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Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.02 12:32:43 -
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Introduction:
Approved by the Arek'Jaalan research collective, the Heliograph project will begin with the start of the stellar year YC118. It will focus on developing a long-range transmitter capable of initiating communication with the Vigilant Tyrannos.
Goals:
To construct a transmitter and a listening post structure and open a communications channel with the Vigilant Tyrannos, who - to this date - remain an unknown factor in the cluster politics.
Methodology:
Due to its complexity, the Heliograph will require three phases. In the first, research material will be compiled and analyzed to ensure maximum probable compliance of the transmitter with both protocols and hardware utilized by the Vigilant Tyrannos. A full list of required materials: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cd-KByDcxleHeRL8zdH9MhW8kR8FICJvBwzx4bCrqVQ/edit#gid=0 is located under this hyperlink.
Once this data is collected and analyzed, construction of the Heliograph itself will begin. Since it may involve rare materials, depending on both scarcity and quantity required, another harvesting operation may be required.
The third phase of the project will commence once the Heliograph has been built. It will be transported from its berth in the Nein system, Ergruk constellation and moved to a new location. A message will be recorded in multiple languages, both new and old - requesting diplomatic contact from those who receive it. Following this, the transmitter will be powered up and a watch around it estabilished. Since New Eden cannot be considered a safe place, an escort detachment may be required for this phase.
Since the project is still in its first phase, the method of listening for the return transmission has not been determined yet.
Location:
The project base is currently located in the Nein system, in the Impro Factory. This facility will be used as a berth for the Heliograph itself.
Currently, all material processing is handled by Viriel. Another contact by the name Thomas en Gravonere will be available shortly. Materials can be transferred via the contract system or a direct exchange.
This thread will be updated with reports of each phase. Since Arek'Jaalan is a public organization, anyone is free to come to our aid in this endaevour - and any sort of help would be much appreciated.
We are fully aware that anything related to the Vigilant Tyrannos brings to mind violence. Arek'Jaalan will remain neutral in the Drifter-Amarr conflict, and the Heliograph will be used only as a communication device.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2272
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Posted - 2016.01.02 12:57:00 -
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The factor of Vigilant Tyrannos in the cluster politics have been already demonstrated by themselves.
For those, who have missed the recent events that have unfolded, they have attacked the Amarr Empire and assassinated the head of the Empire. Their behavior was shown to be hostile, they have resorted to the violence and direct attack instead of attempts to communicate or pursuit their goal by different means, they are currently enemies of the Amarr Empire, Caldari State and all the sentient and civilized life in our cluster.
Any attempts at communication with them with current status quo should be considered as collaboration.
All enemies of Caldari State and Amarr Empire SHALL DIE.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.02 13:28:27 -
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Oh yes, maybe, perhaps - but, Arek'Jaalan is neither Amarr nor Caldari. We are not at war with the Vigilant Tyrannos (and last I recall, neither was the State. Unless something changed). You can take your fanatism elsewhere, Kimmie, it will not do you any good here.
In fact, some of us believe that the weaponization of Sleeper technology - which this organization has opposed in the past - led to the current conflict. The reasons behind it are nothing but speculation though, hence the plans of communication.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
492
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Posted - 2016.01.02 14:15:50 -
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Is it just me or does this have a little tinge of "too little too late" at this point? Don't get me wrong, I commend an attempt at communication rather than mindless aggression, but it's rather remarkable that it has taken this long before it was an option.
Ah well, either way it's rather amusing to watch people reap what they sow.
I wish you luck on this project. Perhaps you'll even succeed, and wouldn't that prove... interesting? |
Veskin Sentinel
Vagrant Skies
A Band Apart.
16
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Posted - 2016.01.02 14:29:38 -
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I support this project.
Some time ago there was an autopsy of a Vigillant Tyrannos that lead to some good and interesting results. It had been made clear that whatever they are, they are either unwilling, or, more likely, unable to communicate with us. The results showed that they are probably connected so something, or someone, that controls them. If this is the case, the Heliograph will at least be able to determine who or what is the controling entity of the Vigillant Tyrannos, maybe its location, or its overall nature.
This will bring invaluable intel that we can later process and it will let us be one step ahead in this conflict.
I am just a little concerned of the safety of this endeavour, in the case of possible communication security breach on our end, but since the Heliograph itself is a device separate from our network, things can be pretty safe.
Gathering intel and data is also a part of any ongoing conflict and if we have a clue on what is behind the Drifters, it will let us be prepared for whatever comes next. Moreover - we will be able to respond quicker to any behavioral change of the Drifters, which will be invaluable in the attempt to settle this conflict.
So far the destruction of Drifters and Circadian Seekers around the cluster, has only lead to more conflicts, adding the fact that we still don't know what they want.
An alternative solution like the Heliograph project is most welcome.
I will do whatever I can to gather the required materials.
www.veskin7.blogspot.com - my EVE related blog.
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Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
902
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Posted - 2016.01.02 14:33:12 -
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Eh, you know what they say - better late than never. Especially now that things have quieted down, and a few punches have been thrown from both sides.
I don't rate our chances of success as certain, but sod the odds - we're going to do it anyway.
