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Wormik
The Northerners
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.01.06 09:00:37 -
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I have atm Amd 8320 8core , gtx 970 and some crappy motherboard wich keeps overheating with heavyer load. Getting about 30fps in bigger fleetfights. Will switching to a i7 and new mobo boost my fps ? And wich processor and mobo would be the best for around 600-700 eur to spend ? |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.06 09:03:33 -
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Install an SSD. The difference is insane.
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
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Wormik
The Northerners
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.01.06 09:06:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Install an SSD. The difference is insane.
Running eve off an ssd already |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.06 09:18:47 -
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Wormik wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Install an SSD. The difference is insane. Running eve off an ssd already
Then go for better graphics. nvidia. Though in fleetfights,
what use is it, as you should be mostly playing zoomed out.
You can either lower your gfx settings and save money ...
... or you can throw away a lot of money for something avoidable.
Of course is it your money, though. There's some threads out there already about upgrading,
you can go check out OOPE for one and there's one about laptops in GD as well.
Notebook GPUs work for orientation, just read up on what matters.
I'm kind of puzzled how a simple google can't answer your question within two minutes.
For example would you have found that higher single-core performance won't help your case at all.
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
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Posted - 2016.01.06 09:46:27 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Wormik wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Install an SSD. The difference is insane. Running eve off an ssd already Then go for better graphics. nvidia. Though in fleetfights, what use is it, as you should be mostly playing zoomed out. You can either lower your gfx settings and save money ... ... or you can throw away a lot of money for something avoidable. Of course is it your money, though. There's some threads out there already about upgrading, you can go check out OOPE for one and there's one about laptops in GD as well. Notebook GPUs work for orientation, just read up on what matters. I'm kind of puzzled how a simple google can't answer your question within two minutes. For example would you have found that higher single-core performance won't help your case at all.
GTX 970 should have no issues, the bottleneck isnt the gpu, upgrade your motherboard, if your overheating then that my explain the slow performance
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.06 09:59:01 -
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True. I for some reason ignored that line.
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
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Nuka-Cola Addict
Federal Logistics Initiative Conglomerate
United Interests
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Posted - 2016.01.06 10:32:51 -
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Lan Wang wrote:
GTX 970 should have no issues, the bottleneck isnt the gpu, upgrade your motherboard, if your overheating then that my explain the slow performance
Agreed. I have a GTX 960 and have no issues running this game on max settings @ 1080p. I don't even have a SSD. OP, also consider seeing why it's overheating in the first place - poor air circulation, dust on fans/heatsink, etc. Your CPU is fine and isn't bottlenecking the 970 so there's no need to replace it unless you just want to.
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Wormik
The Northerners
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.01.06 10:39:27 -
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Nuka-Cola Addict wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
GTX 970 should have no issues, the bottleneck isnt the gpu, upgrade your motherboard, if your overheating then that my explain the slow performance
Agreed. I have a GTX 960 and have no issues running this game on max settings @ 1080p. I don't even have a SSD. OP, also consider seeing why it's overheating in the first place - poor air circulation, dust on fans/heatsink, etc. Your CPU is fine and isn't bottlenecking the 970 so there's no need to replace it unless you just want to.
MSI 970A-G46 i have this motherboard and on higher load for example multiple eve clients on max settings or higher end games. Temp measuring software shows my MOtherboard overheating wich ends up with either pc restarting or some drivers crashing. Motherboard is clean and it didnt have that probleem when i first bought it. I even had to downgrade my CPU clock a bit to make the MB not heat up so much. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
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Posted - 2016.01.06 11:03:19 -
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Wormik wrote:Nuka-Cola Addict wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
GTX 970 should have no issues, the bottleneck isnt the gpu, upgrade your motherboard, if your overheating then that my explain the slow performance
Agreed. I have a GTX 960 and have no issues running this game on max settings @ 1080p. I don't even have a SSD. OP, also consider seeing why it's overheating in the first place - poor air circulation, dust on fans/heatsink, etc. Your CPU is fine and isn't bottlenecking the 970 so there's no need to replace it unless you just want to. MSI 970A-G46 i have this motherboard and on higher load for example multiple eve clients on max settings or higher end games. Temp measuring software shows my MOtherboard overheating wich ends up with either pc restarting or some drivers crashing. Motherboard is clean and it didnt have that probleem when i first bought it. I even had to downgrade my CPU clock a bit to make the MB not heat up so much.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2159362/msi-970a-g46-work-amd-8320-straight-box.html
For your FX6300 that is other story, the fx6300 has TDP 95W, but fx8320 has 125W, and that will make big different on the MSI 970A-G46.
