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Theon Taylor Liberavis Transport Dispatch Corporation 0	Posted - 2016.01.11 17:43:23 - [1] - Quote Hey, I'm looking at investing in a stealth bomber recently, starting to spend a lot of time in WH space. I'm quite unsure with what Stealth bomber to get, I have all but the Manticore skilled, I was also wondering if there is any ideal one to run along side a Nemesis (Which is what my friend runs) I'll train any skills which remain before using it. So I just wanted to know if there is a general consensus with which one is best to run generally? I think i'm more inclined towared the Purifier or Hound. Thanks
Luther Fairfax Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.01.11 18:52:44 - [2] - Quote The two best bombers are the Hound and the Purifier. Hound is faster with better raw dps. Purifier is better (In WH space) due to the huge amount of shield ships (Haulers, Barges and site runners) that you'll encounter there.
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 3309	Posted - 2016.01.11 19:15:23 - [3] - Quote Nemesis looks the best, seconded by the Purifier. If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Jace Varus School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 5	Posted - 2016.01.11 21:18:24 - [4] - Quote The differences are subtle, but the Purifier's bonus to Mjolnir torpedoes helps a lot, as said above.
Seraph IX Basarab Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies. 750	Posted - 2016.01.12 01:48:18 - [5] - Quote Actually most shield ships will fill their EM hole leaving Thermal at its lowest. House of Black and White An ingame channel dedicated to more interesting ways to play
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 494	Posted - 2016.01.12 03:12:17 - [6] - Quote I found this post from Chessur informative when I was choosing a SB. The rest of the blog has a lot of good info on the life of a SB. Chance says it's a choice between a 4/4/2 layout (Manticore/Nemesis) and 4/3/3 layout (Hound/Purifier). His 'Torpedo Delivery' handbook has a lot of good information on skill training, missile effects and bomber selection. The other consideration is the natural resist/damage profile of each race, but that's mostly for fw missions.
Luther Fairfax Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.01.18 07:30:43 - [7] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Actually most shield ships will fill their EM hole leaving Thermal at its lowest. You can look at this a number of ways. 1. It actually really depends on what race and tech level of ship you're shooting 2. EM is still often the lowest resist even after it's been plugged 3. Lots of people fit their ships to have uniform resists so it sometimes doesn't really matter what you shoot anyway 4. The kinds of ships that fall inside the engagement profile of a bomber are usually the kind that are shield tanked I can't speak for him, obviously, but I do think there's a reason for his choice of Bomber.
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Johnny Riko Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 103	Posted - 2016.01.19 15:36:14 - [9] - Quote There isn't a tremendous amount of difference between them. The biggest difference is the slot layout. For a 4/4/2 layout, I think the Nemesis is probably best, and for a 4/3/3 layout, I prefer the Purifier. The ones with 3 lowslots will generally put out better DPS, but there is more utility in the 4 midslot bombers. I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 3935	Posted - 2016.01.19 17:47:17 - [10] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: Nemesis looks the best, seconded by the Purifier. Think you mispelt Manticore. Oh god.

