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Fencer Acrux
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:23:00 -
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Its been over two months since the Kali patch and one thing that everyone I speak to agrees upon is that the new map is terrible! It takes too long to open, too long to shut, is difficult to use, and CCP changed the orientation to a mirror image of what it was! What was the purpose of that, giving the galaxy to us backwards? I have tried to get used to it but no dice. It was a nice idea but poorly executed. Please give us back our old map, the new one really sucks.
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darklegionca
Caldari
Galactica Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:24:00 -
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Are you aware you can set the map changing option to instant open
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Admiral Feelgood
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:27:00 -
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I like the new map.
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JForce
N.W.A
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:27:00 -
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The new map is FINE.
EXCEPT IT'S UPSIDE DOWN. FOR THE SWEET LOVE OF GODS PLEASE TURN THE UNIVERSE BACK THE WAY IT WAS. |
Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:27:00 -
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Im still getting the stupid fading whenever i zoom out abit.
Doesnt matter what stat i have loaded, if i zoom out to look at more than a constelation all the informationg fades till i cant see it. Have to be constantly zoomed in and its driving me up the wall.
 Originally by: Ice Conch
In soviet russia, soap drops you!
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Acinonyx Jubatus
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:31:00 -
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I still like how you can have whatever plotted out or whatever you're looking at, and move the cursor just right, get it over something and make the whole thing flip out.
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Stitcher
Caldari
J.I.T. Enterprises
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 22/01/2007 03:28:48
Originally by: Fencer Acrux
Its been over two months since the Kali patch and one thing that everyone I speak to agrees upon is that the new map is terrible!
Wrong
It takes too long to open, too long to shut, is difficult to use,
Wrong
and CCP changed the orientation to a mirror image of what it was! What was the purpose of that, giving the galaxy to us backwards? I have tried to get used to it but no dice.
Press the "Flatten Map" button.
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It was a nice idea but poorly executed. Please give us back our old map, the new one really sucks.
Not signed. Seriously, the new map's awesome. Why? Well, I'll try answering the issues seriously this time.
It takes too long to open, too long to shut, is difficult to use,
The previous version of the map had a loading screen. This one zooms out instead (and I think loads as it pulls out. In actual fact, the difference in the amount of time required to open the map is pretty much negligible... in fact I think the new one is faster. Plus it looks far, FAR prettier than a little grey bar sliding slowly across the screen. And what's this "Too difficult to use" thing? 99% of the controls are exactly the same as the last incarnation!
The map being reversed in 3D mode is annoying I grant you, but clicking the "flatten map" button instantly solves it, and you can revert to 3D again without it screwing up. Plus, I'm pretty sure it's been reported by now, meaning that some patch in the near future will likely solve that particular issue.
Reverting to the old map will solve nothing. Because the two are effectively the same map, except that this new one has extra shiney bits.
I would, however, stand behind you if you were requesting that the game general options include an option to turn off the "pull out thing". I wouldn't use it, but it'd be nice to have the option for the sake of those people who don't want a little extra prettiness in their lives.
Oh wait.... It already exists.
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War Bear
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:36:00 -
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My only complaints are the 3D map being the wrong orientation and the lines being way, way too feint. I could care less about the "flatten map" feature. I didn't need it before and I don't want it now thanks. :)
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:51:00 -
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My only problems with it, are the new info pop-ups you get if your cursor goes near a star (I like having it there but it gets in the way sometimes), and sometimes when you open it, it's zoomed in on an empty part of the map, and not the system you're in.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.01.22 03:51:00 -
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i don't really see what is great or new about the new map. i really would rather them release the patch for the mail fix _right_now_ instead of making the map even fancier.
