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Rane Torgo
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Posted - 2007.01.19 19:40:00 -
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I have been running level 3 missions in a Harpy Assault Frigate fairly successfully now. I am training up skills to be able to fly a BS effectively while saving funds to buy one. I have a number of level 4 agents available but am not sure that I am ready to take the missions on.
I have 4mil sp, all gunnery skills are at 4 or above and i use tech 2 small hybrids. Most shield skills are at 4 with passive compensations at 3.
Can I be successful at level 4 missions in the AF or should I wait for a BS or perhaps invest in a BC for level 4s to make the money for the BS? My missile skills are a little low as I concentrated on gunnery so a ferox would be a better idea in the short term than the drake. Can the Ferox handle 4s?
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Dolly Parton
Amarr
5punkorp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.19 20:31:00 -
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i can't tell you if you can do them in an AF, never tried. I do all my lvl 4's in an APOC (tank the hell out of anything) or Raven (for max damage with reasonable tank). I have some buddies that do lvl 4's in Command and HAC because of their resis. Power to you if you do them in an AF but I bet it would take a lot longer. I try to get the LP up fast so I don't loot or salvage any of the wrecks.
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Crag Heyder
Gallente
Icosothron Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.19 21:18:00 -
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Won't happen. Sure, you'll get a bunch of folks saying that 'I do it all the time', or 'I'm so bad, I have 10 mill SP and I solo Lvl 4's in my Atron easy', blah blah, etc.
You're not going to be able to solo any but the very easiest of the lvl 4 missions in a Harpy; I have all my harpy skills jacked up, 4.5 mill points in gunnery, 2 mill in engineering and the only 1 I can solo in Harpy is Duo of Death.
But by all means, give it a try and let me know.
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Kuang Jao
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Posted - 2007.01.19 21:30:00 -
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Sorry OP, I don't have an answer for you, but I am in the same boat, kinda. I've been using a domi for lvl 3's, 6 mil sp (2.4 learning, 2 drones, 1 mechanic) and yes, it is overkill. Lvl 3's are almost doable in afk mode 
With t2 eanm/hardeners/lar II's and ogre II's (and cap rechargers/injectors/NOS'), should I be able to solo 4's? Please, no laughing if thats a stupid question, I'm one of these guys who doesn't get a ton of time online and put all of my time into learning skills right off the bat. So effectively, I'm a noob.
And sorry again to OP. I'm not trying to hijack here, but I didn't want to toss up another thread with the same topic right after yours 
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Mastin Dragonfly
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.19 22:55:00 -
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If you're new at lvl 4 missions and Caldari, you may want to train up for Missiles and use the Raven. Rokh is quite a bit more expensive and harder to use.
For the Domi, you may want to try and fit 2 LARs and make sure you can run them for a good while. If you can do that you should be ok in lvl 4s. Lvl 4s will be a lot harder on your cap, your defense has got to be solid.
Also, make sure you know what you're getting into, find a website with info (don't have the URL for the one I use at hand, can eve-mail me in game for it though) so you don't start out with the hardest one and give up.
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Kuang Jao
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Posted - 2007.01.20 00:02:00 -
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Thanks Mastin.
I'm currently running a mar II and a lar II. I run the med with my tank, and use the lar to give an additional boost should I need it (although I hardly ever use it, like when I forget to turn the tank on ). But I'll fit 2 lar II's and see how my cap fairs.
Also, I currently use a webber and a tp to help out my tracking for a little extra dps from the turrets. Should I ditch those in favour of cap chargers and let my drones deal all the dmg? Are large turrets a good idea or will I be relying on the NOS?
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Colomor
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Posted - 2007.01.20 02:28:00 -
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To the original poster:
Harpy definately not the ship for lvl 4s. I am fairly certain it can not tank lvl 4s but even if it could, I am 100% certain breaking a tank on a decent bounty BS will be impossible.
As far as I know the only BC that is capable on taking on majority of lvl 4s is passively tanked drake, specifically set up to tank. But that requires setting up specifically for tank with SPRs in the lows and that hurts its damage. Even with 7 heavy launchers and its missile bonuses it has a hell of a time breaking tank on big battleships. Some people will say what about myrmidon and ferox. Yeah they can survive in lvl 4s but can't finish most of them in any decent amount of time.
HACs and Command Ships are usually for people that been around for a while and have the cash and the skills to fit those ships with T2/officer/faction mods. Those are birds for a totally different discussion.