Seraph IX Basarab Angry Dragons Psychotic Tendencies. 759	Posted - 2016.01.19 20:36:31 - [11] - Quote Luther Fairfax wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Actually most shield ships will fill their EM hole leaving Thermal at its lowest. You can look at this a number of ways. 1. It actually really depends on what race and tech level of ship you're shooting 2. EM is still often the lowest resist even after it's been plugged 3. Lots of people fit their ships to have uniform resists so it sometimes doesn't really matter what you shoot anyway 4. The kinds of ships that fall inside the engagement profile of a bomber are usually the kind that are shield tanked I can't speak for him, obviously, but I do think there's a reason for his choice of Bomber. But it's not? Any t1 or faction shield ship that uses an EM rig will leave thermal as its lowest for example. House of Black and White An ingame channel dedicated to more interesting ways to play
Luther Fairfax Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 15	Posted - 2016.01.22 08:13:31 - [12] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Luther Fairfax wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Actually most shield ships will fill their EM hole leaving Thermal at its lowest. You can look at this a number of ways. 1. It actually really depends on what race and tech level of ship you're shooting 2. EM is still often the lowest resist even after it's been plugged 3. Lots of people fit their ships to have uniform resists so it sometimes doesn't really matter what you shoot anyway 4. The kinds of ships that fall inside the engagement profile of a bomber are usually the kind that are shield tanked I can't speak for him, obviously, but I do think there's a reason for his choice of Bomber. But it's not? Any t1 or faction shield ship that uses an EM rig will leave thermal as its lowest for example. Yeah, EFT'd it up, checked out some fits and it looks like you're right. My mistake. However, most unfit/passive/failfit industrial ships and passive fit shield ships still have an EM hole, do they not? They seem to account for a lot of the kills I get in my Purifier, but I would be curious to spend a month or two doing nothing but bomber PVP in WH's, duplicate the fit on EFT of every ship I killed during that time and figure out what the most common resist hole throughout all of those ships is.
Susie Homemaker Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.01.24 02:34:29 - [13] - Quote Luther Fairfax wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Actually most shield ships will fill their EM hole leaving Thermal at its lowest. You can look at this a number of ways. 1. It actually really depends on what race and tech level of ship you're shooting 2. EM is still often the lowest resist even after it's been plugged 3. Lots of people fit their ships to have uniform resists so it sometimes doesn't really matter what you shoot anyway 4. The kinds of ships that fall inside the engagement profile of a bomber are usually the kind that are shield tanked I can't speak for him, obviously, but I do think there's a reason for his choice of Bomber. Polletjepikhaar. I see him every once in a while and have spoken to him a few times in the past. His favorite bomber (IIRC) is the Hound for it's speed and one or two other characteristics but he flies the Purifier due to EM. 1. Yes, this is true. 2. No it's not, though you've already picked up on your mistake. 3. Yeah sometimes. 4. True. What you get a lot of the time in WH's is people flying totally unfitted (or failfit) haulers, barges or other ships like salvagers or site runners. Also all of the ORE ships are shield tanked and because miners are basically prime targets for a bomber, provided they're not bait, I think that is why EM is the most effective ammo type. Those Ventures though. Sometime's being able to fit 2 scrams is reaaaaaallly nice, since i'm too cheap to fly a bomber with blingy 3 point scrams.
ZmajOgnjeniVuk Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2016.01.27 09:46:03 - [14] - Quote Manticore best core!
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1094	Posted - 2016.01.27 10:16:47 - [15] - Quote Purifier and Hound are best in terms of damage output. You can squeeze 2 BCS into them on top of MSE, point and/or even damage control. [Purifier, 713 DPS heated] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender 1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] Small Bay Loading Accelerator II Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II [Purifier, 656 DPS heated] Internal Force Field Array I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Warp Disruptor II Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Small Bay Loading Accelerator II if you dont need a point, fit for pure damage [Purifier, 839 DPS heated] Co-Processor II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Medium Shield Extender II Target Painter II Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] Small Bay Loading Accelerator II Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II you can do similar fits with the hound too, which has a different damage type and shield resistance profile.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1777	Posted - 2016.01.27 16:08:08 - [16] - Quote ZmajOgnjeniVuk wrote: Manticore best core! For a couple of reasons. 1. Most folks can fly them, so it's easy to match up bomb damage (everyone grab a manticore works, everyone grab a purifier - not so much) 2. You can fit a point, painter, sebo and mwd on a manticore and go damage in the lows. The 4-3-3 layouts just don't give you the utility. 3. It's a great all arounder w/ high utility. I don't really tank bombers. MWD helps you dictate range if it's required and cov ops cloak is your main tank (you pick targets and timing). I fly wh, so I go w/ bomb launcher and guile. I know a bunch of folks do (at least did) use them in FW against other frigs. Some of those fits are interesting, but I've never flown them, so can't speak to their value. All arounder fit: Arby torps bomb launcher cov ops cloak MWD Sebo w/ scan res script painter long point BCS DC or I-stab (depending on your fitting skills) ROF rig Damage rig I use mjorn faction torps (guristas??) and concussion bombs It's a great average fit for anything that may come up. I use this as the 'go to' bomber when 'get it a bomber' goes out on comms. The only thing it is THE BEST at is having fun.
