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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2016.01.26 00:41:05 -
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As is unsurprising, Tuulinen-haan remains an asset to the state, in this case more for his ability to articulate our shared interests than his considerable combat capability.
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James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1164
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Posted - 2016.01.26 02:45:17 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:James, one of these days the Federation will lay aside the stolen jewel of Caldari Prime and find that it affects them very little to almost not at all. Will you all be surprised, do you think, when the Caldari State has no further business against you and a strong urge to move on? I donGÇÖt disagree Pieter, Caldari Prime is of little economic value. In fact, itGÇÖs a burden. Strategically however itGÇÖs indispensable, and I think you know it. Considering the States historical proclivities, we simply cannot have significant State assets within the heart of the Federation.
LetGÇÖs suppose that tomorrow a mutually agreeable solution was found toGǪ as Ms. Kim so explicitly describesGǪ the GÇ£Gallente problemGÇ¥ upon Caldri Prime. Being handed the planet in total how long would it be until we heard GÇÿperfectly reasonable voices within the StateGǪ we need spaceGǪ we need more spaceGǪ we need stationsGǪ we need dedicated transit routes. Then when any one of these or any other GÇÿperfectly reasonableGÇÖ requests were deniedGǪ well then we have a GÇÿperfectly reasonableGÇÖ reason to launch the next sneak-attack, using the very GÇÿperfectly reasonableGÇÖ concessions to your advantage.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:There is, literally, nothing else that you have which the State wants. We have all the resources we could possibly need and plenty of room to expand away from the direction of our shared borders. We have no other ideological, political or religious need to strive against you and, in fact, many of us find individual Gallente perfectly charming fellows. We have a history of being able to cooperate in business and in research and about the only venture I would suggest against would be joint colonisation projects. It is a pity indeed, that we cannot do collectively what we manage individually. But then I have learned to trust some few Caldari. How we can come to trust the State, I do not know. But one day, perhaps, and just perhaps, if you and I live long enough, we can have that.... drink.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:It's not like we lack for other enemies, after all. You have the Amarr, Serpentis and Angel Cartel. We have the Gurista. Both of us could concentrate more on the Sansha issue. The Drifters are a potential problem of vast scale.
Perhaps, but I find the Amarr perfectly agreeable business partners, and I have manyGǪ wellGǪ Let us say, I find opportunity in many places.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2409
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Posted - 2016.01.26 06:21:44 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:As is unsurprising, Tuulinen-haan remains an asset to the state, in this case more for his ability to articulate our shared interests than his considerable combat capability.
Makoto, you are a dishonored liar that should not be called Caldari.
You have shown yourself that you don't have honor like Caldari here ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560 )
Stop pretending being one of us, scum.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:James, one of these days the Federation will lay aside the stolen jewel of Caldari Prime and find that it affects them very little to almost not at all. Will you all be surprised, do you think, when the Caldari State has no further business against you and a strong urge to move on?
There is, literally, nothing else that you have which the State wants. We have all the resources we could possibly need and plenty of room to expand away from the direction of our shared borders. We have no other ideological, political or religious need to strive against you and, in fact, many of us find individual Gallente perfectly charming fellows. We have a history of being able to cooperate in business and in research and about the only venture I would suggest against would be joint colonisation projects.
It's not like we lack for other enemies, after all. You have the Amarr, Serpentis and Angel Cartel. We have the Gurista. Both of us could concentrate more on the Sansha issue. The Drifters are a potential problem of vast scale.
I will strongly disagree with this, Tuulinen-haan.
Tibus Heth has already made a mistake and stopped the advance into Federation territory after he has liberated Caldari Prime. Gallente signed the treaty in YC110 and they did already pass the planet completely to our State.
Yet it didn't stop gallente in YC115 to attempt to occupy it once again with their atrocious operation called Operation Highlander.