The MSI 970A-G46 has only 4+1 power phase, that is not good for the fx8 series cpu, I add other link you will see what happens.
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Wormik
The Northerners
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.01.06 11:11:03 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Wormik wrote:Nuka-Cola Addict wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
GTX 970 should have no issues, the bottleneck isnt the gpu, upgrade your motherboard, if your overheating then that my explain the slow performance
Agreed. I have a GTX 960 and have no issues running this game on max settings @ 1080p. I don't even have a SSD. OP, also consider seeing why it's overheating in the first place - poor air circulation, dust on fans/heatsink, etc. Your CPU is fine and isn't bottlenecking the 970 so there's no need to replace it unless you just want to. MSI 970A-G46 i have this motherboard and on higher load for example multiple eve clients on max settings or higher end games. Temp measuring software shows my MOtherboard overheating wich ends up with either pc restarting or some drivers crashing. Motherboard is clean and it didnt have that probleem when i first bought it. I even had to downgrade my CPU clock a bit to make the MB not heat up so much. http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2159362/msi-970a-g46-work-amd-8320-straight-box.html
For your FX6300 that is other story, the fx6300 has TDP 95W, but fx8320 has 125W, and that will make big different on the MSI 970A-G46. The MSI 970A-G46 has only 4+1 power phase, that is not good for the fx8 series cpu, I add other link you will see what happens.
would this Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P V2.0 be a good MB for my cpu , and let me even OC a little if i wanted? or atleast run it on turbo mode. |
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.06 11:16:56 -
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You could get a couple of those heatsinks usually meant for video memory and put those on your VRMs. That should buy you a few degrees.
A signature :o
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Mai Khumm
Lonetrek Freeport
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Posted - 2016.01.06 12:02:16 -
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Never cheap out on the mobo!
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Leeluvv
Polarized
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Posted - 2016.01.06 19:11:18 -
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Eve uses 600MB, so high amounts of RAM are pointless.
Eve uses 300 MB of Video RAM, so a large amount of video RAM is pointless for Eve.
An SSD will speed up the initial loading, after which it has no effect whatsoever.
The graphics demand of Eve is actually very low, as the space is black, unlike grass, trees and rivers, so all a new GPU will offer is some effects you may not have noticed.
Hyper threading has no effect on most games at this time, in fact it can slow some games down (see Bioshock), so an i7 has no benefit over an equal speed i5.
AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL:
The Eve server has a 1 second cycle time, so your FPS is almost irrelevant.
https://www.themittani.com/features/understanding-eve-online-server-tick |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
30528
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Posted - 2016.01.06 19:24:59 -
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If you declare the SSD doesn't make a difference during gameplay ...
... like, while undocking ...
... then you never played this game.
Please ignore the above poster. Besides the above nonsense and pulling numbers out of her butt ...
Someone who declares that an i5 and i7 of equal frequency show no difference ...
... is either clueless or intentionally trolling.
She doesn't even know the questionmark...
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.01.06 19:35:54 -
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Wormik wrote:I have atm Amd 8320 8core , gtx 970 and some crappy motherboard wich keeps overheating with heavyer load. Getting about 30fps in bigger fleetfights. Will switching to a i7 and new mobo boost my fps ? And wich processor and mobo would be the best for around 600-700 eur to spend ?
Buy a liquid CPU cooler if you are overheating. No heat and no noise FTW. Many MB temp sensors are mounted beneath the CPU.
You can even re-use the cooler when you get new kit.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
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Posted - 2016.01.06 19:36:46 -
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Solecist Project wrote:If you declare the SSD doesn't make a difference during gameplay ...
... like, while undocking ...
... then you never played this game.
Please ignore the above poster. Besides the above nonsense and pulling numbers out of her butt ...
Someone who declares that an i5 and i7 of equal frequency make no difference ...
