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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2007.01.22 02:02:00 -
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I always thought that cap ships couldn't jump while scrambled, or while within a warp disruption field.
But the LV titan jumped out of a mobile warp disruptor yesterday right in front of my eyes.
Is this an intended mechanic or a bug?
Shamis
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SibSpi
Beyond Divinity Inc
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.22 02:11:00 -
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Few things come to mind that could be the issue, was the bubble fully deployed? And was the center of the titan(Where the box appears when it's highlighted) in the bubble itself?
If yes to both, then I don't know.
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Posted - 2007.01.22 02:14:00 -
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read titan description ppl :
"Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare"
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.01.22 02:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Furian Raven
read titan description ppl :
"Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare"
I've had devs confirm to me that interdiction spheres can still stop them(since they're probes and not EW), but I'm not sure about deployable bubbles.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.22 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
But the LV titan jumped out of a mobile warp disruptor yesterday right in front of my eyes.
Thats because there is no LV Titan. Its EVE's equivalent of the flying dutchman.
I believe that in the event that such a titan existed, that it could only be stopped by interdictor bubbles and not anchorable bubbles due to the way that bubbles work, though I'm not sure on that. I have seen motherships stopped by interdictor bubbles before on SISI, so I assume that works...
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Ryysa
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 22/01/2007 02:56:50
it can JUMP out of anything as long as it has enough cap.
Same with a carrier, as long as you have enough cap for the JUMP, you can jump to a cyno.
However, you can't WARP. WARP != JUMP.
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 22/01/2007 02:56:50
it can JUMP out of anything as long as it has enough cap.
Same with a carrier, as long as you have enough cap for the JUMP, you can jump to a cyno.
However, you can't WARP. WARP != JUMP.
Since when 
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 22/01/2007 02:56:50
it can JUMP out of anything as long as it has enough cap.
Same with a carrier, as long as you have enough cap for the JUMP, you can jump to a cyno.
However, you can't WARP. WARP != JUMP.
Thats incorrect.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
AUS Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 22/01/2007 02:56:50
it can JUMP out of anything as long as it has enough cap.
Same with a carrier, as long as you have enough cap for the JUMP, you can jump to a cyno.
However, you can't WARP. WARP != JUMP.
If that's the case(I haven't tested it on my carrier myself) it's a bug. Carriers/Dreads shouldn't be able to leave while under any form of warp disruption, and MSs/Titans shouldn't be able to jump out of any kind of bubble.
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Ryysa
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:09:00 -
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hmph, perhaps i'm wrong in that case.
Always thought that only cap mattered, same as when jumping through a gate.
*shrug*
Maybe titans are bugged then :)
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Posted - 2007.01.22 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 22/01/2007 02:56:50
it can JUMP out of anything as long as it has enough cap.
Same with a carrier, as long as you have enough cap for the JUMP, you can jump to a cyno.
However, you can't WARP. WARP != JUMP.
Ryssa is right. We had a carrier in MM a while a go. It would undock and cyno out after a few minutes the alt would drop a cyno and the carrier would jump back in and dock. This was going on for heaven knows how long. So we set up a dictor and bubbled him when he undocked and sure enough he jumped out, we did that 2 or 3 times. Then we got a bubble and bubbled the station up good and proper. Again he did the same thing just undocked and cynoed out. Eventually he cynoed in hit the station and ended up 40k from it  . We engaged and he logged  Killed him right there as he couldnĘt warp out being warp scrambled as he was. 
In other words they can cyno out if they want, with enough cap even if his bubbled or dictored. I
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.22 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
I always thought that cap ships couldn't jump while scrambled, or while within a warp disruption field.
But the LV titan jumped out of a mobile warp disruptor yesterday right in front of my eyes.
Is this an intended mechanic or a bug?
Shamis
Isn't that the whole point of attacking a Capital Ship's Capacitor? Besides overcoming the tank that is.