The bread and butter of lvl 4 mission running are Battleships. People once again will argue but generally its accepted that Raven is the best for mission running, followed by domi, apoc and all th rest of BS. Raven is #1 BS for mission running due to versitility of set ups, great damage and very good tank. This applies to people who have been around for maybe a year or so. For those of us that have been around 2-3 years and ALOT of skill points can really fit almost any BS decently and do lvl 4s in it
I do not know much Apocs, but everybody says they got an awesome tank. Due to the fact that they got 7lows and lots of capacitor I'd say that's a probably a good bet.
Domi, is generally considered to be second best mission runner after Raven. People's opinions vary of course, but imho you really should be able to run 2LARs T2s for a looong period of time before you try doing lvl 4s in a domi. I also highly recommend T2 drones, T2 hardeners and sentries skills as well.
Once you have all that you can go out and make mad cash :)
In the end game alot of ships will do mission 4s reliably some faster then others.
In a perfect world I would be flying in Caldari Navy Raven fitted with about 2 billion worth of stuff, like X-type xl booster and gurista launchers and BCUs. I fully intend to get all of that maybe later rather than sooner:)
P.S for people that know more then me:
What's a faster mission runner the afore mentioned CNR or a fully fitted nighthawk? (Nighthawk with T2 launchers and faction boosters and BCUs)
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Mastin Dragonfly
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.20 08:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Kuang Jao
Thanks Mastin.
I'm currently running a mar II and a lar II. I run the med with my tank, and use the lar to give an additional boost should I need it (although I hardly ever use it, like when I forget to turn the tank on ). But I'll fit 2 lar II's and see how my cap fairs.
Also, I currently use a webber and a tp to help out my tracking for a little extra dps from the turrets. Should I ditch those in favour of cap chargers and let my drones deal all the dmg? Are large turrets a good idea or will I be relying on the NOS?
Most lvl 4s are doable with a lar/mar setup, some definately aren't so you want to make sure you can run that double lar setup. A lot of lvl 4s also have warp scrambling frigs, it's not always an option to warp out immediantly so you need staying power. I don't know how viable it is to rely on NOS to keep stuff running in missions as I never use them.
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Kadrush
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Posted - 2007.01.20 09:47:00 -
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Never tried in an AF, right now I only use a Dominix with all meds in cap rech t2, all rigs in cap recharg and 2 lar t2, can tank almost everything.
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bigred monkey
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Posted - 2007.01.20 13:54:00 -
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ok i use a cerberus and a raven, both with mix of faction and t2 stuff to run level 4's,
imho the cerb is great due to natural high resistances for taking out all the smaller stuff real quick whilst being able to take one hell of a beating!!! but breaking a b/ship tank??? it takes quite a while.
i would recommend that you trian up for a b/ship that can use missles, if you get too close to some spawns on lvl4's then the whole room will engage you which can result in tremendous lag! also the punishment some of thoose rooms can deal out is huge!!
i would say if you can use a t2 shield/armour set-up then give it a ***** but just make sure you warp align when you get in incase its too crazy!!
you could also try taking a corp friend along for back-up
4's are done quickly with a b/ship taing the heat and a smaller ship say b/cruiser or hac taking care of the frigs and cruisers for you, although inho this takes the fun out of it
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CaptainEO
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Posted - 2007.01.24 11:53:00 -
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I wouldn't recommend a Ferox for L4s. A Drake might work.
My tip for your first L4 experience - align immediately, and stay aligned. And watch out for scrambling frigs.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.24 19:01:00 -
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I am rapidly approaching 10m sp..
I am by far not ready for lvl 4 missions...
I have 7 sets of +3 implants now... all from lvl 3 missions and agents.
unless your flying a raven and can use it properly DONOT do lvl 4 missions.
one of my ex ceo's thought he was the **** in lvl 3 missions next thing i know he looses a CNR to a lvl 4 mission .. and he is double maybe triple your sp.
he was not ready for lvl 4 missions.
My advice would be... wait till u have the right skills then go hard.
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Mothmar Friedsquid
Gallente
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.01.24 23:35:00 -
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Lvl 4's are doable in a domi. They can really be ugly, though. I manage through them with a pretty um........ Minimal skill set. (7.5M or so SP) I'd probably have a much easier time with them if I took off the salvaging equipment and tractor beam....
I use EANM II's, a few specific membrane II's, T1 drones, some Nos's and two LAR's. The only times I really have trouble are when an entire screen lights up with little ****ers. Then I run and attempt to kill off groups quickly. I could solve many of my problems quite easily with smart bombs, though.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.01.25 00:38:00 -
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You don't want to try lvl 4s in an AF. You will have a very hard time breaking tanks, and tanking damage at times. You can likely do some lvl 4s using a Rokh, but you may end up making more money using that ship to blow through level 3s.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Kuang Jao
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Posted - 2007.01.25 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mothmar Friedsquid
Lvl 4's are doable in a domi. They can really be ugly, though. I manage through them with a pretty um........ Minimal skill set. (7.5M or so SP) I'd probably have a much easier time with them if I took off the salvaging equipment and tractor beam....