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j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.22 04:54:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 22/01/2007 04:52:01
There's only one difference between new and old map that i can really see (or rather, not see) ... the new map is bloody dark and because of it close to useless. If i try to plot 20+ jumps route, then set 'amount of pilots in space' or something similar as star colour, when i zoom out to see whole route at once all the colours darken to the point they become worthless. And the 5 point size grey font on dark background in the helpful tooltips doesn't help the matters any. (neither do popups being stupid and going offscreen if you happen to check out system close to upper edge of the screen)
Fix it please. Whoever thought it's cute to have black 'distance fog' on what's supposed to be information tool ... well maybe next time provide people with the checkbox to turn off these great ideas, just in case they aren't too appreciated --;;
Oh, and if you take time to built in a new map mode that allows to view the solar system in 3d and all the jazz... how about actually making use of it, by allowing people to view the systems they have currently selected, as opposed to being stuck with just the one they are currently in :|
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Lyzander
Caldari
Mugen Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.22 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
There's only one difference between new and old map that i can really see (or rather, not see) ... the new map is bloody dark and because of it close to useless... stuff, etc.
Amen. The "fog" is irritating to no end.
I don't particularly like the new angle controls or the orientation of the galaxy, but fix the damned fog and it'd be more than tolerable.
Just my two isk.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.22 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
The map being reversed in 3D mode is annoying I grant you, but clicking the "flatten map" button instantly solves it, and you can revert to 3D again without it screwing up. Plus, I'm pretty sure it's been reported by now, meaning that some patch in the near future will likely solve that particular issue.
The problem is when I hit close on a flattened map it has to unflatten the map, reorient itself, then zoom through the solar system to my ship. I want there to be absolutely no graphical transition between the map and my ship, especially when closing the map. Right now I get about 2 seconds worth of it, and its kinda annoying.
BTW, any possibility that we can get something resembling a command line. When I know exactly the system name I want, and don't want to adjust my autopilot settings, going through 3 or 4 different layers of UI to set my autopilot is very annoying. Why can't I just type something like "setwaypoint 1 Jita"?
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Solarflare Heavy Industries
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.01.22 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: JForce
The new map is FINE.
EXCEPT IT'S UPSIDE DOWN. FOR THE SWEET LOVE OF GODS PLEASE TURN THE UNIVERSE BACK THE WAY IT WAS.
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2007.01.22 06:48:00 -
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And of course, with the new map you can now jump between star systems and operate your overview without having the map screen close between jumps. That's been handy for me a few times already.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.22 07:26:00 -
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Old map was better.
New map lags when you try to move around the map with the little info tabs.
Also the old map could do "show only selection" showing lines between destinations without showing lines for the whole region.
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gfldex
Gallente
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.01.22 09:56:00 -
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I found myself creating BMs of systems I travel often to because it's way faster to set them as destination that way. In any other case I use ppl and places now instead of the new map.
When I want to find targets in a system I add now planets to my overview and move the camera around a bit. Systems I hunt often in I work from my memories to tell where I am and how the system is structured.
I never planed to do that it just happend.
The new map is slow, Hard to handle (changing focus by mistake all the time) and creates lag because windows swaps by default and you can't stop it from doing so.
The new map fails to be a quick information gathering tool.
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La Tortura
Infinite Style Incorporated
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.22 09:59:00 -
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Map is fine.
What I would like to have is old scanner map. Without pressing F11.
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Xsag
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.01.22 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: JForce
The new map is FINE.
EXCEPT IT'S UPSIDE DOWN. FOR THE SWEET LOVE OF GODS PLEASE TURN THE UNIVERSE BACK THE WAY IT WAS.
loooool - turn that frown upside down!
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LabTech One
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Posted - 2007.01.22 10:06:00 -
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For some reason I cant seem to get the lines between starsystems, no matter which of the options is selected. Very annoying, especially when I'm in a new region where I dont know the layout.
Don't want the old map back, but being able to plot a course through the new one as easily as the old would be nice!
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QwaarJet
Gallente
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.22 10:21:00 -
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Map is tosh. It's harder to see info(like corp mate whereabouts) and the annoying animation when you leave the screen makes it's significantly slower than the previous map.
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Nash Leigth
Children of Azathoth
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.01.22 11:13:00 -
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I do not like the new map.
It should be oriented the same was as territorial map is. I have to flip it every single time.
When I pick a specific region to show on map, the lines that delineate the region disappear if I try to zoom in and my mouse accidentally passes over one of the systems. So I can't zoom in to see a region because every time my mouse passes over some system or other.
If I accidentally pass my mouse over any system, these annoying info windows pop up. I don't want to see info on just any random system on my screen! And it makes the map lag a bit. How about making the info pop up if you actually click on the system?