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Altai Saker
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.01.22 07:40:00 -
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a response would be nice
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Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.22 09:43:00 -
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As long as you have enough cap, you can jump. Doesn't have anything to do with any EW that might possibly affect you.
Forsch
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.22 09:54:00 -
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problem i had with a titan being in a bubble is that these things are that huge that a bubble might not affect it due to it size, i had a hard time approching it due i bumpe off 5k before the titan and then it was more outside the bubble then it was inside.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.01.22 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 22/01/2007 16:43:12
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
problem i had with a titan being in a bubble is that these things are that huge that a bubble might not affect it due to it size, i had a hard time approching it due i bumpe off 5k before the titan and then it was more outside the bubble then it was inside.
This was a large mobile warp disruptor, and I think he was right in the middle. It should have been big enough to hold him.
I'd really like to know if this is intended functionality. It seems to make titans a bit overpowered. Its hard enough to kill them without using scramblers, but if bubbles won't hold them, then you have to be able to suck their cap down below 75% before they can jump out, AND you have to have them in a bubble, AND you have to have several scan probers ready to find him WHEN he logs out.
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DarkElf
Caldari
DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.22 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
I always thought that cap ships couldn't jump while scrambled, or while within a warp disruption field.
But the LV titan jumped out of a mobile warp disruptor yesterday right in front of my eyes.
Is this an intended mechanic or a bug?
Shamis
cap ships should not be able to jump while scrammed or bubbled. titans are immune to ew so can jump while scrammed but not while bubbled.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.01.22 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
cap ships should not be able to jump while scrammed or bubbled. titans are immune to ew so can jump while scrammed but not while bubbled.
DE
So you think what I saw was a bug, or do you think that this is actually how they work now?
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.22 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 22/01/2007 16:43:12
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
problem i had with a titan being in a bubble is that these things are that huge that a bubble might not affect it due to it size, i had a hard time approching it due i bumpe off 5k before the titan and then it was more outside the bubble then it was inside.
This was a large mobile warp disruptor, and I think he was right in the middle. It should have been big enough to hold him.
I'd really like to know if this is intended functionality. It seems to make titans a bit overpowered. Its hard enough to kill them without using scramblers, but if bubbles won't hold them, then you have to be able to suck their cap down below 75% before they can jump out, AND you have to have them in a bubble, AND you have to have several scan probers ready to find him WHEN he logs out.
well I'd hope for as much as they cost that they would be extremely difficult to kill. And AFAIK, any kind of warp scrambling is considered ELECTRONIC WARFARE, which titans and motherships are immune too.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.01.22 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Troubadour
well I'd hope for as much as they cost that they would be extremely difficult to kill. And AFAIK, any kind of warp scrambling is considered ELECTRONIC WARFARE, which titans and motherships are immune too.
There's a big difference between difficult to kill and IMPOSSIBLE to kill.
Also, it seems clear that the titan can't warp out of a bubble, so your mindlessly trite lumping together of all mobile warp disruption fields with all electronic warfare seems based in something other than reality.
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DarkElf
Caldari
DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.22 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: DarkElf
cap ships should not be able to jump while scrammed or bubbled. titans are immune to ew so can jump while scrammed but not while bubbled.
DE
So you think what I saw was a bug, or do you think that this is actually how they work now?
I'm guessing some kind of bug or simply bad game design. your right in what you said before, i too have seen many posts stating that bubbles do hold them or they would literally be invulnerable to harm.
you have to think how the game is designed in that sense. possibly they made it so a certain part of the ship has to be in the bubble and was poking out of the side  or possibly just lag. seen as these ships are so rarely used ccp hasn't had much chance to get bug reports and sort them out like they get with most ships when they are introduced so i guess bugs will happen.
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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.23 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 23/01/2007 09:28:28
can carriers or dreads cyno out of bubbles? i don't remember.
the doomsday device doesnt take up nearly enough cap imo. we had like 2 neut/nos battleships on him when he fired off his doomsday and then he jumped out only a couple minutes later, in the bubble. not even enough time to get my other battleship.