I use EANM II's, a few specific membrane II's, T1 drones, some Nos's and two LAR's. The only times I really have trouble are when an entire screen lights up with little ****ers. Then I run and attempt to kill off groups quickly. I could solve many of my problems quite easily with smart bombs, though.
Wouldn't your tank be a whole lot more effective with faction specific t2 hardeners rather than membranes? Membranes are passive, right (like 37.5% for t2's)?
And I hear what you're saying Ogdru. But I did lvl 3 serp ganza the other day, got myself all hyped up because I thought it was gonna be pretty tough. They hardly broke my sheild through the entire mish. I'm in a Domi, I don't shield tank .
So your saying that 4's are that much harder eh? I'm not doubting at all. I definitely take advice from those with more experience .
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kuang Jao
Originally by: Mothmar Friedsquid
Lvl 4's are doable in a domi. They can really be ugly, though. I manage through them with a pretty um........ Minimal skill set. (7.5M or so SP) I'd probably have a much easier time with them if I took off the salvaging equipment and tractor beam....
I use EANM II's, a few specific membrane II's, T1 drones, some Nos's and two LAR's. The only times I really have trouble are when an entire screen lights up with little ****ers. Then I run and attempt to kill off groups quickly. I could solve many of my problems quite easily with smart bombs, though.
Wouldn't your tank be a whole lot more effective with faction specific t2 hardeners rather than membranes? Membranes are passive, right (like 37.5% for t2's)?
And I hear what you're saying Ogdru. But I did lvl 3 serp ganza the other day, got myself all hyped up because I thought it was gonna be pretty tough. They hardly broke my sheild through the entire mish. I'm in a Domi, I don't shield tank .
So your saying that 4's are that much harder eh? I'm not doubting at all. I definitely take advice from those with more experience .
Actually they are that much harder. I just dont have the skills I need to do them in the ship I want to do them in. The absolution. I am 6-8 weeks off of flying one my self.
I just have 15 days of mechanic skills to take care of. thats all.
I do my lvl 3's ina sacrilidge as thats all i can realy afford to loose. and it done fine for lvl3 missions, especially missions I am farming such as Massive attack..
On a great week all my lvl 3 agents give it to me so I get 6 +3 implants a day. aint that hard to do when I have so many q20 lvl3 agents in system.
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Tao Min
Minmatar
Interstellar Excavations
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Posted - 2007.01.25 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad
I am rapidly approaching 10m sp..
I am by far not ready for lvl 4 missions...
I have 7 sets of +3 implants now... all from lvl 3 missions and agents.
unless your flying a raven and can use it properly DONOT do lvl 4 missions.
one of my ex ceo's thought he was the **** in lvl 3 missions next thing i know he looses a CNR to a lvl 4 mission .. and he is double maybe triple your sp.
he was not ready for lvl 4 missions.
My advice would be... wait till u have the right skills then go hard.
Greetings,
I do not agree. I fly level 4 missions in my regular Raven for quite some time now. At least long enough to boost my standing with my main Corp to 10.0. I have a total of 7m SP including skills to fly a Hulk, so abviously not all of it in the missile/shieldtank direction.
The single biggest and most important piece of equipment in your Raven is the shield booster. When I started flying 4¦s I saved some money up and bought myself a Gist C-Type XL Booster. With that nice piece of pirate stuff I didn¦t loose my ship once since then.
If I were you I would just try it for myself. Just try not to do the real big missions right fom the beginning and get a "feeling" for your ship. You know it¦s fun when you are not really sure if your will survive or not. ;)
Give it a try! :)
Fly safe,
Tao
P.S.: If you need advice on a certain mission or my fitting, just ask. :)
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Rachen Mysuna
Brotherhood of Polar Equation
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Posted - 2007.01.25 10:18:00 -
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my caldari character was created about 3 months ago(2.9m SP)
he has been running lvl 4's for about 1.5months and would have like 200k LP on agent if i wouldnt have taken the rewards so far
i think theyre too easy with raven, of course there is discussion about that you cant really nerf caldari for that, but it seems unfair that other races need like 10m sp characters to do the missions in about same speed
for times it takes about 35mins in massive attack IV (sansha) for example 
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