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EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2007.01.21 02:16:00 - [1] Due to some changes (I think bug fixes) it is not possible to have a full board of trustees (about 10 people) on the FIN trust, as opposed to the current two. Along with a clearer bondholders agreement, there will be a vote soon(tm) for an adoption of a new board. I would like to open the floor up for nominations for the new board from existing investors. The board members that are pretty much definate (and have agreed in principle to be) are (in chronological order): 1) EFS Manager (Me) 2) EMFi Auditor 3) Femintaki 4) Serenity Steele 5) Naal Morno 6) Chribba There are currently 4 posts available and I would like the total board to reflect people whose character is above reproach and who represent the full sphere in Eve. (There are some people that I have in mind but have not had a chance to speak to yet) Sincerely, EFS Manager
Treelox Amarr Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.21 02:58:00 - [2] just wondering, why do this? Your current board has 2 people, why bother to get it up to 10 people. Didnt 2 people work? What does increasing your board get you/us? Also, I would think that an odd number would be better, since you would have a built in tie breaker. -- Signature edited - this is your last warning - Jacques
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2007.01.21 03:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Treelox just wondering, why do this? Your current board has 2 people, why bother to get it up to 10 people. Didnt 2 people work? What does increasing your board get you/us? Also, I would think that an odd number would be better, since you would have a built in tie breaker. A bigger board gives more security, as currently one two people need to be in on a scam, or 1 person needs to be away. I see your point and agree. Might be better to have an odd number. Thanks for the suggestion! /EFS Manager
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.21 03:57:00 - [4] Some ideas for nominees: Proton Power, Erfnam, Omber Zombie, me. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.21 04:11:00 - [5] Erfnam, Tzad, Omber Zombie ... ? The Enemy's Gate is Down
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.21 04:12:00 - [6] Erfnam, Tzad, Omber Zombie ... ? edit: Khatred maybe? He is in the realm of richness where stealing wouldn't make much sense. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.01.21 05:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Dark Shikari Some ideas for nominees: Proton Power, Erfnam, Omber Zombie, me. All seconded, and I further nominate Montaire and Paper Pusher, the former because I think he's very trustworthy, and the latter just for spite. ;) MP
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.01.21 05:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Dark Shikari Some ideas for nominees: Proton Power, Erfnam, Omber Zombie, me. All seconded, and I further nominate Montaire and Paper Pusher, the former because I think he's very trustworthy, and the latter just for spite. ;) MP I'd second a vote on Montaire. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
David H'Levi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.21 09:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Dark Shikari Some ideas for nominees: Proton Power, Erfnam, Omber Zombie, Dark Shikari. I'd drop Erfnam and throw Shin Ra on (not because I don't think that he would scam, but because I think he's aggressive enough about embarrassing people that he would announce a scam the second he thought that he saw one). Otherwise, a decent selection. We Recruit!