We have received several batches of material that are currently being transported to our site and are very grateful. Multiple safety measures have been enacted to ensure the security of the Heliograph, and we will do our best to prevent it from being used as a weapon - by either side.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
936
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Posted - 2016.01.02 14:54:21 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Is it just me or does this have a little tinge of "too little too late" at this point? Don't get me wrong, I commend an attempt at communication rather than mindless aggression, but it's rather remarkable that it has taken this long before it was an option.
Ah well, either way it's rather amusing to watch people reap what they sow.
I wish you luck on this project. Perhaps you'll even succeed, and wouldn't that prove... interesting?
We can still find some use for the transmitter. I imagine that during the course of the creation of the transmitter, A'J might also discover how a receiver and the algorithms needed to intercept, decrypt and decode all Drifter transmission may be devised. The project won't be a complete waste of time.
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Yarosara Ruil
Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2016.01.02 14:59:50 -
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Viriel you say? That half-witted aberration that fancies himself a Jovian? You Arek'Jaalan charlatans have always had a lack of standards when selecting your cohorts. Some more incompetent than others, yet you all produce bewildering degrees of sucess in your research.
Make no mistakes, Ser Seo. We are at war, and we might as well have fired the first shot. Grave robbing is a serious offense, specially when it is used to build black box technology that we can barely replicate. Do not waste your resources trying to reason with minds so alien they barely register as human.
Neutrality? That's laughable. Even now you raid their nests for pieces of a puzzle so imcomplete you need to hammer what few pieces you have for them to fit together. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2272
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Posted - 2016.01.02 15:09:42 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Oh yes, maybe, perhaps - but, Arek'Jaalan is neither Amarr nor Caldari. We are not at war with the Vigilant Tyrannos (and last I recall, neither was the State. Unless something changed). You can take your fanatism elsewhere, Kimmie, it will not do you any good here.
In fact, some of us believe that the weaponization of Sleeper technology - which this organization has opposed in the past - led to the current conflict. The reasons behind it are nothing but speculation though, hence the plans of communication.
You know, what is fanaticism? It is blind conviction disregarding facts.
Unlike you, minmatar, I make assumptions based on facts that happened and you simply ignore them for your gain, or to disrupt other beings, whom you hate (e.g. the Amarr Empire, who was a victim of Tyrannos attacks).
In your fanaticism you have forgotten that neither the State nor Empire have attacked drifters before. Neither the State or the Empire were at war with Drifters, when they have assassinated her Majesty.
They have chosen their course and you still fail to see it.
Maybe you will open your eyes finally and remove that veil of blind hatred that prevents you from reasoning clearly to realize what is really going on around you?
And also it is not "Kimmie", it is "Strike Commander Diana Kim". Learn to read insignia, it isn't really THAT hard, even five year old Caldari kids do it better than you.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
492
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Posted - 2016.01.02 15:19:56 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Is it just me or does this have a little tinge of "too little too late" at this point? Don't get me wrong, I commend an attempt at communication rather than mindless aggression, but it's rather remarkable that it has taken this long before it was an option.
Ah well, either way it's rather amusing to watch people reap what they sow.
I wish you luck on this project. Perhaps you'll even succeed, and wouldn't that prove... interesting? We can still find some use for the transmitter. I imagine that during the course of the creation of the transmitter, A'J might also discover how a receiver and the algorithms needed to intercept, decrypt and decode all Drifter transmission may be devised. The project won't be a complete waste of time.
Very much agree. I commend this attempt and project, even if Arek'jalaan started out as a cancer in the Republic. I still regret having failed to recognize that ahead of time. This might actually prove useful.
As long as it does not attract further... attention. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2273
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Posted - 2016.01.02 15:22:45 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote:Viriel you say? That half-witted aberration that fancies himself a Jovian? You Arek'Jaalan charlatans have always had a lack of standards when selecting your cohorts. Some more incompetent than others, yet you all produce bewildering degrees of success in your research. The whole Arek'Jaalan project was started by a team of dissidents (as the name part Jaalan suggests) and thieves, who have hijacked the Charon-class corporate freighter to pursue their personal goals and perform dubious scientific (or pseudo-scientific) experiments.
They hid themselves deep in minmatar space, since minmatars are well known for their affinity to criminality. Republic government did no action against the thieves and even one of minmatar corporations have accepted them as their own
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
903
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Posted - 2016.01.02 15:28:18 -
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Ah, Kimmie - you do well pointing out mistakes in my thinking. You see, I do have a tendency to veil my instructions too thinly for others to understand.
Let me rephrase my previous answer - go play a soldier somewhere else, dear. This is not your war. This is not a war at all. We do not represent the State, or the Empire.
And, well - while I put my trust in the Republic and its ability to hold the field - as tarnished as this reputation may be in this day and age - certain precautions have been taken to ensure the security of this project. Hopefully, we will be able to mitigate the attention received.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Ria Nieyli
37614
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Posted - 2016.01.02 15:31:46 -
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I say toss Borkstar to the Drifters. He's probably responsible for the whole malarkey anyway. |
Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.02 15:37:25 -
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Should one not trust Viriel, our additional contact - Thomas - is now in position and available.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2275
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Posted - 2016.01.02 15:39:16 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Ah, Kimmie - you do well pointing out mistakes in my thinking. You see, I do have a tendency to veil my instructions too thinly for others to understand.
