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Cute SpyGirl	Posted - 2007.01.20 23:30:00 - [1] Miners and carebearers that live in safe space should have more protections from wars and suicide pirates. Without these protections, non PvP'ers will have low or no desire to continue to play this game. Most miners are focus on improving mining ships not fighting ships. For this reason alone, miners will always be defenseless. Joining a Corp and mining in a safe location are not that safe either, because Corp and ôsafe locationö can not stop a gang of suicide attackers. It is far more easier to be a pirate attacking miners than a miner defending against pirates. So why should you care? If you follow forums, you will notice that there is a lot of posts about people not leaving NPC Corp, High Sec, and recruiting problems. It takes players at least 4 to 6 mths before they can understand the scope of this game. If the carebear people are dying rapidly in the 1st month of game play, what make you think carebearers will ever leave NPC Corp, and high sec. Some people spent all their time rebuilding--like me, never ever get a chance to build anything new. Because we are always broke from losing ships. If we die all the time, our desire to go to low sec and/or 0.0 space is just not there. So the result of killing us miners/carebearers--created the only natural solution: Miners/carebearers will not go to low sec, in turn youÆll have no one else to play with. CCP updated the game to make new characters with more skills, resulting in enabling more pirates to kill miners. If you donÆt believe me, then do this: Create a group of 2nd characters, give them ships and a few skills. 5 days later, you will be able to take down any mining ships. Once your rating is too low to operate in high sec, then you delete the characters and create more pirates. Or you can just create a new account using the free 14-day trail account--using this method you can kill miners even faster. Solution to this madness. I got 2 solutions. #1 Make Concord react faster to suicide attackers- if you shoot, you will die. #2 Raise war'dec fee, 2 millions per week is too low - How about 10 mils per day? I love this game and I will not go back to WoW. If you want us to play in low sec & 0.0 space, then you must give us time to grow, otherwise, have fun in your empty space and recruiting channel. -Cute SpyGirl If you are coming to the next gaming convention, please say, ôHi!ö No pirates allowed.
Ice Conch	Posted - 2007.01.20 23:30:00 - [2] no Originally by: Fogy Originally by: James 315 Why do people say hi to Aneu? Its like the "Where's Waldo" book.. but "waldo" got his forum access removed.. now he keeps changing costumes
Daddy's Belt Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.20 23:33:00 - [3] Dumb. Someone's gonna get a buttwhippin'!
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.20 23:35:00 - [4] Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 20/01/2007 23:31:38 The carebear corps that work together, stay together. I have seen complete total and utter barge-flying Jaspet miners get impressive results just by virtue of pooling their resources, working together and looking out for each other. Fight back. Make sure you have your ops covered by a security detail. If you don't know how, ask someone to explain. Don't just fly around on your own and get hunted down. If people are becoming discouraged, it is not only because of the challenge they face, but because their leaders are not giving them direction. Logoffs on Fraps
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.20 23:37:00 - [5] The system is fine as is. There is no such thing as "safe space" in Eve. It is an exploit to envoke Concord in highsec and not die - if you shoot, you will die. Suicide gankers are a valuable pat of the game. If you're spending all your time rebuilding you're doing something wrong. Try going in to lowsec or 0.0, it's much easier to make money and you don't spend as long rebuilding. If it's so easy to make money killing miners and carebears like that, why don't you try it? Why should the whole game adjust itself because your personal niche can be difficult to play? ------------ HOW TO WIN EVE
Nathanial Victor	Posted - 2007.01.21 01:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Cute SpyGirl I love this game and I will not go back to WoW. Thank god for that! WoW sucks and is very different type of game than EvE EvE is fine the way it is. You gotta understand this game is PVP BASED. To that end everything revolves around being able to wtfpwn other PEOPLE. Sure, there are plenty of other aspects to the game to provide variety and many many many many ppl choose to all but ignore the PVP aspect and just carebear in empire. But this game does not revolve around the carebears, it revolves around the blood thirsty pilots and empires that make this game what it is at heart. PvP If you REALLY WANT SOMEONE DEAD in empire, you should be able to pwn them provided you wait for the right moment and perform your pwning quickly. This is not an error in concord response time. You WILL get concorded and pay your price in security hit, and hopefully if you were wise enough, you got your target b4 you were slaughtered. Wars shouldn't cost any more than they do either. You can always just surrender and void the war if you dont wanna get involved. Things are just as they should be.