It clearly shows that gallente must not be trusted, and just a document from them that they pass the planet to us completely won't be enough. The Federation must be stopped and disarmed to prevent their further backstabbing. We must keep fighting them until we render them unable to invade into any of our worlds.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Gosakumori Noh
Seraglio Hastatus Hagia Sophia
687
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Posted - 2016.01.26 07:10:05 -
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No matter how long I spend in an opiate sex coma under a pile of lycanthropic Sebbies, I can rely on the good doctor to be there with something worth reading upon waking up. Put me down for "Greatest Caldari Hero," darling, because... well, I have no specific example; but as I recall, Diana was keen on The Leader and it is best when Diana is in a good mood.
Before the aforementioned opiate sex coma - I do hope that isn't supposed to be comma - I recall that The Leader's vessel was ambushed by Nation. Did anything ever come of that? What is the trending flavor of peril? Serpentis? Damn. What did Mummy click on, exactly? Serpents? I'm fond of the Serpentis. They make very good sex opiates.
By the Black Goat's Thousand Young, I failed to give Anya her Redeemer back! Bloody hell, where... oh, that's going to be a headache. I remember, now, I clicked on something about getting rid of these useless ******* planetary infrastructure primitives clogging up my synaptic filaments. I'm too old for clogged filaments, but I seem to have come out of it a bit early for that. |
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
343
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Posted - 2016.01.26 13:17:50 -
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Welcome back Gosa darling. Hugs and Kisses! |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5871
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Posted - 2016.01.26 17:26:33 -
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Diana Kim wrote:It clearly shows that gallente must not be trusted, and just a document from them that they pass the planet to us completely won't be enough. The Federation must be stopped and disarmed to prevent their further backstabbing. We must keep fighting them until we render them unable to invade into any of our worlds.
We cannot, in good faith, ask for anything that is not ours and which is not necessary for the security of the State. We don't need our capital to be on the Homeworld. We don't need to control the space around Home. We don't need to own the space between New Caldari Prime and Home. All we need is unfettered access to Home for our people and control over the planet itself.
Anything else is expansionism by conquest - expressly against the wishes of Cold Wind and the Way itself.
I believe it's advisable that we at least be at peace with the Federation. Let the expansionist powers of the Cluster intrigue and fight amongst themselves. Let those of us interested in growth, trade and industry see to our own worlds. I believe that there is a big difference between self-defence or even deterrence and attacking people because of inanities like ideological differences.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Sani-Sabik
1239
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Posted - 2016.01.26 18:17:33 -
[187] - Quote
Gosakumori Noh wrote: I can rely on the good doctor to be there with something worth reading upon waking up.
I have written several great threads in recent days.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
694
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Posted - 2016.01.26 18:51:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
There is, literally, nothing else that you have which the State wants. We have all the resources we could possibly need and plenty of room to expand away from the direction of our shared borders.
How quickly it is forgotten that after centuries of peace between our people it was massive economic depression in the State that precipitated the current war. A depression brought on purely by Megacorporate corruption that the Gallente offered our hand in brotherhood to help the Caldari lift themselves out of.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7966
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:02:44 -
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Vero, usually, a Nyx being rammed into a station is not considered a 'hand in brotherhood,' in all fairness.
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
694
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:30:48 -
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By all the gods, you really know how to prove James right with the victimhood complex.
I was obviously referring to the economic aid package offered by President Fioritain and "heroically" disdained by Heth in favor of starting a war.