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2007.01.21 11:10:00 - [10] Thank you all for the feedback so far. Could I ask that everyone give ideal top 11 person board(make sense to be an odd number) and if possible also give a little bit about why that person. I realise that there are a lot of very trustworthy people that are not that well known (such as Barbicane who I would trust multi billions of Isk to without security). I for one am not sure who Montaire is, but then I do not deal in very wide circles. My one other long term concern is conflict of interest, and I would apreciate general feedback and thoughts on this. By this I mean that FIN may branch out into other business ventures that may become direct competition to some of the board members. Thanks for the feedback so far! Sincerely, EFS Manager
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.21 16:46:00 - [11] Montaire, Omber Zombie, Dark Shikari ------------------------
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.21 19:11:00 - [12] 1) EFS Manager 2) EMFi Auditor 3) Femintaki 4) Serenity Steele 5) Naal Morno 6) Chribba 7) Erfnam 8) Omber Zombie 9) Khatred 10) Tornsoul 11) Shin Ra I think you need someone who is not part of the "old boys" club as it were so someone like Shin Ra would be good there. I would be willing to do it myself, but I doubt I have enough time to devote to the game for it to be doable. Tornsoul is above reproach (though may not have enough time), Khatred is very rich and probably would be a good resource for pricing BPOs, Erfnam and OZ just seem trustworthy. The Enemy's Gate is Down
David H'Levi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.21 19:13:00 - [13] 1. EFS Manager 2. EMFi Auditor 3. Femintaki 4. Serenity Steele All of the above have proven to be at least nominally trustworthy at handling multi-billion ISK endeavors, and there's a minimum of conflict of interest. 5. Dark Shikari - Well-known and a reputation-*****. Also, has an interest in seeing FIN succeed because of TRUST. 6. Proton Power - Well-known and well-liked. Doesn't get along with some of the other board members so is probably more liable to expose potential scams. 7. Shin Ra - reason stated elsewhere. Jerk. Jerks are good for exposing people. 8. Someone with a lot of shares - Doesn't matter who, but someone who's primary interest sitting on the board is to make sure that his shares are worth quite a deal. 9. Omber Zombie - Same as 1-4, but perhaps with a conflict of interests. 10. Erfnam - Why not? Other's trust him, and generating outside trust is a big part of what you're trying to do. 11. Whoever YOU feel most comfortable with having as a trustee, since, as you've said many times, you stand to lose the most in this endeavor. We Recruit!
Montaire Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.21 20:01:00 - [14] I'd do it if asked, but would it be a conflict ? I own a chunk of shares. As for who I am, I do a great deal of industrial work in the North. Branch, Fade, Deklein, Pure Blind and the surrounding areas. You will likely have heard of me if you do much in those areas. People are often sent my way if they do not currently do business, but would like to start. Im commonly called "Monty"
Khatred OMG I can post in the CAOD section now	Posted - 2007.01.21 23:37:00 - [15] I would be a very bad choice for a trustee because everytime the fund will try to buy a ship bpo or it will be approached by a seller, I'll try to get it first _______________________________________________ CondorKestrelMerlinGriffinHeronBantamAtronImicus IncursusMaulusNavitasTristanBreacherBurstProbe \o/ I got Eve content in my sig.
Hehulk Black Sea Industries	Posted - 2007.01.22 00:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Khatred I would be a very bad choice for a trustee because everytime the fund will try to buy a ship bpo or it will be approached by a seller, I'll try to get it first Got ask, with the stuff I've heard about your T2 BPO collection. You broken a trillion in pure isk yet? ---------- It's great being minmatar, ain't it
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2007.01.22 03:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Hehulk Originally by: Khatred I would be a very bad choice for a trustee because everytime the fund will try to buy a ship bpo or it will be approached by a seller, I'll try to get it first Got ask, with the stuff I've heard about your T2 BPO collection. You broken a trillion in pure isk yet? Only T2 ship BPOs. Khatred has a sucky module BPO collection, but far too many ship BPOs for his own good. It would help if you convince him to donate some to me /EFS Manager
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.22 03:46:00 - [18] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 22/01/2007 03:43:13 Originally by: Montaire I'd do it if asked, but would it be a conflict ? I own a chunk of shares. Don't think so. People have been nominating me and I have 2 billion in FIN. EMFI Manager also has money in FIN, I believe. If anything, FIN shares ensure that the trustees have their own ISK riding on their trust. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2007.01.22 04:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 22/01/2007 03:43:13 Originally by: Montaire I'd do it if asked, but would it be a conflict ? I own a chunk of shares. Don't think so. People have been nominating me and I have 2 billion in FIN. EMFI Manager also has money in FIN, I believe. If anything, FIN shares ensure that the trustees have their own ISK riding on their trust. I agree. Having bonds is in no way a conflict of interests, as the trustees would there largely to protect the interests of the bondholders by making sure it is not possible to scam.