Let me rephrase my previous answer - go play a soldier somewhere else, dear. This is not your war. This is not a war at all. We do not represent the State, or the Empire.
And, well - while I put my trust in the Republic and its ability to hold the field - as tarnished as this reputation may be in this day and age - certain precautions have been taken to ensure the security of this project. Hopefully, we will be able to mitigate the attention received.
Well, then you don't represent neither sentient, nor cultural species in our cluster.
As for is it my war or not, it is not for you to decide, minmatar. All enemies of the Empire are my enemies as well.
Moreover, your ignorance and inability to learn is appalling. I have stated already how to read insignia properly ("Strike Commander Diana Kim"), and you yet display a failure even at such simplistic comprehension check. No, minmatar, it is not "Kimmie" again. Maybe you will succeed in the third time? But now I really doubt.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2275
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Posted - 2016.01.02 15:42:54 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:I say toss Borkstar to the Drifters. He's probably responsible for the whole malarkey anyway.
Colonel, if someone should be blamed in the escalation of Drifter conflict, it should be these pseudo-scientists, who snatched and studied their body. While these incompetent fools tried to imagine themselves as smart guys, they have failed horrifically and with their amoral actions have caused a direct drifter retaliation, which, if I am not mistaken, was the first offensive action taken by drifters themselves.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.01.02 15:57:50 -
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Trii Seo wrote:Should one not trust Viriel, our additional contact - Thomas - is now in position and available.
Trust him? The guy is a menace to society. He's mentally ill, and you're enabling him. |
Yarosara Ruil
Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2016.01.02 16:01:34 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Trust him? The guy is a menace to society. He's mentally ill, and you're enabling him.
Preach it Colonel. Truer words never spoken. |
Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.02 16:02:54 -
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Arek'Jaalan has seen various oddballs and outcasts of society, he's done a good job so far helping out. There's no habit of throwing help out the window here.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Ria Nieyli
37620
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Posted - 2016.01.02 16:13:27 -
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Really? Let me help you then. |
Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.01.02 16:20:02 -
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Ways to help the project are up in the announcement.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Ria Nieyli
37622
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Posted - 2016.01.02 16:25:17 -
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So, give you money and then scram. Sounds like you're turning help away. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2275
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Posted - 2016.01.02 16:36:34 -
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Colonel! I demand you cease and desist.
Helping them would mean helping enemies of the State.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
903
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Posted - 2016.01.02 16:56:30 -
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Accepting help that people can usually provide.
You don't see us running around and conscripting people as data analysts. Those who wish to help in that regard, usually find us on their own.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Ria Nieyli
37622
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Posted - 2016.01.02 17:40:47 -
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That ship has since undocked. Good luck with your gamut of language recordings, and when that fails use images. |
Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
904
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Posted - 2016.01.02 18:02:46 -
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Thank you. We'll keep progress updates posted. A lot of equipment is arriving right now - phase one will be up and running in no time at this rate.
Of course, a full list of contributors - unless some wish to remain anonymous, in this case I'd appreciate that information - will be published for credit.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
687
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Posted - 2016.01.02 19:58:53 -
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What is the basis of the hypothesis that a new type of transmitter will enable communication with the Drifters?
Observation of the high level of coordination evident from Drifter operations would not seem to indicate any lack of communication tech. I agree with the earlier post that it may be more fruitful to focus on intercepting and analyzing whatever method the Drifters use to communicate among themselves. I think if they wanted to talk to us they would do so. I doubt the problem is that we haven't been transmitting correctly. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7905
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Posted - 2016.01.03 04:46:41 -
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So-- I see lots of Sleeper, Talocan, and Takmahl materials. What's actually doing the communication? And do you have any leads about the communication protocol?
Also, in keeping with the Arek'jalaan styling, do you plan on publishing material as you go?
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2278
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Posted - 2016.01.03 07:13:48 -
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What a minmatar can do during communication with drifters?
I can only assume they just want to surrender and become their slaves. They have quite an experience in that!
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
938
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Posted - 2016.01.03 08:13:59 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:So-- I see lots of Sleeper, Talocan, and Takmahl materials. What's actually doing the communication? And do you have any leads about the communication protocol?
Also, in keeping with the Arek'jalaan styling, do you plan on publishing material as you go?
Please clarify if the Talocan and the Takmahl civilisations exist about the same time as the Sleepers. If they do, perhaps they had communicated with one another and the materials may shed light about how inter-civilisation communication was done.
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Quattras Peione
Vagrant Skies
A Band Apart.
182
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Posted - 2016.01.03 11:36:15 -
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This initiative has my the full support of myself and my support staff. Those uninterested in taking this approach can decry it all they want, but something must be done. There is ceaseless blustering and rhetoric on all sides regarding the "correct" approach to an issue that frankly none of us are fully capable of handling in the traditional manner of "shoot it until it stops," yet meanwhile we are no closer to understanding these entities.