Another obvious rebuttal to Pieter's "you have nothing we want" bit would be the subsequent invasion of Placid and Essence by the Provists. They suffered what, two years of occupation before FDU forces finally managed to turn the tide of the Empyrean War? For people who want nothing, the Caldari seem to take an awful lot. Only when you were faced with overwhelming military defeat was there willingness to negotiate. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7967
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:39:37 -
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Selective memory, Vero. That economic summit was in fact praised by Heth, uncharacteristically. Indeed, Gariushi-haan later stated he intended to hold Heth to the peace process. And we all know what followed.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2421
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:42:05 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Diana Kim wrote:It clearly shows that gallente must not be trusted, and just a document from them that they pass the planet to us completely won't be enough. The Federation must be stopped and disarmed to prevent their further backstabbing. We must keep fighting them until we render them unable to invade into any of our worlds. We cannot, in good faith, ask for anything that is not ours and which is not necessary for the security of the State. We don't need our capital to be on the Homeworld. We don't need to control the space around Home. We don't need to own the space between New Caldari Prime and Home. All we need is unfettered access to Home for our people and control over the planet itself. Anything else is expansionism by conquest - expressly against the wishes of Cold Wind and the Way itself. I believe it's advisable that we at least be at peace with the Federation. Let the expansionist powers of the Cluster intrigue and fight amongst themselves. Let those of us interested in growth, trade and industry see to our own worlds. I believe that there is a big difference between self-defence or even deterrence and attacking people because of inanities like ideological differences.
I cannot agree with it. Without expansion Raata empire wouldn't be forged in the first place.
But I agree that we don't need actually Federation space, we need just our homeworld. It's the thing, that we can't have it without gallente threatening it. Would we kick federal swines again from our home by force, or gallente would sign a treaty, they will try it again. They have shown to us already they can't be trusted. The problem has arisen over 200 years ago when the Federation was just founded. Our ancestors were forced to sign that treaty and with this our homeworld became trapped inside Federal territory. We need to "unclench" gallenteans claws from around our planet, would it be by force or diplomacy (in which I obviously don't believe anymore after talks with gallentes, yet leave it as an option).
To unclench these claws and release our homeworld you need to remove something that is holding these claws together. The central point, the alpha and omega. The document, that started all this. The Federation Charter.
And if they don't want to cancel this treaty themselves, we shall destroy it ourselves, as we can, with fire and steel. You see, Mr. Tuulinen, Cold Wind is just one of the Winds and Cold Wind doesn't dictate the Way. This time we all should follow the Wind of the Storm. It is time to show real Caldari spirit to gallentean swines. We can show them what we were forged of. And we can show them what we are capable of. We shall sweep through their defences with the Wind and leave nothing but ruins behind. For it they can't stop trying to occupy our planet, WE WILL FORCE THEM.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5883
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Posted - 2016.01.26 19:46:29 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:By all the gods, you really know how to prove James right with the victimhood complex.
I was obviously referring to the economic aid package offered by President Fioritain and "heroically" disdained by Heth in favor of starting a war.
Another obvious rebuttal to Pieter's "you have nothing we want" bit would be the subsequent invasion of Placid and Essence by the Provists. They suffered what, two years of occupation before FDU forces finally managed to turn the tide of the Empyrean War? For people who want nothing, the Caldari seem to take an awful lot. Only when you were faced with overwhelming military defeat was there willingness to negotiate.
Are you seriously referring to the Empyrean War as if it were some sort of usual war of conquest? We went into Placid and Essence because you went into Black Rise - and it is your own leaders who put Placid and Essence up for grabs in the first place, just as it is our leaders who put Black Rise up for grabs.
Again. Heth is gone. The provists are gone. Negotiations are underway and if I don't take your words as the damning proof you intend them to be, I'll notice you're not in a hurry to quit Black Rise, either. But that's the Federation all over, no?
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate
Starkmanir Unification
1621
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:03:04 -
[194] - Quote
Hey, I have brownies! I'll share them if we can stop arguing.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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TomHorn
Provist Mujahideen Liberation Front
253
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:11:37 -
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Admiral Noir showed the true feelings of the Gallente towards us when he flew his ship deliberately into Ishukone station. With the sole purpose of destroying the economic summit , the chance of our two nations working together , having closer and better relations.
Whether Admiral Noir was working solely alone , or was part of a political plot by the Federation hardliners, nobody knows. The official story was he was working alone.