Sgt Napalm Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2007.01.21 02:01:00 - [7] No Post with your main so I may lawl Retired [ISSN] [Video] Skool of Harpy - Da Blarpy
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.01.21 02:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Cute SpyGirl ... Most miners are focus on improving mining ships not fighting ships. For this reason alone, miners will always be defenseless... Right there is the Fundamental Flaw in your arguement. Just because you choose to play in a way that leaves you defenseless does not mean that the game should be changed to accomodate you. ------------------- ... [OK] ... zOMG!
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.21 02:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Sgt Napalm No Post with your main so I may lawl This is his main, more or less. He spends all day sitting in the recruitment channel with this and his other character, Cute SpyGirl and "fights the evil spammers" by giving recommendations out for certain recruits. It might be abit of an overstatement to say that he is the most *****y, immature annyoing peson in the recruitment channel, but... meh. I like overstatements \o/ ------------ HOW TO WIN EVE
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.01.21 04:32:00 - [10] Well, in fairness, she did mention a good point about suicide gankers in high-sec, and the fact that it's so easy to re-create suicide alts as well. Heck, if people want others to come into lowsec (and maybe create more targets that would actually fight back and/or stay), maybe fixing the suicide alt-recreate-suicide alt problem first would be a good idea? (And AFAIK, recreating alts to avoid the penalties of the old one's standings is a bannable offense. Why not take the next step and make it a near-impossibility?)
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.21 05:39:00 - [11] No ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
thetwilitehour Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.21 05:46:00 - [12] Maybe the point of Eve isnt to try to appeal to everyone. Maybe the point is that certain players, who enjoy the gameplay and the setting and the difficulty will want to play. Perhaps making the game "easier" or lowering the learning curve will dissuade players that like it specifically because its so complex with so many options.
glennkari Gallente DaHOOD Communication	Posted - 2007.01.21 05:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Nerf Caldari Suicide gankers are a valuable pat of the game. Excuse me.. but What?
Militis Kolosok Caldari Praetorian Black Guard	Posted - 2007.01.21 05:51:00 - [14] lol... there are threads where people ask for carebears top be nerfed and then there are threads like this one... also, NO. -KolosoK-
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.21 06:05:00 - [15] Originally by: glennkari Originally by: Nerf Caldari Suicide gankers are a valuable pat of the game. Excuse me.. but What? Think for a second. They are, and if you really have to ask why you didn't think or you don't have a brain. ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.21 06:25:00 - [16] Originally by: glennkari Originally by: Nerf Caldari Suicide gankers are a valuable pat of the game. Excuse me.. but What? Why wouldn't they be? Its a perfectly valid tactic that takes care of people who aren't willing to spend more than 1m on a ship to haul 15 billion in items. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.01.21 06:26:00 - [17] The fundamental problem with EVE isn't the game, rather it's the players. In particular, those so rigid in their play style that they expect (even demand) that others ù including the developers ù conform the game to suit their egocentric taste. This applies to both "carebears" and rabid PvP fans alike.
