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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
1180
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Posted - 2015.12.30 00:43:39 -
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Why no shinies this year for christmas?
Could have at least handed out something from previous years..
I'm sure we all would have liked to see more Geckos or something...
Am I just too early for christmas presents or something?
.. Or was another player correct in the claim that the gifts are in the frostline sites?
If this is correct, the 3 kings didn't make Jesus battle it out in the wilderness for his gifts.
Is this where you want to be when Jesus comes back? |
Otso Bakarti
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
609
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Posted - 2015.12.30 00:45:03 -
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Feeling a bit messiantic today?
There just isn't anything that can be said!
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Blueprint Buyer
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.12.30 00:47:16 -
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He's right you know...
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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
1345
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Posted - 2015.12.30 00:47:42 -
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Yes, always a good idea to threaten people with fictitious religious consequences if they do not do A. or B.
Or in this case not have done A. or B. for that matter.
EvE is shining, enjoy the show I would say!
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
1180
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Posted - 2015.12.30 00:56:36 -
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Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:Yes, always a good idea to threaten people with fictitious religious consequences if they do not do A. or B.
Or in this case not have done A. or B. for that matter.
EvE is shining, enjoy the show I would say!
I'm not the one that started the handouts... that was them...
For me, it's more like you can't say A without doing B, and you can't do B without saying A.
Oh, and as far as that fictitious religious consequences... The last part of my comment was a direct quote from a great movie, and was intended to be funny... Look it up. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1395
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Posted - 2015.12.30 00:57:33 -
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I sincerely hope it's because they realized that people are slobs who respond to gifts not with gratitude, but with the expectation of future gifts.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Blueprint Buyer
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:01:45 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:I sincerely hope it's because they finally realized that people are slobs who respond to gifts not with gratitude, but with the expectation of future gifts.
Yet they fail to deliver... |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
2199
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:02:23 -
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If I could, I'd replace OP's Christmas gifts from CCP with one piece of carbon.
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
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Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
1663
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:04:10 -
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I enjoyed the gifts we got. The special commidity items had some funny descriptions to read, and my alt looks hot in her festive rocket dress.
My lord.
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
1180
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:11:34 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:I sincerely hope it's because they finally realized that people are slobs who respond to gifts not with gratitude, but with the expectation of future gifts.
If you celebrate christmas, do you not expect christmas gifts on the holiday?
I mean, even if you're in a poor family, you typically have some sort of holiday routine, even if it's a christmas beating.
You can change your mind on your beliefs, but it doesn't change the fact that everyone else you've been involved with still expect the same of you...
Truthfully, I really don't care that much about the shinies, but it's kinda hard to break expectations to which CCP set in place themselves.
I didn't make them do it... They did it themselves.
If I gave you 1 million isk everyday as a gift, then suddenly stopped doing it, you too would wonder why even if you understood that it had all been gifts.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:16:02 -
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First of all, many horse have a tatooed number, not in the mouth, nor the teeth, but in between the two, below the lower lip.
Nonetheless, that doesn't mean not to care for the beast oral hygiene, and you may be responsible for putting it down , depending....
#2. Jesus who?
You might want to be careful about where you take the battle with this one.
It's even hard to mention about Amarr rituals in the EVE General forum due to NDAs. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4912
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:17:15 -
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I'd be happy being able to put some of the goodies we got to redeem in my cargo hold...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
1663
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:21:41 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I'd be happy being able to put some of the goodies we got to redeem in my cargo hold...
Put them in a cargo container, then put the container in your cargohold.
My lord.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
738
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:25:30 -
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We did. I still have some 28 or so items I haven't redeemed yet (waiting to get back to my home system next month). No Geckos, but something as functionally practical as Geckos and Leopards are an exception, not the norm. Mind you, I wouldn't mind more Geckos and the likes, but I figure one-time deals are suppose to be, in fact, one-time deals. No offense, but this would literally be like me complaining that I never received a Zephyr because they won't hand out any more than they did when they did.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
1180
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:38:04 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:We did. I still have some 28 or so items I haven't redeemed yet (waiting to get back to my home system next month). No Geckos, but something as functionally practical as Geckos and Leopards are an exception, not the norm. Mind you, I wouldn't mind more Geckos and the likes, but I figure one-time deals are suppose to be, in fact, one-time deals. No offense, but this would literally be like me complaining that I never received a Zephyr because they won't hand out any more than they did when they did.
Well, I didn't get some of the presents they gave out, cause I wasn't subbed at the time.
Geckos being one of the items I didn't get, but that's not why I posted this thread.
If I don't go to the christmas party where gifts are being handed out, I can't expect to be given a gift if I know they're only given to people at the party.
Now, as far as all the garbage goods they gave us (apart from the clothing, which is like stuffing socks in the package of a toy) the best I could do with that stuff is trash it..
I don't collect mementos of the game, so a bunch of random stuff that has no practical value is worthless to me.