The real political power in the Federation , is still political hardliners , and lets be charitable and say , they dont like us !
We shouldnt expect them to be doing us favours anytime soon.
If we want to bring an end to the occupation of our homeworld again, we may have to resort to taking it again by force.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate
Starkmanir Unification
1621
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Posted - 2016.01.26 21:17:17 -
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TomHorn wrote:Admiral Noir showed the true feelings of the Gallente towards us when he flew his ship deliberately into Ishukone station. With the sole purpose of destroying the economic summit , the chance of our two nations working together , having closer and better relations.
Whether Admiral Noir was working solely alone , or was part of a political plot by the Federation hardliners, nobody knows. The official story was he was working alone.
The real political power in the Federation , is still political hardliners , and lets be charitable and say , they dont like us !
We shouldnt expect them to be doing us favours anytime soon.
If we want to bring an end to the occupation of our homeworld again, we may have to resort to taking it again by force.
"A couple of people on that side of the fence don't like us! Instead of rolling with the majority who are trying to work this out peaceful like, we should start trying to kill them all!"
This is why this hasn't been resolved yet.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Marceline Ravenstar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.01.26 22:47:03 -
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[(removed after more thorough thinking if this contributes anything to the discussion)) |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2421
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Posted - 2016.01.26 22:50:41 -
[198] - Quote
Claudia Osyn wrote:Hey, I have brownies! I'll share them if we can stop arguing.
In order to stop arguing you have to admit that Tibus Heth was the Greatest Caldari Hero.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5883
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Posted - 2016.01.26 22:51:45 -
[199] - Quote
Marceline Ravenstar wrote:[(removed after more thorough thinking if this contributes anything to the discussion))
((Likewise redacted))
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
887
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Posted - 2016.01.26 23:07:16 -
[200] - Quote
Claudia Osyn wrote:Hey, I have brownies! I'll share them if we can stop arguing.
I'm clearly not arguing, can I have one?
And Heth was the greatest caldari hero..... Coming from someone who could only name a few and really doesn't have a place discussing Caldari history/ heros. Can the arguing stop now? |
James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1174
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Posted - 2016.01.26 23:33:18 -
[201] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Diana Kim wrote:It clearly shows that gallente must not be trusted, and just a document from them that they pass the planet to us completely won't be enough. The Federation must be stopped and disarmed to prevent their further backstabbing. We must keep fighting them until we render them unable to invade into any of our worlds. We cannot, in good faith, ask for anything that is not ours and which is not necessary for the security of the State. We don't need our capital to be on the Homeworld. We don't need to control the space around Home. We don't need to own the space between New Caldari Prime and Home. All we need is unfettered access to Home for our people and control over the planet itself. Anything else is expansionism by conquest - expressly against the wishes of Cold Wind and the Way itself. I believe it's advisable that we at least be at peace with the Federation. Let the expansionist powers of the Cluster intrigue and fight amongst themselves. Let those of us interested in growth, trade and industry see to our own worlds. I believe that there is a big difference between self-defence or even deterrence and attacking people because of inanities like ideological differences.
Well said.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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TomHorn
Provist Mujahideen Liberation Front
253
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Posted - 2016.01.26 23:47:44 -
[202] - Quote
James Syagrius wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Diana Kim wrote:It clearly shows that gallente must not be trusted, and just a document from them that they pass the planet to us completely won't be enough. The Federation must be stopped and disarmed to prevent their further backstabbing. We must keep fighting them until we render them unable to invade into any of our worlds. We cannot, in good faith, ask for anything that is not ours and which is not necessary for the security of the State. We don't need our capital to be on the Homeworld. We don't need to control the space around Home. We don't need to own the space between New Caldari Prime and Home. All we need is unfettered access to Home for our people and control over the planet itself. Anything else is expansionism by conquest - expressly against the wishes of Cold Wind and the Way itself. I believe it's advisable that we at least be at peace with the Federation. Let the expansionist powers of the Cluster intrigue and fight amongst themselves. Let those of us interested in growth, trade and industry see to our own worlds. I believe that there is a big difference between self-defence or even deterrence and attacking people because of inanities like ideological differences. Well said.