As for the concern over Viriel's involvement, I am less surprised than simply disappointed. Let us not forget that, first and foremost, the infomorph that was Dr. Borkstar is for all intents and purposes deceased. Those old grudges are irrelevant. Beyond that, and at the risk of sounding callous toward an individual that I still call friend, his present physiology makes him particularly suited to the project at hand and potentially instrumental in making any sort of meaningful breakthrough in deciphering the motives and methods of the Drifters.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Sani-Sabik
1162
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Posted - 2016.01.03 11:59:26 -
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As New Eden's greatest living Takmahl archaeologist, I would have to say that the inclusion of the Takmahl items, being several of their scientific texts, at first look, is somewhat unexpected, as the Takmahl were, as everyone should know if they've read my great works on the subject, active in the cluster between 1500 and 2000 years before present, and were not really contemporaries of the "Sleeper" civilisation, or the Talocan, whose activity in New Eden was several thousand years prior.
However, the content may pique the interest of the Drifters, as it includes a large amount of abstract mathematics.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2279
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Posted - 2016.01.03 12:00:00 -
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Something must be done, for sure.
And if you want to do something, grab a gun and blow out these biocybernetic brains out of their skulls. Smiling and waving, trying to say "Hi" to those, who are shooting at you, is a pinnacle of stupidity.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Veskin Sentinel
Vagrant Skies
A Band Apart.
18
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Posted - 2016.01.03 12:51:27 -
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Let's look back in time. Trying to get a broader view of the picture.
It started with the Caroline's Star event. Then Jovian listening towers started decloaking around the cluster. Then we met the Circadian Seekers, who were peacefully scanning around, looking for something. They did not attack anyone, even those of us that started shooting at them. So many of us kept shooting these sleeper drones, until they began to retaliate. Obviously these Seekers were looking for something, but they did not represent a threat... not until they interfered with our interests to study the Jovian listening towers.
Even with those circumstances at hand, can you just commit to an aggressive behaviour to something that you haven't seen before, something or someone that you know nothing about?
Aggression against the Seekers brought the Drifrters. Or so it seems. Maybe the events are not actually connected? Who knows... They are more than capable to put up a fight against us. In the meantime we utilized some sleeper tech for a new line of ships. I have no idea what Amarrians did to provoke the Drifter agression upon their empire.
Can you sense the irony in this? We provoke someone that we know nothing about and when they retaliate, we declare them as the aggressor... And we start defending ourselves. The Drifters are a threat to us just as much as we are a threat to them.
So trying to communicate is the obvious thing. This doesn't mean that we will still collaborate with them even if we establish a contact. Well, guns will not settle the conflict, as you may already see. But I guess whatever we do it will be completely natural. We gotta deal with the consequences...
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
941
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Posted - 2016.01.03 13:23:20 -
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Also note that the principles applied to the fabrication of transmitters are also the same principles applied to the fabrication of receivers. What can be used to send can also be used to receive.
Understanding these principles and fabricating these transceivers are the beginning steps of information warfare against the Drifters, if we can't sue for peace with them.
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Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
906
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Posted - 2016.01.03 14:49:16 -
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The inclusion of Takmahl mostly came from people dropping by with various amounts of Takmahl stuff. The biggest focus of this operation is on Sleeper data, then on Talocan.
As Talocan wreckage is often found among Sleeper within Anoikis, it's possible that they co-existed or one discovered the ruins of the other. If that's the case, documents from one may contain references to the other - and we may be able to fill in the blanks.
There are a few leads and theories as to how the communication protocol works - but, I can't really step up and say "this is how it works" at this point. Still need to commit some time to analysis. As it is an Arek'Jaalan venture, yep - we will publish reports from each phase.
And Kimmie, your... input is appreciated, but I think at this point the situation has escalated beyond just brutish, aggressive behavior. You should focus your effort on the Federation and Sansha you hate so much, wrap up the other two before you open up a third front.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7907
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Posted - 2016.01.03 18:15:01 -
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Quattras Peione wrote:
As for the concern over Viriel's involvement, I am less surprised than simply disappointed. Let us not forget that, first and foremost, the infomorph that was Dr. Borkstar is for all intents and purposes deceased. Those old grudges are irrelevant. Beyond that, and at the risk of sounding callous toward an individual that I still call friend, his present physiology makes him particularly suited to the project at hand and potentially instrumental in making any sort of meaningful breakthrough in deciphering the motives and methods of the Drifters.
With due respect, given Borkstar's history with regard to handling resources purportedly for the common good, you surely understand our concern. Did Borkstar ever, for instance, actually divvy up the salvage for that one Arek'jalaan operation he participated in? Did Viriel n+¬ Borkstar ever resolve that debt? Or did that gene therapy and amnesia wipe the slate for his various acts of malfeasance? Interestingly, we ran into similar issues on the several cases when n+¬ Borkstar participated in Consortium operations; he dawdled a bit, salvaging scrap and hanging back while the fleet engaged, cloaking while we fought the Vigilant Tyrannos, saying he'd provide half of the salvage to the Consortium, and he never did. Out of an overgrown sense of obligation, I still paid him for his participation in those operations.