Forum Troll	Posted - 2007.01.21 06:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Cute SpyGirl Miners and carebearers that live in safe space should have more protections from wars and suicide pirates. Without these protections, non PvP'ers will have low or no desire to continue to play this game. Most miners are focus on improving mining ships not fighting ships. For this reason alone, miners will always be defenseless. Joining a Corp and mining in a safe location are not that safe either, because Corp and ôsafe locationö can not stop a gang of suicide attackers. It is far more easier to be a pirate attacking miners than a miner defending against pirates. So why should you care? If you follow forums, you will notice that there is a lot of posts about people not leaving NPC Corp, High Sec, and recruiting problems. It takes players at least 4 to 6 mths before they can understand the scope of this game. If the carebear people are dying rapidly in the 1st month of game play, what make you think carebearers will ever leave NPC Corp, and high sec. Some people spent all their time rebuilding--like me, never ever get a chance to build anything new. Because we are always broke from losing ships. If we die all the time, our desire to go to low sec and/or 0.0 space is just not there. So the result of killing us miners/carebearers--created the only natural solution: Miners/carebearers will not go to low sec, in turn youÆll have no one else to play with. CCP updated the game to make new characters with more skills, resulting in enabling more pirates to kill miners. If you donÆt believe me, then do this: Create a group of 2nd characters, give them ships and a few skills. 5 days later, you will be able to take down any mining ships. Once your rating is too low to operate in high sec, then you delete the characters and create more pirates. Or you can just create a new account using the free 14-day trail account--using this method you can kill miners even faster. Solution to this madness. I got 2 solutions. #1 Make Concord react faster to suicide attackers- if you shoot, you will die. #2 Raise war'dec fee, 2 millions per week is too low - How about 10 mils per day? I love this game and I will not go back to WoW. If you want us to play in low sec & 0.0 space, then you must give us time to grow, otherwise, have fun in your empty space and recruiting channel. -Cute SpyGirl If you are coming to the next gaming convention, please say, ôHi!ö No pirates allowed. I will give you a solution to all your problems without any changes to the game. Move to 0.0 and get the hell out of lame ass Empire.

Libertina ISD STAR Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.21 07:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Cute SpyGirl Once your rating is too low to operate in high sec, then you delete the characters and create more pirates. Or you can just create a new account using the free 14-day trail account--using this method you can kill miners even faster. The solution is already there. Above behaviour will get you and your girlfriend nice and cosy evenings without your eve account(s) for the next 30 or so years if brought to attention to the GM's.

Szprinkoth Sponsz ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.21 07:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Libertina Originally by: Cute SpyGirl Once your rating is too low to operate in high sec, then you delete the characters and create more pirates. Or you can just create a new account using the free 14-day trail account--using this method you can kill miners even faster. The solution is already there. Above behaviour will get you and your girlfriend nice and cosy evenings without your eve account(s) for the next 30 or so years if brought to attention to the GM's. You ban the girlfriend's accounts too?
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.01.21 07:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz Originally by: Libertina The solution is already there. Above behaviour will get you and your girlfriend nice and cosy evenings without your eve account(s) for the next 30 or so years if brought to attention to the GM's. You ban the girlfriend's accounts too? I think Libertina means the alt in the name of girlfriend.jpg
Sol Halcon Minmatar The Exile Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.21 07:48:00 - [22] Geez....carry some T-2 hammerheads in that miner. Defend your self!
Shayla Etherodyne	Posted - 2007.01.21 08:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari Well, in fairness, she did mention a good point about suicide gankers in high-sec, and the fact that it's so easy to re-create suicide alts as well. Heck, if people want others to come into lowsec (and maybe create more targets that would actually fight back and/or stay), maybe fixing the suicide alt-recreate-suicide alt problem first would be a good idea? (And AFAIK, recreating alts to avoid the penalties of the old one's standings is a bannable offense. Why not take the next step and make it a near-impossibility?) It is a bannable offense but almost impossible to detect and report by the target. How can I know that character Z belong to player A, and before that he used character X and Y to do suicde attacks in high security? That must be addressed by CCP.
Shayla Etherodyne	Posted - 2007.01.21 08:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Libertina Originally by: Cute SpyGirl Once your rating is too low to operate in high sec, then you delete the characters and create more pirates. Or you can just create a new account using the free 14-day trail account--using this method you can kill miners even faster. The solution is already there. Above behaviour will get you and your girlfriend nice and cosy evenings without your eve account(s) for the next 30 or so years if brought to attention to the GM's. Explain to me as I, the player can detect this behavior and demonstrate it? Even if the loot is always picked up by the same hauler, he can easily explain it as "I am an opportunist, I know that in Jita there are suicide gankers and I wait for good cargo drops". And I can't know it the owner of a character had another character in doing the same thing a week before. Only someone regularly moving high value cargo in paper thin ships would be the target of multiple attacks from suicide gankers. And I hope no one is doing that.