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.01.22 11:17:00 -
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To the ones mentioning the dark/faded map. Do you have it open when docked?
I've found that when I'm docked the map is very dark, however in space it's fine.
Not sure if it's from environment lighting having an effect since the map was converted to a seemless...thingy.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
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Garia666
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.22 11:26:00 -
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i agree even with the flatten map i dont like this map.
when i use cntrl and my mouse scrollwheel it opens the freaking map while in battle thats so freaking enoying..
Besides if i use the map to set a destination after a couple of times it just wont show anymore and youll have to relog to set a new destination
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PC5
ClanKillers
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Posted - 2007.01.22 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: JForce
The new map is FINE.
EXCEPT IT'S UPSIDE DOWN. FOR THE SWEET LOVE OF GODS PLEASE TURN THE UNIVERSE BACK THE WAY IT WAS.
Its fine for YOU maybe. I assume that youre a carebear in empire space? No interest in PvP? Well then its really FINE for you.
But...
Imagine that youre in combat... you need to make key decisions VERY VERY fast and...
a) you hit accidently scrol on mouse, map opens, teakes 20 secounds to open/close, youre dead
b) you need VERY fast info... open map, zoooom.... animation, zoooom... wait.... type, lost precious time...
c) map is bugged, sometimes it stays at solarsytem view... again, in combat, youre dead
d) why is it upside down?
I can type few more but for what? I would love to talk face to face with designer of that system... i wonder who he is.
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xHomicide
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Posted - 2007.01.22 11:53:00 -
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I have stopped using the map since kali. I have opened the map maybe 3 times in the last 20 hours I have spent actively navigating eve. I just use people and places and memory.
The new map is horrible. What we wanted was a map even SIMPLER than the old one.
Keep your new ****y map that no one likes to dazzy new players. Then create a very simple 2D windowed map.
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roadrage639
Caldari
Deep Space Patrol
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Posted - 2007.01.22 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: PC5
Originally by: JForce
The new map is FINE.
EXCEPT IT'S UPSIDE DOWN. FOR THE SWEET LOVE OF GODS PLEASE TURN THE UNIVERSE BACK THE WAY IT WAS.
Its fine for YOU maybe. I assume that youre a carebear in empire space? No interest in PvP? Well then its really FINE for you.
But...
Imagine that youre in combat... you need to make key decisions VERY VERY fast and...
a) you hit accidently scrol on mouse, map opens, teakes 20 secounds to open/close, youre dead
b) you need VERY fast info... open map, zoooom.... animation, zoooom... wait.... type, lost precious time...
c) map is bugged, sometimes it stays at solarsytem view... again, in combat, youre dead
d) why is it upside down?
I can type few more but for what? I would love to talk face to face with designer of that system... i wonder who he is.
Agreed.. I have last several ships all rdy due to the stupidly retarded map.
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The Man Who Runs Will Fight Again |
DarkFenix
Caldari
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.22 12:07:00 -
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I think this is one rant I'm going to have to agree with. I don't like the new map either.
I hear what people are saying about the loading bar vs the new map, but even with "instant" set the new map tries to go through a load of fancy animation to open or close. It is slow. Slow is bad.
The orientation thing doesn't really bother me, I never use the map unflattened. However I can see such a thing being irritating for many (much in the same way it's irritating that your camera is zoomed in whenever you jump).
The info popups on each system annoy me too. I don't need popup info on systems I'm going to. If I'm going to a system I know what's there. I don't think this should be removed, I just want an option to disable this.
The last gripe I have is the now faded lines. I primarily navigate on the map by visual appearance, now CCP come along and change the appearance (ie. if you're zoomed out you can't see the lines).
Ideally, most of these issues will be fixed simply by adding the option to enable or disable them. In the abscence of such changes however I would just prefer a rollback to the old map. It's a map. You find your way with it. It doesn't need to be animated and shiny, it needs to be functional.
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Majutsu
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.22 12:08:00 -
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I like it, and no I'm no carebear and don't live in empire
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Ladyah Liandri
Take By Surprise Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.01.22 13:02:00 -
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Don't listen to the OP. The new system map is just grrreat! 
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