... is either clueless or intentionally trolling.
generally an i7 has hyperthreading which is commonly whats needed for multitasking and more used for creative stuff, they say an i5 is sufficient enough for gaming but i would rather have an i7 over an i5 regardless of what im doing.
however an ssd reads from the shared cache faster so i dont see how an ssd would not benefit the game
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Leeluvv
Polarized
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Posted - 2016.01.06 19:51:54 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Solecist Project wrote:If you declare the SSD doesn't make a difference during gameplay ...
... like, while undocking ...
... then you never played this game.
Please ignore the above poster. Besides the above nonsense and pulling numbers out of her butt ...
Someone who declares that an i5 and i7 of equal frequency make no difference ...
... is either clueless or intentionally trolling. generally an i7 has hyperthreading which is commonly whats needed for multitasking and more used for creative stuff, they say an i5 is sufficient enough for gaming but i would rather have an i7 over an i5 regardless of what im doing. however an ssd reads from the shared cache faster so i dont see how an ssd would not benefit the game
Hyperthreading doesn't give you an additional core, it pretends your single core is 2. If you're game is maxxing out your current cores, hyperthreading will give no improvement and may even make the game worse, as it is now trying to run 2 threads on a core, which was already maxxed out with 1 thread.
The numbers aren't pulled out of my butt, they are correct and were measured from running 4 copies of Eve simultaneously on my i5 PC.
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Leeluvv
Polarized
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Posted - 2016.01.06 19:58:46 -
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http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/gaming-benchmarks-core-i7-3770-hyperthreading-test-20-games-tested.216466/
"Hyper threading (HT) does not improve any notable performance in gaming on smooth gaming settings, despite scoring barely higher maximum frame rates in some games. In fact, HT decreases minimal frame rates by a smal margin in these games: Crysis 3, Metro Last Light Redux, Hard Reset " <= Because the additional overhead of managing 2 threads on a core that is already maxxed out with 1 thread takes CPU effort. |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.06 19:59:27 -
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When you run several copies simultanously ...
... you noticed that each copy uses less ram ...
... because they all share quite a lot of it.
My single client uses more than 600MB as well...
Your statement about RAM consumption is as invalid as the statement about EVE being fully loaded into RAM and it making no difference after initial loading. I also don't believe the vram numbers at all, but at this point it's pointless to go on.
And I don't see the point of continuously mentioning HT ...
Thanks anyway, I guess.
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
|
Leeluvv
Polarized
62
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Posted - 2016.01.06 20:03:29 -
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Solecist Project wrote:When you run several copies simultanously ...
... you noticed that each copy uses less ram ...
... because they all share quite a lot of it.
My single client uses more than 600MB as well...
Your statement about RAM consumption is as invalid as the statement about EVE being fully loaded into RAM and it making no difference after initial loading. I also don't believe the vram numbers at all, but at this point it's pointless to go on.
Thanks anyway, I guess.
You're right, the actual RAM was 600MB to 750MB and the game is 319MB.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
2252
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Posted - 2016.01.06 20:03:51 -
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as said the the i5 is sufficient enough for gaming, i only use i7 and xeons because i use programs which they work better on, the cpu and gpu are not the issue with the guys machine id say its a motherboard issue or lack of cooling (thermal paste, fans, ventilation, cleaning)
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.01.06 20:44:33 -
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Lan Wang wrote:as said the the i5 is sufficient enough for gaming, i only use i7 and xeons because i use programs which they work better on, the cpu and gpu are not the issue with the guys machine id say its a motherboard issue or lack of cooling (thermal paste, fans, ventilation, cleaning)
I have a FX 6300 at 4.5 ghz (990fx mobo with a proper psu design) with 16 GB of ram and a gtx 660. I regularly run 10 clients on it when boxing incursions. I can run them on low/medium and still get +30 fps each client (when overlayed in windowed mode) as seen in my videos. It's only when I'm forced into using OBS to record that I get a performance hit :(
So what I'm saying is I agree that his motherboard is trash for an 8 core FX CPU. The VRM setup used is only 4+1 which will cause the VRMs to run hotter naturally. These boards are also known for having VRM issues even without the 8xxx series CPU being used. I am surprised it runs much at all with an 8320. The motherboard certainly wasn't designed to handle the 8xxx series power draw. I would never recommend that motherboard be paired with anything higher than a stock fx 6300.
So my suggestion is to get a non crappy motherboard. You'll see a large improvement in performance. |
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