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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.23 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 23/01/2007 09:28:17
oops dbl post
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Helen
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.23 10:03:00 -
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Sorry you had two neut/nos BS and you expect that to stop him from jumping?
Holy crap a carrier can cap sustain that and still jump. Need more for a Titan.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.23 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
Edited by: mazzilliu on 23/01/2007 09:28:28
can carriers or dreads cyno out of bubbles? i don't remember.
the doomsday device doesnt take up nearly enough cap imo. we had like 2 neut/nos battleships on him when he fired off his doomsday and then he jumped out only a couple minutes later, in the bubble. not even enough time to get my other battleship.
Recharge time with some officer modules can be under 200s. And you think 2 neut bs will actually make a difference? Maybe, when you are shooting it with 5 dreads.
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Juan Andalusian
TAOSP
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.23 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 23/01/2007 10:24:21
Capitals can cyno out of Mobile Warp Disruptors and Interdiction Probe Spheres. They cannot warp while inside the bubbles but they can cyno. Always been like that.
Scrambled, with the ship module scrambler or disruptor, Dreads and Carriers cannot warp nor jump. Since Motheships and Titans are immune to EW the only way you can hold him is if you keep his cap below 72%.
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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.23 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 23/01/2007 10:31:19
Originally by: Helen
Sorry you had two neut/nos BS and you expect that to stop him from jumping?
Holy crap a carrier can cap sustain that and still jump. Need more for a Titan.
i wasnt saying it as if i expected the bses to do the job. i was talking about the superweapon
Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: mazzilliu
Edited by: mazzilliu on 23/01/2007 09:28:28
can carriers or dreads cyno out of bubbles? i don't remember.
the doomsday device doesnt take up nearly enough cap imo. we had like 2 neut/nos battleships on him when he fired off his doomsday and then he jumped out only a couple minutes later, in the bubble. not even enough time to get my other battleship.
Recharge time with some officer modules can be under 200s. And you think 2 neut bs will actually make a difference? Maybe, when you are shooting it with 5 dreads.
if he had officer cap mods fitted at all, he definitely doesn't have very many
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Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2007.01.23 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
hmph, perhaps i'm wrong in that case.
Always thought that only cap mattered, same as when jumping through a gate.
You dont need cap to jump through gates, besides Captials cant use jump gates anyway.
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Helen
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.23 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
Edited by: mazzilliu on 23/01/2007 10:31:19
Originally by: Helen
Sorry you had two neut/nos BS and you expect that to stop him from jumping?
Holy crap a carrier can cap sustain that and still jump. Need more for a Titan.
i wasnt saying it as if i expected the bses to do the job. i was talking about the superweapon
Superweapon takes even less cap to activate than the jump drive.
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Angelic Resolution
Arcanum Defence Forces
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Posted - 2007.01.23 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Valdor Hag
Originally by: Ryysa
Edited by: Ryysa on 22/01/2007 02:56:50
it can JUMP out of anything as long as it has enough cap.
Same with a carrier, as long as you have enough cap for the JUMP, you can jump to a cyno.
However, you can't WARP. WARP != JUMP.
Ryssa is right. We had a carrier in MM a while a go. It would undock and cyno out after a few minutes the alt would drop a cyno and the carrier would jump back in and dock. This was going on for heaven knows how long. So we set up a dictor and bubbled him when he undocked and sure enough he jumped out, we did that 2 or 3 times. Then we got a bubble and bubbled the station up good and proper. Again he did the same thing just undocked and cynoed out. Eventually he cynoed in hit the station and ended up 40k from it . We engaged and he logged Killed him right there as he couldnĘt warp out being warp scrambled as he was.
In other words they can cyno out if they want, with enough cap even if his bubbled or dictored. I
You warp disrupted a carrier. 
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