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Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
1665
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:41:56 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:I don't collect mementos of the game, so a bunch of random stuff that has no practical value is worthless to me.
Those items do have an ISK value, you know. Also the longer you hold onto them, the more they're going to be worth in the long run.
My lord.
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
1180
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:45:07 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Joe Risalo wrote:I don't collect mementos of the game, so a bunch of random stuff that has no practical value is worthless to me.
Those items do have an ISK value, you know. Also the longer you hold onto them, the more they're going to be worth in the long run.
I don't think they're ever going to have a substantial monetary value, as they serve no functional purpose.
As far as having isk value, what I was able to sell was worth about 500k isk.
Not saying that's nothing, but in a game where most ships cost more than that, it's virtually nothing..
Again though, while I am complaining that we weren't given shinies, I'm not complaining so much as wondering why the sudden change of pace without providing information, to the players, as to why they aren't doing shinies... |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1401
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Posted - 2015.12.30 01:47:45 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:I sincerely hope it's because they finally realized that people are slobs who respond to gifts not with gratitude, but with the expectation of future gifts. If you celebrate christmas, do you not expect christmas gifts on the holiday?
If by "expect" you mean in the statistical sense that I will probably receive gifts, sure.
If you mean "expect" in the entitled sense that I deserve gifts and should complain about it a lot if I don't receive them, no, not so much.
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Truthfully, I really don't care that much about the shinies, but it's kinda hard to break expectations to which CCP set in place themselves.
No, it's easy. Just stop doing it, let the whiny little ***** throw their tantrums, and stay the course.
Quote:I didn't make them do it... They did it themselves.
If I gave you 1 million isk everyday as a gift, then suddenly stopped doing it, you too would wonder why even if you understood that it had all been gifts.
I would, huh?
Kind of a bold assumption that everyone subscribes to your own sense of entitlement.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Maldam
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2015.12.30 02:23:20 -
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I guess it is a bit rude, but I was disappointed in the gifts. Its not like this is a free to play game.
If CCP had just given out a lot of token gifts in earlier years, I would have expected it.
But the gifts from previous years were pretty good, they were appreciated, and I was actually looking forward to them.
Just my opinion, but decent gifts were a nice thing, and its hard to understand how this served any good purpose.
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Jax Kazen
Prometheus Deep Space Mining and Salvage
41
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Posted - 2015.12.30 02:24:45 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:I sincerely hope it's because they finally realized that people are slobs who respond to gifts not with gratitude, but with the expectation of future gifts. If you celebrate christmas, do you not expect christmas gifts on the holiday?
Ah...the true spirit of Christmas....good to see focus hasn't been lost or anything. |
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7239
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Posted - 2015.12.30 02:34:32 -
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"Where is my free stuff? Why haven't you given me my free stuff? I AM ENTITLED TO MORE FREE STUFF!!! Why is it that on Christmas, I'm thinking more about what I should be getting rather than what I could be giving?"
^^^^
Why CCP should never give anything for free to anyone for any reason.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1403
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Posted - 2015.12.30 02:35:51 -
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Maldam wrote:
If CCP had just given out a lot of token gifts in earlier years, I would have expected it.
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Just my opinion, but decent gifts were a nice thing, and its hard to understand how this served any good purpose.
I think those two sentences work really well in juxtaposition.
You expect shiny gifts because they've been given out in the past, yet you can't see how not giving out shiny gifts, and thereby curbing those expectations, serves a good purpose?
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
29214
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Posted - 2015.12.30 02:36:57 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:Why no shinies this year for christmas?
Could have at least handed out something from previous years..
I'm sure we all would have liked to see more Geckos or something...
Am I just too early for christmas presents or something?
.. Or was another player correct in the claim that the gifts are in the frostline sites?
If this is correct, the 3 kings didn't make Jesus battle it out in the wilderness for his gifts.
Is this where you want to be when Jesus comes back?
It is odd that someone so materialistic and cold hearted comes up with Jesus.
On another hand does it seem quite fitting.
In any case is there no use talking to you ...
... and I honestly wished CCP would exclude people like you from receiving gifts.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3876
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Posted - 2015.12.30 02:38:25 -
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I'm guessing it's because you guys didn't act bad enough this year. Every other year we behave terribly and we get rewarded for it.
Oh god.
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
1181
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Posted - 2015.12.30 02:40:50 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:[
If by "expect" you mean in the statistical sense that I will probably receive gifts, sure.
If you mean "expect" in the entitled sense that I deserve gifts and should complain about it a lot if I don't receive them, no, not so much.
More like in the sense that you would be disappointed that you didn't get anything.
Not disappointed in the sense that you were entitled and/or deserving of gifts, but more in the sense of you're accustomed to it.
Basically, it's like a daily ritual. If you like to drink coffee every morning, and you wake up to realize you're out of coffee.