In brief, I would say that the amnesiac n+¬ Borkstar may be operating under a new CONCORD ID, and may be much more mild-mannered than his prior identity, but the fruit does not fall far from the tree.
As for the project generally, I'm very curious about what sort of communication protocol is going to be used.
The inclusion of covert research tools is initially a curious one, but does make some sense in that they are associated with the non-signatory groups' research of warp-mediation technology. However, I do find it odd that you're not also gathering Antikythera Elements, nor using Ascendancy implants as a control system for capsuleer integration.
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Quattras Peione
Vagrant Skies
A Band Apart.
184
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Posted - 2016.01.03 18:40:44 -
[38] - Quote
Ms. Priano, with all due respect, I believe you are being a bit myopic in this case. If you take issue with entrusting Viriel with research materials - which is, of course, your prerogative - there are alternative contacts, namely this Gravonere fellow. Whether or not I agree with any character evaluations made is irrelevant, he is uniquely suited to assist in this project, mild cowardice aside.
As for you, Diana... Any who know me personally are well aware that my preferred means of dealing with problems of this scale is to look my opponent in the eye, face-to-face, and then empty their brainpan with a slugthrower. It's brutish and primitive but also effective and decisive. That said, it's simply not viable in this situation and I for one would love to see what happens when you attempt to do that which you advocate for the rest of us. After all, hypocrisy is hardly becoming of a soldier.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
907
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Posted - 2016.01.03 19:03:21 -
[39] - Quote
Well, it's worth keeping in mind that the current material list involves materials centered around research - not construction itself.
As for a capsuleer integration - in theory, including such subsystem would imply the need for one of us to control it. This is a course of action I'd very much like to avoid and construct a system that is fully automated. The need to control has always sparked conflicts about who gets to do it. Conflict is what this project needs the least.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Quattras Peione
Vagrant Skies
A Band Apart.
184
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Posted - 2016.01.03 19:49:33 -
[40] - Quote
Trii Seo wrote:Well, it's worth keeping in mind that the current material list involves materials centered around research - not construction itself.
As for a capsuleer integration - in theory, including such subsystem would imply the need for one of us to control it. This is a course of action I'd very much like to avoid and construct a system that is fully automated. The need to control has always sparked conflicts about who gets to do it. Conflict is what this project needs the least.
Absolutely agreed. Neutral objectivity is paramount in an endeavor such as this; there can be no room for even the appearance of bias.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
1928
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Posted - 2016.01.03 21:07:06 -
[41] - Quote
I will contact someone who is very interested in research of Talocan technology. He may have something what you need.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht
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EdXell
Perkone
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2016.01.03 21:50:38 -
[42] - Quote
This is a bad plan. We don't know how to communicate with the drifters beyond the fact that they don't speak. We don't know how to recieve a reply that the drifters will never send anyway because they have shown absolutely no interest in communicating with us whatsoever.
On the other hand this is better than fighting them and maybe we'll learn something along the way. I don't have much but I'll send over what I can. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2279
|
Posted - 2016.01.04 02:19:41 -
[43] - Quote
Makoto Priano wrote:Quattras Peione wrote:
As for the concern over Viriel's involvement, I am less surprised than simply disappointed. Let us not forget that, first and foremost, the infomorph that was Dr. Borkstar is for all intents and purposes deceased. Those old grudges are irrelevant. Beyond that, and at the risk of sounding callous toward an individual that I still call friend, his present physiology makes him particularly suited to the project at hand and potentially instrumental in making any sort of meaningful breakthrough in deciphering the motives and methods of the Drifters.
With due respect, given Borkstar's history with regard to handling resources purportedly for the common good, you surely understand our concern. Did Borkstar ever, for instance, actually divvy up the salvage for that one Arek'jalaan operation he participated in? Did Viriel n+¬ Borkstar ever resolve that debt? Or did that gene therapy and amnesia wipe the slate for his various acts of malfeasance? Interestingly, we ran into similar issues on the several cases when n+¬ Borkstar participated in Consortium operations; he dawdled a bit, salvaging scrap and hanging back while the fleet engaged, cloaking while we fought the Vigilant Tyrannos, saying he'd provide half of the salvage to the Consortium, and he never did. Out of an overgrown sense of obligation, I still paid him for his participation in those operations. In brief, I would say that the amnesiac n+¬ Borkstar may be operating under a new CONCORD ID, and may be much more mild-mannered than his prior identity, but the fruit does not fall far from the tree. As for the project generally, I'm very curious about what sort of communication protocol is going to be used. The inclusion of covert research tools is initially a curious one, but does make some sense in that they are associated with the non-signatory groups' research of warp-mediation technology. However, I do find it odd that you're not also gathering Antikythera Elements, nor using Ascendancy implants as a control system for capsuleer integration.