Shayla Etherodyne	Posted - 2007.01.21 09:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Sol Halcon Geez....carry some T-2 hammerheads in that miner. Defend your self! Want to suggest a Gisti shield extender or somesuch too? If the suicide ganker has minimal skill a barge is dead before locking, and the drones are only an extra gift to the ganker friend scooping the loot. Against rats in 0.5 or more normal drones are more than sufficents.
Gutsani The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.21 09:21:00 - [26] I normally dont post in silly threads like this that are complete crap, but the last couple weeks this forum has been spammed by em .. Eve is not a single player game, if you want to be a miner, fine. But what you ask is invulnerability in space, something that even in reality cant be done. If you want to be a miner, you might as well get someone to protect you. Its really not difficult to not get suicide killed .. what are you mining in? a barge in 1.0? those things have mids/lowslots also to put extenders on .. And if you cant fight wars, you might as well join an npc corp. 10 million a day, NERF PVP!!! FU .. you lot make billions a day watching a roid, then we have to pay **loads to kill you? ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!**
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.21 09:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Cute SpyGirl #1 Make Concord react faster to suicide attackers- if you shoot, you will die. #2 Raise war'dec fee, 2 millions per week is too low - How about 10 mils per day? I agree with point #2. War decs need to cost more to prevent lame play against new player experience. I think a better system would be, you can't PVP in high secs except in PVP arenas (duels or team duels), low secs for non-consensual PVP and null secs for free for all. Those who want to learn PVP or have a quick skirmish can play in PVP arenas. When they are ready for low or null secs, they can go play there. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Billy Sastard Amarr Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.21 10:16:00 - [28] Edited by: Billy Sastard on 21/01/2007 10:18:46 Edited by: Billy Sastard on 21/01/2007 10:17:35 Edited by: Billy Sastard on 21/01/2007 10:12:20 I will refer the OP to the Player Guide, section 16 (excerpts below); ò Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime, and even though they able to punish the criminal, they can't always prevent the crime. ò TREAT EVERYONE AS HOSTILE unless you know otherwise, i.e. if you don't know someone as a friend or acquaintance assume they are planning to kill you and watch them at all times. -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ IN SHORT, EVE ONLINE IS A PVP GAME WHERE PEOPLE SHOOT EACH OTHER, IF YOU CANNOT COME TO GRIPS WITH THIS, MAYBE YOU SHOULD RE-ASESS YOUR REASONS FOR PLAYING THE GAME. I too am starting to get REALLY annoyed at the huge influx of whine posts about how hard people have it in highsec. It is getting to the point where I am about to start a petition that all potential new subscribers should be required to read and be tested on the basics of the game. OK I guess I can stop ranting now.... -=^=-
Afrodite Etnellag	Posted - 2007.01.21 10:58:00 - [29] Edited by: Afrodite Etnellag on 21/01/2007 10:54:28 My corp and i have been targeted by suicide gangs in the past, many times total loss: around 6-8 bils of our tech 2 production It was not fun i tell you but it was our fault! We learned to be more carefull and we have being forced to get better equipment so what that means, Never move all your eggs in the same basket, and more importantly if you have to move it then do it with a freighter and not in cheapy tech 1 haulers, tech2 haulers are good, but then again its not 100% that you will not boom by 2-3 suicide ravens There is not such place as a safe place in eve, So from a victims view i tell you a big NO Empire has benefits, as well as dangers
Haffrage Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.21 11:08:00 - [30] Quote: Most miners are focus on improving mining ships not fighting ships. For this reason alone, miners will always be defenseless. Then whose fault is this? CCP's, or the player's for not having the sense to train skills that will protect them? You don't see banks whining because they're being robbed and no police came because they didn't have a security system installed. -----

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