You do believe , that the continued occuaption of Caldari Prime is necessary for the Federation James ? I believe that is your stance on the situation James. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2424
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Posted - 2016.01.27 00:01:55 -
[203] - Quote
TomHorn wrote:Admiral Noir showed the true feelings of the Gallente towards us when he flew his ship deliberately into Ishukone station. With the sole purpose of destroying the economic summit , the chance of our two nations working together , having closer and better relations.
It was about peace, not economy as far as I remember.
TomHorn wrote:Whether Admiral Noir was working solely alone , or was part of a political plot by the Federation hardliners, nobody knows. The official story was he was working alone.
He had crew and officers. If that was baseline carrier, they could have simply arrested him to prevent his action. They didn't.
Besides, official story was made up by gallente. In fact we know that A. Noir was Admiral of Federal Navy and was given a supercarrier by the same Federation Navy. Both him and his tools were belonging to this Navy and the story about "working alone" seems not likable.
TomHorn wrote:
If we want to bring an end to the occupation of our homeworld again, we may have to resort to taking it again by force.
We must resort to taking it again by force.
Gallentean swines should not be allowed to stay their dirty feet on the ground that they have been desecrating for so long.
The Federation must be destroyed!
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1174
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Posted - 2016.01.27 01:13:00 -
[204] - Quote
TomHorn wrote:James Syagrius wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Diana Kim wrote:It clearly shows that gallente must not be trusted, and just a document from them that they pass the planet to us completely won't be enough. The Federation must be stopped and disarmed to prevent their further backstabbing. We must keep fighting them until we render them unable to invade into any of our worlds. We cannot, in good faith, ask for anything that is not ours and which is not necessary for the security of the State. We don't need our capital to be on the Homeworld. We don't need to control the space around Home. We don't need to own the space between New Caldari Prime and Home. All we need is unfettered access to Home for our people and control over the planet itself. Anything else is expansionism by conquest - expressly against the wishes of Cold Wind and the Way itself. I believe it's advisable that we at least be at peace with the Federation. Let the expansionist powers of the Cluster intrigue and fight amongst themselves. Let those of us interested in growth, trade and industry see to our own worlds. I believe that there is a big difference between self-defence or even deterrence and attacking people because of inanities like ideological differences. Well said. You do believe , that the continued occuaption of Caldari Prime is necessary for the Federation James ? I believe that is your stance on the situation James. I do indeed, but that doesnGÇÖt mean I canGÇÖt appreciate Pieters sentiments.
If we all would speak with more care, we might foster that illusive trust I alluded to earlier.
Just because I donGÇÖt trust the State to keep any treaty, doesnGÇÖt mean I donGÇÖt trust some people within the State, especially when I suspect they speak wisely and truthfully.
We must always guard against the absolute certainty that we are right, when considering the opinions honorable others.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1175
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Posted - 2016.01.27 01:19:39 -
[205] - Quote
TomHorn wrote:Admiral Noir showed the true feelings of the Gallente towards us when he flew his ship deliberately into Ishukone station. With the sole purpose of destroying the economic summit , the chance of our two nations working together , having closer and better relations.
Whether Admiral Noir was working solely alone , or was part of a political plot by the Federation hardliners, nobody knows. The official story was he was working alone.
The real political power in the Federation , is still political hardliners , and lets be charitable and say , they dont like us !
We shouldnt expect them to be doing us favours anytime soon.
If we want to bring an end to the occupation of our homeworld again, we may have to resort to taking it again by force.
As your so found of questions let me ask you one. So using your logic then the Federation was perfectly justified in punishing the 'whole', after a 'few' imploded a certain domed city....?