Considering Ms. Priano is a well known liar, who have lost her honor and failed either to stand for her words or prove them ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560 ), I recommend to avoid paying attention to her smear campaign she has started against Viriel or Borkstar or Viriel-Borkstar. Even knowing that Borkstar was the criminal, words of liar Makoto must not be taken into consideration by those, who value their reputation.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7908
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Posted - 2016.01.04 04:48:28 -
[44] - Quote
Maker, Kim, I'm surprised that the broken record hasn't managed to disintegrate by this point.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
687
|
Posted - 2016.01.04 08:20:59 -
[45] - Quote
Heh, I love that Kim is giving advice on the subject of good reputation. Brilliant stuff.
Anyway, back to the topic of communication with the Drifters. I have yet to read any evidence that our inability to establish dialogue with the Drifters is a technology problem. If I'm wrong about this, I would love to be educated on the subject. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2881
|
Posted - 2016.01.04 11:45:35 -
[46] - Quote
Rinai Vero wrote:Heh, I love that Kim is giving advice on the subject of good reputation. Brilliant stuff.
Anyway, back to the topic of communication with the Drifters. I have yet to read any evidence that our inability to establish dialogue with the Drifters is a technology problem. If I'm wrong about this, I would love to be educated on the subject.
Most attempts to communicate with the drifters I am aware of have used standard neocom communication techniques. It is entirely possible that they are outside the standard network though they could obviously link if they desired given the number of wrecks captured by now, and they almost certainly do link into it given they were aware of the Amarr proclamations. But this doesn't mean that their standard ships communicate that way or that they regularly communicate that way.
So use of more.... old fashioned techniques that are not FTL systems isn't actually a silly idea.
Though I will admit to being very perplexed as to why an old fashioned RF antennae array would need rare construction elements in it's make up, and why so many of these research documents being gathered seem to be unrelated. Even after in person conversations on this it still seems like partly being a resource grab. |
Ria Nieyli
37749
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Posted - 2016.01.04 12:23:23 -
[47] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:Heh, I love that Kim is giving advice on the subject of good reputation. Brilliant stuff.
Anyway, back to the topic of communication with the Drifters. I have yet to read any evidence that our inability to establish dialogue with the Drifters is a technology problem. If I'm wrong about this, I would love to be educated on the subject. Most attempts to communicate with the drifters I am aware of have used standard neocom communication techniques. It is entirely possible that they are outside the standard network though they could obviously link if they desired given the number of wrecks captured by now, and they almost certainly do link into it given they were aware of the Amarr proclamations. But this doesn't mean that their standard ships communicate that way or that they regularly communicate that way. So use of more.... old fashioned techniques that are not FTL systems isn't actually a silly idea. Though I will admit to being very perplexed as to why an old fashioned RF antennae array would need rare construction elements in it's make up, and why so many of these research documents being gathered seem to be unrelated. Even after in person conversations on this it still seems like partly being a resource grab.
Oh god they're going to fire an electromagnetic wave at ships that rely on a magnetic field to power their weapons. We're all dead. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
582
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Posted - 2016.01.04 12:40:48 -
[48] - Quote
No one listens to me, even though I have suggested time and time again how the Drifters are to be tamed.
When domesticating an animal, an early step in that process is the feeding of that animal. Nothing earns the interest and eventual trust of an animal more than food.
We know what the Drifters eat. They eat corpses. Our goal GÇö to provide them with an alternative, more reliable source of food. Slaves.
Instead of figuring out how to talk to the Drifters, we should be figuring out how to feed slaves to the Drifters. Forcibly, if necessary, in order to give them that first taste of slave meat and have them coming back for more. Like any number of wild beasts humans and subhumans have tamed throughout history, it will not even matter that the beasts don't speak our language GÇö by means of food, by means of slaves the Drifters will be tamed. Amen. Amarr Victor. |
Seraphim Risen
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
48
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Posted - 2016.01.04 18:13:23 -
[49] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:No one listens to me, even though I have suggested time and time again how the Drifters are to be tamed.
When domesticating an animal, an early step in that process is the feeding of that animal. Nothing earns the interest and eventual trust of an animal more than food.
We know what the Drifters eat. They eat corpses. Our goal GÇö to provide them with an alternative, more reliable source of food. Slaves.
Instead of figuring out how to talk to the Drifters, we should be figuring out how to feed slaves to the Drifters. Forcibly, if necessary, in order to give them that first taste of slave meat and have them coming back for more. Like any number of wild beasts humans and subhumans have tamed throughout history, it will not even matter that the beasts don't speak our language GÇö by means of food, by means of slaves the Drifters will be tamed. Amen. Amarr Victor.
And twirl your mustache the entire time? Really, dear, you are sorely misguided. We need to talk about your beliefs at some point.
Never not badpost.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2279
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Posted - 2016.01.05 11:44:37 -
[50] - Quote
Makoto Priano wrote:Maker, Kim, I'm surprised that the broken record hasn't managed to disintegrate by this point.
If you don't like your reflection in the mirror being intact, you could drink some tea. Properly made Kresh tea can help restore honor even to such disgraced persons as you.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2279
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Posted - 2016.01.05 11:53:19 -
[51] - Quote
Rinai Vero wrote:Heh, I love that Kim is giving advice on the subject of good reputation. Brilliant stuff.
Who would know that a federal can acknowledge a good reputation of a Caldari Officer?