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2007.01.22 04:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Baun I think you need someone who is not part of the "old boys" club as it were... Baun, would you mind explaining who you think is part of the old boys club? /EFS
spotnik Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.22 05:30:00 - [21] If you want someone new I would like a chance for the job. http://ca.geocities.com/[email protected]/Spotnik0.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes and 400*120 pixels) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.22 07:03:00 - [22] Originally by: EFS Manager Originally by: Baun I think you need someone who is not part of the "old boys" club as it were... Baun, would you mind explaining who you think is part of the old boys club? /EFS Someone outside the T2 producing conglomerate and who isn't neccesarily intricately involved in the stock market/public eve corporations. More or less a sceptical observer who isn't unestablished in the community. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Treelox Amarr Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.22 10:51:00 - [23] Edited by: Treelox on 22/01/2007 10:48:34 Originally by: Baun Someone outside the T2 producing conglomerate and who isn't neccesarily intricately involved in the stock market/public eve corporations. More or less a sceptical observer who isn't unestablished in the community. While I agree Baun that is a great idea, and also brings some more out of the box thinking to the board. Unfortunetly trying to find someone who isn't a part of the stockmarket, a public corp, or part of the T2 "elite", AND established in the community will be a hard person to find. *edited because i cant spell -- Signature edited - this is your last warning - Jacques
David H'Levi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.22 11:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Treelox Unfortunetly trying to find someone who isn't a part of the stockmarket, a public corp, or part of the T2 "elite", AND established in the community will be a hard person to find. Why do they need to be an established part of the community? I thought the entire point of the Board of Directors was to make it so we didn't have to trust everyone involved. We Recruit!
Treelox Amarr Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.22 12:11:00 - [25] Originally by: David H'Levi Why do they need to be an established part of the community? I thought the entire point of the Board of Directors was to make it so we didn't have to trust everyone involved. granted we dont have to trust everyone envolved, but we do need someone who we know as a straight shooter. Someone known to at least some of us, who isnt part of what Baun earlier referred to as "the old boys club". I guess we could just pull the first newb we find in jita and through him the board..... -- Signature edited - this is your last warning - Jacques
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2007.01.22 12:51:00 - [26] Hmmm... maybe someone like ifni or Spiral Junkie. There is a thought as both have nothing to do with production as far as I am aware and both are well known. Thoughts?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.22 13:04:00 - [27] Originally by: EFS Manager Hmmm... maybe someone like ifni or Spiral Junkie. There is a thought as both have nothing to do with production as far as I am aware and both are well known. Thoughts? I'd much prefer if whoever was chosen was chosen because of trust, not because they're popular. Imagine if people started choosing Arnold Schwarzenegger and David Hasselhoff for real-life boards. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.01.22 13:17:00 - [28] Originally by: EFS Manager Hmmm... maybe someone like ifni or Spiral Junkie. There is a thought as both have nothing to do with production as far as I am aware and both are well known. Thoughts? No, for the same reason I typed SirMolle and then deleted in in my nomination post. Yes, he's got large quantities of isk and presumably knows how to handle it, but, more than likely, he doesn't give a damn about the financial underpinnings of even a few hundred billion isk. Unless the nominee has an appreciation for the gravity of the responsibility paired with a commitment to complete his or her job in the face of any adversity, I cannot in good conscience nominate them or support their nomination. MP
Tami Auryn Natural Evolution	Posted - 2007.01.22 13:20:00 - [29] I have 300 000 FIN shares (3b isk), i nominate myself for the board. I'm very sexy
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2007.01.22 14:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: EFS Manager Hmmm... maybe someone like ifni or Spiral Junkie. There is a thought as both have nothing to do with production as far as I am aware and both are well known. Thoughts? I'd much prefer if whoever was chosen was chosen because of trust, not because they're popular. Imagine if people started choosing Arnold Schwarzenegger and David Hasselhoff for real-life boards. For the record ifni is someone that I trust and there are a lot of people that trust Spiral Junkie. There is the added bonus that you KNOW they are not the same person, which is hard for the general eve player to be sure of. I often post with my alt, better known as Dark Shikari for example :P

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