There's no entitlement here, because you're the one that buys the coffee.
So, you can't really be mad and throw a fit, but you'll be upset that the ritual is broken.
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No, it's easy. Just stop doing it, let the whiny little ***** throw their tantrums, and stay the course.
Do you have kids?
If so, do you have rituals with those kids daily, weekly, monthly, yearly?
Maybe fishing every other weekend, bowling, ice cream..
Sure, it's a luxury, but try explaining that to your kids when you just decide to stop doing it, then tell them they're a little b*tch for being upset.
I realize we're not kids, but we all become accustomed to a tradition, ritual, or whatever you want to call it.
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I would, huh?
Kind of a bold assumption that everyone subscribes to your own sense of entitlement.
No, it's not entitlement.
If I explained to you that it was because I was quitting Eve and/or couldn't afford to do it anymore, you may be a little upset about it, but you'd understand.
A simple explanation goes a long way.
But if I suddenly stopped doing it, most people would wonder why, if not be a little upset; Not at you, but at the fact that something they had grown accustomed to suddenly stopped.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7239
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Posted - 2015.12.30 02:47:37 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:
Do you have kids?
If so, do you have rituals with those kids daily, weekly, monthly, yearly?
Maybe fishing every other weekend, bowling, ice cream..
Sure, it's a luxury, but try explaining that to your kids when you just decide to stop doing it, then tell them they're a little b*tch for being upset.
If you want to demonstrate you're not just throwing a tantrum because you expected free stuff you didn't get, analogising yourself with a spoiled brat probably isn't the best way to go about it. See, the adults playing this game, we don't care about the free stuff. It's fun, the lore stuff is entertaining and a joy to receive, but if we didn't get it, I can assure you, life would go on and no ***** would be given.
[EDITED OUT A WORD THAT THE LANGUAGE FILTER DIDN'T CATCH!!! OMG CCP YOU BREAK TEH FORUMS!!]
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1404
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Posted - 2015.12.30 02:48:30 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:[
If by "expect" you mean in the statistical sense that I will probably receive gifts, sure.
If you mean "expect" in the entitled sense that I deserve gifts and should complain about it a lot if I don't receive them, no, not so much. More like in the sense that you would be disappointed that you didn't get anything. Not disappointed in the sense that you were entitled and/or deserving of gifts, but more in the sense of you're accustomed to it.
I think it's weird that your first thought at being gift-snubbed by a family member would be disappointment at the lack of stuff.
I'd primarily be concerned that they have some sort of unaired grievance, and the implications about our relationship.
You know, **** that actually matters.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
29215
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Posted - 2015.12.30 02:55:27 -
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No, most people wouldn't.
Only a tiny minority of spoiled special needs kids complains about presents not being up to their expectations.
Please, point out the *masses* of threads and posts written by *most* people!
I'll wait.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7240
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Posted - 2015.12.30 02:56:21 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Joe Risalo wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:[
If by "expect" you mean in the statistical sense that I will probably receive gifts, sure.
If you mean "expect" in the entitled sense that I deserve gifts and should complain about it a lot if I don't receive them, no, not so much. More like in the sense that you would be disappointed that you didn't get anything. Not disappointed in the sense that you were entitled and/or deserving of gifts, but more in the sense of you're accustomed to it. I think it's weird that your first thought at being gift-snubbed by a family member would be disappointment at the lack of stuff. I'd primarily be concerned that they have some sort of unaired grievance, and the implications about our relationship. You know, **** that actually matters.
My family doesn't get me anything because I asked them not to. I'm fairly well off and have been given more than enough free stuff in my life to help me get where I am. That, and I don't really like the idea of getting free stuff just because 'christmas'. The most thoughtful gifts are when this happens: "OH! Look at that, I discovered something that someone I know might really like or need. It's not a special holiday where I'm obliged to give or anything, but I'm going to get it for them anyway because it's thoughtful."
Because at the end of the day, no special holiday obliges me to do anything. Same applies to CCP. Their obligations begin and end at what you've paid for. Anything else they give you is an act of generosity, and that includes the free expansions they provide you with.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
1181
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Posted - 2015.12.30 02:58:43 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Joe Risalo wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:[
If by "expect" you mean in the statistical sense that I will probably receive gifts, sure.
If you mean "expect" in the entitled sense that I deserve gifts and should complain about it a lot if I don't receive them, no, not so much. More like in the sense that you would be disappointed that you didn't get anything. Not disappointed in the sense that you were entitled and/or deserving of gifts, but more in the sense of you're accustomed to it. I think it's weird that your first thought at being gift-snubbed by a family member would be disappointment at the lack of stuff. I'd primarily be concerned that they have some sort of unaired grievance, and the implications about our relationship. You know, **** that actually matters.
I do not deny gifts simply because of grievance.
That goes against the idea of christmas.
Now, if I know you're hurting for money, I wouldn't expect anything, yet would still get you something. |
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