What is next, supporting liberation of Caldari Prime from gallente occupation?
Admitting federal government and HQ guilty in war crime known as Operation Highlander?
Or acknowledging war crimes that gallente commit in Black Rise daily, that every capsuleer can see, but all frog loyalists blindly deny?..
Well, what can I say. You can think about my reputation whatever you want, but it won't affect my decision to pull the trigger if I will see you. Until there is at least one gallente occupant on Caldari Prime, there will be no safe place for a gallente agressor to hide from Caldari wrath! Glory to the State!
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Jadeheart
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2016.01.05 18:07:25 -
[52] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Maker, Kim, I'm surprised that the broken record hasn't managed to disintegrate by this point. If you don't like your reflection in the mirror being intact, you could drink some tea. Properly made Kresh tea can help restore honor even to such disgraced persons as you.
Tea to restore honer?
If this is true, why you so often have to challange capsuleers to dual you when you feel your honer has taken a blow?
Just chill and sip on that Kresh tea of yours! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2281
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Posted - 2016.01.05 18:50:44 -
[53] - Quote
Jadeheart wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Maker, Kim, I'm surprised that the broken record hasn't managed to disintegrate by this point. If you don't like your reflection in the mirror being intact, you could drink some tea. Properly made Kresh tea can help restore honor even to such disgraced persons as you. Tea to restore honer? If this is true, why you so often have to challange capsuleers to dual you when you feel your honer has taken a blow? Just chill and sip on that Kresh tea of yours!
Those should sip, who disgrace themselves. Thus I leave this privilege to types like Makoto.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
112
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Posted - 2016.01.06 07:52:19 -
[54] - Quote
They are abominations! They aren't humans! They aren't God creations! They must be burned, cleansed from existence! Talking with them will lead only to HERESY!
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
951
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Posted - 2016.01.06 08:14:46 -
[55] - Quote
Luna Hanaya wrote:They are abominations! They aren't humans! They aren't God creations! They must be burned, cleansed from existence! Talking with them will lead only to HERESY!
Remind me again how Vak'Atioh went.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
112
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Posted - 2016.01.06 09:13:31 -
[56] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:They are abominations! They aren't humans! They aren't God creations! They must be burned, cleansed from existence! Talking with them will lead only to HERESY! Remind me again how Vak'Atioh went.
I'll send you a couple of isk so you can buy yourself a history school textbook.
((
If you are a roleplayer, or want to learn about roleplay, please join "Out of Character" and "Intergalactic Summit" channels in game,
Lets show CCP that there are many roleplayers still here, and we want more Live Events!!
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
690
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Posted - 2016.01.07 19:40:49 -
[57] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Rinai Vero wrote:Heh, I love that Kim is giving advice on the subject of good reputation. Brilliant stuff.
Who would know that a federal can acknowledge a good reputation of a Caldari Officer?
I was talking about your reputation among fellow Caldari. Which is atrocious, particularly among the State loyal contributors on this forum. That some of your most vocal critics are Caldari Militia pilots is surely a positive indication of sanity in the State.
Anyway, back to the Drifters. Isn't this whole project ignoring that by all indications killing is just a form of communication for them? |
Quattras Peione
Vagrant Skies
A Band Apart.
185
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Posted - 2016.01.08 09:05:54 -
[58] - Quote
While I understand the intent, pilot Vero, I disagree with your assessment that for the Drifters killing is a means of communication. While a message has certainly been conveyed, that being - pardon my Gallentean - for all of us to **** off, I don't think they see it in such a nuanced fashion. The violence they have visited upon capsuleer forces seems quite utilitarian in nature. They blow up whatever stands in the way of their admittedly unknown objectives and move on without any of the trappings of communiqu+¬ generally associated with armed confrontation.
To put it bluntly, I don't think we are important enough to them to merit being spoken to.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2297
|
Posted - 2016.01.08 09:10:12 -
[59] - Quote
Rinai Vero wrote:
I was talking about your reputation among fellow Caldari. Which is atrocious, particularly among the State loyal contributors on this forum. That some of your most vocal critics are Caldari Militia pilots is surely a positive indication of sanity in the State.
And I thought your name was Rinai Vero and not Arrendiot. Because we kind of... have one Arrendiot already and we don't need others.
Ridiculous, how low a gallente can fall. I mean, you REALLY can't come with something to blame me, so you have to make up such idiotic claims? Who would believe your hallucinations anyway? Or you listen to those traitorous scum who pretend to be loyal? Well, anyone with at least two brain cells will see who they are. Besides, we keep them under heel anyway. I don't remember any of traitorous scum spreading Gallente propaganda about me. Most often it is only your kind and, lately, low-witted tribals.
I have to notice though lack of loyal Caldari pilots to speak against all gallentean crap you spew around.
Next time, Vero, if you will want to say something bad about me and will fail to find some real facts, better keep your gallentean mouth shut, you will only present yourself as a fool. Like now.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
690
|
Posted - 2016.01.08 20:13:55 -
[60] - Quote
Not sure who this other person you're trash talking is, or why, but if they dislike you they're getting something right.
