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Existing hotkeys are not as convenient as the previous Tab key, especially with many windows open or with some windows that are difficult to reopen quickly.

If the Tab key binding itself had to be unbound for some reason, please keep the previous Tab key function somewhere in game, and give it an alternative key binding or at least allow a user key binding.

Also the Ctrl+Shift+Tab to toggle minimize all windows is worthless as it removes all windows and all chat windows are empty on restore instead of showing actual info.

This looks to me like it's unintended. If you click on another tab and click back the text that was there is redrawn.

I've passed this issue along to the UI team.

This looks to me like it's unintended. If you click on another tab and click back the text that was there is redrawn.

I've passed this issue along to the UI team.

Can we confirm if this Tab function was removed as a required change or overall the behaviour we are missing is an unintended change that can be restored?

Why do you keep dumbing down this game ?

The key was fine for years - and damn useful at that (and de-facto unused for anything else).

Now some dumbass(es) start complaining (? seriously ?) and you got into panic-remove mode ?


Get it back working as it used for years, please (and stop listening to every poor confused soul that cries to support) ?

Or add an option to simply bind this function to some key.

In any case, why remove a very useful function and replace it with an inferior one (that doesn't even work properly but hopefully that will get fixed one day) instead of just changing default mapping to cater to console aficionados and let us simply remap it to what we feel like?

I'll refer you to this tweet from Customer Service.
functionality was removed as it was confusing people who pressed TAB unintentionally.

Honestly, where did that even come up? I can't remember anyone saying in corp chat (NPC starter corporation, so we got MANY questions incoming) that they accidentally killed all their windows.

RIP using the map or ship tree. Since the change I've never used the ship tree and I've gone to Dotlan for most of my map needs. It's a major pain to individually minimize 8-12 windows just to look at something for 30 seconds and get all the windows back. I'd imagine PI would be a pain too if I did that anymore.

That's not true. We're definitely still keeping tabs on this thread and assessing the situation. Just don't expect any knee-jerk reactions from us so soon. For now keep the feedback coming, keep it constructive. Thanks

CCP has just basically allowed us to use customer service to protest about things in the game to have them change.
Customer support tweeted it. I don't think they would be making things up like that.
So let us give them what they apparently can deal with best.
Hard, solid data. Let the well mannered and constructive tickets roll c:

A CCP employee or anyone else with the representative power is free to correct me on why support tickets are the wrong way and not the intended use, IF they can prove me how that change with the tab key that was verified via a customer support tweet has happened if not through support tickets. I just want to know how those silly people managed to change a fundamental aspect of the game's UI so silently. So we are allowed to use the same method.

As I state in one of these two threads, I have the sneaking suspicion this was a change done due to player feedback in new player testing. I could be wrong though and we really need some comment from CCPs UI team to validate..

What new player feedback? Where? Which "new players" qualified for that feedback? Who was qualified to be a new player and not an eve veteran making a new trial?
I'm regularly doing trial accounts to check on the new player experience, especially since the fiasco that is called opportunities. Never was I messaged about any new player feedback form, neither ingame nor in my mailbox.

These questions are not specifically targeting you, Dominous, it's a general statement to everyone reading who might have an answer to that c: I just felt like using it as a rather prickly example to poke some holes into the "what if it was really new player feedback" case.

Oh yes, please! Let it be that focus group that made the opportunity system appear to be working so well as demonstrated by powerful graphs (which withstood no amount of scrutiny) and blocking all naysayers, only to then admit a few months later that they didn't quite work out in the real world as anticipated.
Oh please let it be that focus group. That would be hilarious! :D

Edit: I guess that is unlikely though. Because that focus group feedback is months and months old.

[quote=Natya Mebelle]I mean what the hell are they going to do? Change Tab to show a list of players and their scores?

Would be great if the TAB function could not only be restored, but also ADDED to when you do PI on a planet, cause TAB there never worked, and it's the place that MOST would need it. IMO.

I'm giving up hope the communications I've had on forum and off will lead to restoration once the UI team gets a chance to breathe after the ascension drop.

I have a feeling they've been more then preoccupied.