Atomeon The Scope Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2016.01.27 22:29:54 - [17] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: All arounder fit: Arby torps bomb launcher cov ops cloak I was curious why Arbalest launchers instead of Tech 2....till i fitted at EFT..... Shame they dont have enough CPU/PG to fit T2.... Now i wonder why Stealth Bombers are so crippled ships...
Iyokus Patrouette Empty Vessels 677	Posted - 2016.01.28 00:09:42 - [18] - Quote Depending on what you are trying to do, i would suggest a combat fit astero over any bomber. more variety in target selection that way, after all variety is the spice of life or something ---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
Orlacc 946	Posted - 2016.01.28 02:16:46 - [19] - Quote No uncloaking target delay on a Bomber though. I like that. "Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Orlacc 946	Posted - 2016.01.28 02:17:36 - [20] - Quote Orlacc wrote: No uncloaking target delay on a Bomber though. I like that. Oh and it is hard for a Astero to blow up a large indy or BS. "Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Susie Homemaker Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.01.28 04:53:39 - [21] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: ZmajOgnjeniVuk wrote: Manticore best core! For a couple of reasons. 1. Most folks can fly them, so it's easy to match up bomb damage (everyone grab a manticore works, everyone grab a purifier - not so much) Why is that? Requirements for Purifier are the exact same for the Manti except its Amarr Frig V instead of Gallente Frig V...
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1782	Posted - 2016.01.28 13:49:52 - [22] - Quote Susie Homemaker wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: ZmajOgnjeniVuk wrote: Manticore best core! For a couple of reasons. 1. Most folks can fly them, so it's easy to match up bomb damage (everyone grab a manticore works, everyone grab a purifier - not so much) Why is that? Requirements for Purifier are the exact same for the Manti except its Amarr Frig V instead of Gallente Frig V... Because most folks join eve and fly caldari from day one. They have caldari frig to 5 first. So, in a gang of mixed SP players - most lower SP players have manticore first. I've been processing new players for years - it's an observation. Atomeon - the arbies and so on. It's a standard fit I have that most pilots can fly. I can hand them out with the reasonable expectation that the person I'm passing it to won't offline it. This is the all arounder fit - which for years in wh space I have found to be good enough for what we do. There are always the max/min ninnies and the EFT warlords that will tell you what you have to do. I'm the reality guy that has developed a good solid manticore fit that doesn't require months of training and crazy implants to fly around in. This is one of the cases where I have found the "best fit" is the one that everyone can get into quickly and have fun. Big picture - it's a freakin' bomber - tons of fun for cheap. It's not always about polarized torps and all the other garbage folks try to sell you. Buy 30, fit them up, hand them out to your guys and go have fun. (reship as necessary)
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1782	Posted - 2016.01.28 13:51:51 - [23] - Quote Orlacc wrote: Orlacc wrote: No uncloaking target delay on a Bomber though. I like that. Oh and it is hard for a Astero to blow up a large indy or BS. I like to see bombers as half a raven (dps) w/ all aces in uncloaking surprise sex.... er pvp.
Susie Homemaker Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.01.28 15:16:27 - [24] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Because most folks join eve and fly caldari from day one. They have caldari frig to 5 first. So, in a gang of mixed SP players - most lower SP players have manticore first. I've been processing new players for years - it's an observation. Interesting observation.


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