Also not sure who you're trying to convince of your own popularity. Perhaps your intended audience are young capsuleers who weren't around to see you universally condemned in this Summit for your support of Tibus Heth's murder of innocent Caldari civilians who's only crime was their political opposition to the Provists. |
Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
690
|
Posted - 2016.01.08 20:22:10 -
[61] - Quote
Quattras Peione wrote:
To put it bluntly, I don't think we are important enough to them to merit being spoken to.
The Drifters don't seem wildly interested in ingratiating themselves with anyone that we know of. Their actions have been unremittingly threatening if not blatantly hostile. Who honestly needs to exchange words to understand their intent at this point?
Now, the Sleepers are another matter. I do believe a project aimed at penetrating whatever virtuality they have isolated themselves within and making direct contact would pay enormous dividends. For one thing, if the Drifters are capable of communicating with anyone I imagine they would be willing to interact with the Sleepers. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2298
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Posted - 2016.01.09 09:10:37 -
[62] - Quote
Rinai Vero wrote:
Perhaps your intended audience are young capsuleers who weren't around to see you universally condemned in this Summit
Pity gallentean lapdog, how stupid you should be to claim Im "condemned", if only people who actually condemn me are such low-witted federal lapdogs like you and couple of tribals, who are by miracle managed to be even more dull than you.
What stays in your inflamed hallucinated and brainwashed by gallentean propaganda head doesn't become universal truth if you decide to spill it out.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
690
|
Posted - 2016.01.09 10:42:02 -
[63] - Quote
You're not going to insult your way to Making the State Great Again, Diana. |
Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
910
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Posted - 2016.01.09 13:35:43 -
[64] - Quote
That, I've got to say, is a lot of Kimmie ranting. Wow.
We have reached, and in some cases exceeded our most vital requirements - the Sleeper components and research materiel. The analysis has commenced yesterday, focusing at first on the base, physical structure of Sleeper communication devices. We will move on to the higher layers as the project continues.
It was one hell of a surprise to find that we got enough datacores and database materials to start a big research facility. The sheer amount of hardware will hopefully accelerate our progress through the more difficult sections of this research.
Thanks to several supporters, we have sufficient hardware to commence construction of the base components - and significantly lower the cost of the Heliograph installation itself.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2066
|
Posted - 2016.02.10 11:40:39 -
[65] - Quote
EdXell wrote:This is a bad plan. We don't know how to communicate with the drifters beyond the fact that they don't speak. We don't know how to recieve a reply that the drifters will never send anyway because they have shown absolutely no interest in communicating with us whatsoever.
On the other hand this is better than fighting them and maybe we'll learn something along the way. I don't have much but I'll send over what I can.
Perhaps they do speak, and it is ourselves who cannot hear. If opening comms with the Drifters can mitigate what would surely be a devastating conflict for all involved then it is a goal to strive for.
Should my scientific skills be of use then I am happy to assist. This project can mail me with requirements and research requests if they wish. I'm more than happy to assist. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
2066
|
Posted - 2016.02.10 11:46:33 -
[66] - Quote
Quattras Peione wrote:While I understand the intent, pilot Vero, I disagree with your assessment that for the Drifters killing is a means of communication. While a message has certainly been conveyed, that being - pardon my Gallentean - for all of us to **** off, I don't think they see it in such a nuanced fashion. The violence they have visited upon capsuleer forces seems quite utilitarian in nature. They blow up whatever stands in the way of their admittedly unknown objectives and move on without any of the trappings of communiqu+¬ generally associated with armed confrontation.
To put it bluntly, I don't think we are important enough to them to merit being spoken to.
That reads very much like a mirror image of capsuleers behaviour in sleeper sites. Perhaps they are some form of children learning from those around them. Perhaps this is a case of New Eden's Empires reaping what they sow. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5911
|
Posted - 2016.02.11 19:54:27 -
[67] - Quote
Good luck in your endeavours, ladies and gentlemen. I only hope that in your groping around you do not wake the dragon.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Gosakumori Noh
Hematology Advancement Program
Of Questionable Repute
730
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Posted - 2016.02.11 20:06:12 -
[68] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Good luck in your endeavours, ladies and gentlemen. I only hope that in your groping around you do not wake the dragon.
Although I am not that familiar with them, the Drifters appear to be a formidable opponent. One strategy when confronted by a formidable opponent is to add more to the mix, as they tend to have their own agendas and hate each other. Of course, if despite that they decide that their mutual agenda is to wipe out Mankind, oops!
Oh, wait! No, that is my agenda too!
Awaken the dragons!
Speaking of dragons, I believe that we built a great big statue to Tiamat out in Delve back before Tiamat was, like, cool and stuff - at least on the most recent cycle of Cool-and-Stuff. Wavelengths, you know. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5911
|
Posted - 2016.02.11 22:36:47 -
[69] - Quote
Oh, you. You'd be quite happy to awaken the Dragon provided it agreed to sit for a painting.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1025
|
Posted - 2016.02.12 01:30:51 -
[70] - Quote
Awaken the Dragoons?
The Dragoons are awake all the darn time, floating around neuting the hair out of anything with a capacitor.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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