription could pitch in. I'm not sure that SQL Express could cover the forums. Surely the 10GB limit seems a lot for forums but you never know when you gonna run out. Never the less, after some consideration, I came up with the following setup: App Server OS: WS 2012 R2 Core CPU: 1vCore RAM: 1GB HDD: 50GB Data Server OS: WS 2012 R2 Core CPU: 2vCores RAM: 4GB HDD: 100GB Dev Server OS: WS 2012 R2 Core CPU: 1vCore RAM: 1GB HDD: 50GB So the host machine could have: OS: WS 2012 R2 Core CPU: 6-8Cores RAM: 8GB SSD: 256GB+
You can't share MSDN services
"MSDN subscriptions are only offered per individual, there are no GÇ£teamGÇ¥ subscriptions or sharing of subscription benefits. "
What you're asking for will risk the users account and break microsoft's TOS.
The servers you listed with Windows will cost a few hundred dollars per month with a decent bandwidth plan at any legit datacenter. I don't think you're grasping what you're asking for because you've been spoiled by battleclinics hospitality. And they didn't do it because they liked you as much as they did it because it drew web traffic to their services.
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Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
98
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Posted - 2016.01.01 11:22:42 -
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Desmont McCallock wrote:You surely know your stuff, sir. This was what I had in mind but apparently I failed to comunicate that on my OP for the Linux savvy ppl. Whoever deals with Windows Servers know what you are referring to and I hoped that someone with an MSDN subscription could pitch in.
Actually, he doesn't "know his stuff" and anyone who actually worked with MSDN knows its limitations.
You can ignore what people are telling you here all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you must have a valid license per any server you run. Running virtual machines with these MSDN licenses on production servers is violation of the TOS. Period.
From MSDN terms of service:
Quote:a. General. - One user may install and use copies of the software to develop and test your applications. You may not use the software on a device or server in a production environment.
And the Microsoft license doesn't care if you make money from the app or not, by "production" it means public facing servers that serves users of the applications, as opposed to servers that are used internally for development and testing.
From Visual Studio 2015 white paper:
Quote:A production environment is defined as an environment that is accessed by end users of an application (such as an Internet Web site) and that is used for more than Acceptance Testing of that application or Feedback. Some scenarios that constitute production environments include:
- Environments that connect to a production database.
- Environments that support disaster-recovery or backup for a production environment.
- Environments that are used for production at least some of the time, such a server that is rotated into production during peak periods of activity
Windows Server has special Datacenter license that entitles you to run VMs but it comes with its own set of limitations (it's not unlimited across the board, you can use it only on 2 CPU's) and is quite pricey.
You can read it all in Microsoft virtual environment briefs:
Quote:Each license of Windows Server 2012 R2 Datacenter covers up to two physical processors on a single server
And anyone who actually installed and administrated Windows Servers knows that there is quite a hard limit on the number of VM's you can run on a single machine with 2 physical processors as Windows Server is quite resource hungry. So that "unlimited" is not really relevant to anything.
SQL Server developer/express editions can't be used in production environments either, as described in SQL Server licensing guide.
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vipeer
Infinite Point Northern Army
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Posted - 2016.01.01 13:03:05 -
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Draugo Rana wrote: And anyone who actually installed and administrated Windows Servers knows that there is quite a hard limit on the number of VM's you can run on a single machine with 2 physical processors as Windows Server is quite resource hungry. So that "unlimited" is not really relevant to anything.
Yes, so how many VM's can you run on a 2 CPU System?
A quite common average is to run 8 vCPI's per Core in a Server if it's not very CPU intensive workloads. So: 2 CPU's * 18 Cores = 36 Cores in total * 8 vCPU = 288 VM's with 1 vCPU each (or 144 with 2 vCPUs) That's on average 216 VM's (50% with 1 vCPU and 50% with 2 vCPUS)
So on a system with 200+ VM's it's damn cheap to run Datacenter Edition even if it costs a bit, and it wouldn't be an issue to give 3 VM's to help out the community. In fact, when an Enterprise Company does the calculation, it's break even at 13 VM's. Up till that, it's cheaper to buy the normal Licenses per VM and after that it's cheaper to license the host.
Regarding the MSDN Licenses, you are right. That's stuff I don't know very well. I was under the impression those rules were more generous than they obviously are.
Sorry, we are getting of track here. I dont think it's an unreasonable request from someone spending time on developing the software and not wanting to spend also a lot of money for something that he is offering for free. |
Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
100
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Posted - 2016.01.01 13:33:42 -
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vipeer wrote: Yes, so how many VM's can you run on a 2 CPU System?
A quite common average is to run 8 vCPU's per Core on a Host if it's not a very CPU intensive workloads. So: 2 CPU's * 18 Cores = 36 Cores in total * 8 vCPU = 288 VM's with 1 vCPU each (or 144 with 2 vCPUs) That's on average 216 VM's (50% with 1 vCPU and 50% with 2 vCPUS)
So on a system with 200+ VM's it's damn cheap to run Datacenter Edition even if it costs a bit, and it wouldn't be an issue to give 3 VM's to help out the community. In fact, when an Enterprise Company does the calculation, it's break even at 13 VM's. Up till that, it's cheaper to buy the normal Licenses per VM and after that it's cheaper to license the host.
Ignoring other hardware requirements and additional licensing (like SQL Server), the type of hardware needed to run these setups is usually not lying around in the backyard of hobbyists from the EVE community. It is used by hosting companies who charge premium money for that, and for good reason. "Enterprise Companies" may do these calculations but they don't normally go around handing down free VMs to random internet dudes. Probably for the same reason your boss didn't like your Minecraft server on his company funded hardware.
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Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2016.01.01 18:39:24 -
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Draugo, I can't understand why you keep insisting. I never asked you to host EVEMon.
Linux/Mono can't be used as dev server, EVEMon doesn't compile. I want to use YAF.NET as forum software, I don't care about the PHP solutions. From the experience with BattleClinic, not that I have any complain but I prefer to admin the entire thing than constantly bugging others.
So, please do me the favor. |
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