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
696
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Posted - 2016.01.27 01:23:25 -
[206] - Quote
And the point of this is what? The article itself describes his statement as a "turnaround," and in the end he rejected the aid package in favor of an invasion. My description of his actions was accurate and relevant without unpacking every nuance of context.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Are you seriously referring to the Empyrean War as if it were some sort of usual war of conquest? We went into Placid and Essence because you went into Black Rise - and it is your own leaders who put Placid and Essence up for grabs in the first place, just as it is our leaders who put Black Rise up for grabs.
Again. Heth is gone. The provists are gone. Negotiations are underway and if I don't take your words as the damning proof you intend them to be, I'll notice you're not in a hurry to quit Black Rise, either. But that's the Federation all over, no?
I'm just reminding everyone of what actually happened all that time ago, since that doesn't seem to be part of the conversation. Everyone these days thinks of the Empyrean War as it is today: the "Pendulum" that never ceases swinging. In the beginning though, it was different. The State Protectorate swept the Warzone in its initial offensive, catching the FDU completely disorganized and unprepared. They then consolidated their position and held entire constellations of Gallente Space, essentially the entire contested area under the CEWPA, for years. The Caldari were dominant at that time, until certain Gallente organizations organized themselves enough to strike back and begin a campaign of liberation.
It also bears pointing out that although the Gallente have twice swept State forces from the Warzone, we have never attempted to hold such vast swaths of Caldari territory as the Caldari did for those early years. Part of that is obviously that the nature of the war had changed and such a thing wasn't as possible, but it is also true that the Federal Militia did not care to try.
The point is this: why should the Gallente ever believe what you're saying about the State not desiring anything but Home? Its actions have spoken otherwise. What you have taken from us by war was offered to you in peace, and our wars have never contained themselves to Caldari Prime. |
James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1175
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Posted - 2016.01.27 01:23:40 -
[207] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:
Gallentean swines should not be allowed to stay their dirty feet on the ground that they have been desecrating for so long.
The Federation must be destroyed!
Ah ha! progress, see she actually used a capital 'G' in referring to us, where as normally she used a lower case 'g'. I think this is a subtle psychological indication that Ms. Kim is coming around to a more pragmatic philosophy of thought.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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TomHorn
Provist Mujahideen Liberation Front
253
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Posted - 2016.01.27 01:52:46 -
[208] - Quote
James Syagrius wrote:TomHorn wrote:Admiral Noir showed the true feelings of the Gallente towards us when he flew his ship deliberately into Ishukone station. With the sole purpose of destroying the economic summit , the chance of our two nations working together , having closer and better relations.
Whether Admiral Noir was working solely alone , or was part of a political plot by the Federation hardliners, nobody knows. The official story was he was working alone.
The real political power in the Federation , is still political hardliners , and lets be charitable and say , they dont like us !
We shouldnt expect them to be doing us favours anytime soon.
If we want to bring an end to the occupation of our homeworld again, we may have to resort to taking it again by force.
As your so found of questions let me ask you one. So using your logic then the Federation was perfectly justified in punishing the 'whole', after a 'few' imploded a certain domed city....?
No James i dont agree, they already started punishing the whole before the Nouvelle Rouvenor incident with the blockade. The blockade led to all out hostilities on the planet, which led to Caldari partisans sabotage of the glass dome. |
James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1186
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Posted - 2016.01.27 03:39:40 -
[209] - Quote
TomHorn wrote:You reap what you sow. Prophetic words.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2425
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Posted - 2016.01.27 07:21:34 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
Gallentean swines should not be allowed to stay their dirty feet on the ground that they have been desecrating for so long.
The Federation must be destroyed!
Ah ha! progress, see she actually used a capital 'G' in referring to us, where as normally she used a lower case 'g'. I think this is a subtle psychological indication that Ms. Kim is coming around to a more pragmatic philosophy of thought.
I probably should have started the sentence with a different word...
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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