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Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2016.01.15 08:38:16 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:God this again? This is the third one of these in as many days.
Op, read the ganking threads. Don't repost this nonsense without having a different take on things or something worth a whole new discussion.
Oh and also, as a business model no one is going to be too amiable to protecting your interests for "what ever I can afford" when in the previous breath you say that you can't afford much and after a year and with mining alts 100s of millions is a lot of money.
The guy wanted help this is C&P so his thinking went " oh lets find a merc of some type", if the right people made a reply instead of the likes of Lament von Gankenheim and his cronies all would be fine
Op remember what these guys are like and very wise to post with an alt, there are many good people out there in space , not all want to play the low life scum bag ass hat ,
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
166
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Posted - 2016.01.15 09:27:52 -
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Caesar Jaynara wrote: i know you guys like to post on your mains here, but screw that. i have only been playing my main for right at a year, and i just cannot defend against the players i want killed. i hope this is ok, i think i am allowed to post the corp name i want to bounty. the reason i want them killed is due to just a few of their members, but those few are some of the most dishonorable people in EvE. if they are not ganking you in hisec, right under CONCORD's nose, then they are scamming you out of what little isk you have not invested in your ship. good job protecting newer players. like i said, i am a newer player, not a vet like these people. i cannot pay 100's of millions of isk on killmail bounties, but if you can catch them and maybe kill one or 2 of them, i will do everything in my power to send you what i can afford. i have reasd enough to know that placing a bounty on them in game is just a waste of isk, as the payout is some measly percentage of the ship they are killed in. i would rather personally pay the pilot responsible for their ingame murdering. i am sure there are others like me that would pay even more for some good old fashioned revenge. i am sorry i cannot post from my main, but i am just a hisec industrialist with no intention of showing my bare ass to the bull. so this is the corp: Systems High Guard they are mostly in nullsec from what i can find on Zkillboard, but at least 3 or 4 of them hang out in hisec icebelts and gank defenseless ships. i still dont understand how some people justify this hisec ganking, but i guess i am not some bored bittervet that RP's the 'bad guy' rather than roll your sleves up and do something meaningful in game. any help will be very appreciated. when i am a stroger player i will try to return the favor to another new player. maybe that player wont have to experience the feeling of defenselessness i have just because they are a new player. sorry there is not more information, i am really kind of afraid to link killboards and names after reading the forum rules. i will answer any ingame mails on this character with more information on the players i want killed. Both Sue {what squad} and Tora {marmite} are effective at taking out Gankers, The Kill boards indicate this clearly (don't listen to CODE flunkies), unfortunately they will be tied up until they resolve their differences.
The person to speak to is Zeus if he if about these days. He will actively pursue your targets across eve.
Careful when you do select your MERCs many have ganking alts, but who better to hunt and gank gankers then former or active gankers. |
Redemption Anetto
Illusions of Normality SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3
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Posted - 2016.01.15 10:21:40 -
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Ozzie Udan wrote:
The guy wanted help this is C&P so his thinking went " oh lets find a merc of some type", if the right people made a reply instead of the likes of Lament von Gankenheim and his cronies all would be fine
Op remember what these guys are like and very wise to post with an alt, there are many good people out there in space , not all want to play the low life scum bag ass hat ,
We already know who his main is. We have known who his main is from the start. Also I am allergic to HS theres too many terrabad crybabies who cant figure out that they should take the time they spend spewing tears and redirect it to watching their back and fitting their ships properly like the rest of us.
To be totally honest I am terrified I might catch whatever terrible disease they have contracted that causes that level of mouth frothing.
anyway.....
one of us, one of us, one of us, one of us. |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
605
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Posted - 2016.01.15 11:33:23 -
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A Pepridge TM. BDB-20B detection bot was on the scene.
Forgive the lateness, were having some encryption issues |
Caesar Jaynara
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2016.01.15 12:39:04 -
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I spent some time talking with one of my killers last night, then i slept on the subject, and i would like to apologize to the C&P folks.
I guess after a year of playing basically solo (i mean i have not spoken to a dozen people in a year of hisec play) i reacted badly to honorable PvP. It mus have been the idea in my head that hisec was safe if you were not a PVPer or in a player corp.
Again i am sorry the C&P folks had to take time out from C&P business to adress this.
Also:
I am supposed to apologize to Lady Ati for maligning her good name and the good name of Systems High Guard. SMA also have my regrets that i accused them of harboring criminals. Actually most of the people that contacted me turned out to just be normal people who like to shoot each other in game.
I would like to apologize to James315 for stealing his ore, Lament was right, i never even considered the benefits of a permit.
Lastly, Shootyou Longtyme thanks for the evemails last night. You took time to calmly explain a few things that the folks here in C&P were trying to get me to understand. I dont agree with everything we discussed, but i now understand so much more about why you do what you do. Oh, and i will shoot you long time the next time i see you, but now i understand that when this happens, you will probably be laughing like a lunatic. And that seems like the more fun way to play.
Again, thanks to all for the help, and for not trolling me too badly. I was instructed to read some of the old minerbumping posts, and after reading some of those tears, i feel i may have gotten off lightly.
This thread can be closed, please |
Mobadder Thworst
Light Adama
720
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Posted - 2016.01.15 12:58:10 -
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I always smile when I encounter a white knight in a video game.
Good job making your imaginary space-world a better place. There is much good to be done. However, to me, this morality of which you speak is just as imaginary as the spaceship you lost.
I, however, specialize in low down scumbag asshattery. It is both fun and a major source of social interaction.
You are welcome. Mo |
Mobadder Thworst
Light Adama
720
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Posted - 2016.01.15 13:06:49 -
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Caesar Jaynara wrote:I spent some time talking with one of my killers last night, then i slept on the subject, and i would like to apologize to the C&P folks. I guess after a year of playing basically solo (i mean i have not spoken to a dozen people in a year of hisec play) i reacted badly to honorable PvP. It mus have been the idea in my head that hisec was safe if you were not a PVPer or in a player corp. Again i am sorry the C&P folks had to take time out from C&P business to adress this. Also: I am supposed to apologize to Lady Ati for maligning her good name and the good name of Systems High Guard. SMA also have my regrets that i accused them of harboring criminals. Actually most of the people that contacted me turned out to just be normal people who like to shoot each other in game. I would like to apologize to James315 for stealing his ore, Lament was right, i never even considered the benefits of a permit. Lastly, Shootyou Longtyme thanks for the evemails last night. You took time to calmly explain a few things that the folks here in C&P were trying to get me to understand. I dont agree with everything we discussed, but i now understand so much more about why you do what you do. Oh, and i will shoot you long time the next time i see you, but now i understand that when this happens, you will probably be laughing like a lunatic. And that seems like the more fun way to play. Again, thanks to all for the help, and for not trolling me too badly. I was instructed to read some of the old minerbumping posts, and after reading some of those tears, i feel i may have gotten off lightly. This thread can be closed, please
It's your choice where to go from here, but now that you know a little about the other side... Why not try it?
I was where you are now a few years ago. Most of us were at some point.
As a self declared diplomat of C&P, I would encourage you to join this community. The people are better than what you think... And you can learn a lot.
Have fun out there, Mo
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shootyou longtyme
Systems High Guard SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2016.01.15 13:27:49 -
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one of us |
Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2016.01.15 13:33:40 -
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shootyou longtyme wrote:one of us one of us does not know sarcasm, keep looking through your rear view mirror ( local ), the op now has the means for payback |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
3628
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Posted - 2016.01.15 14:05:33 -
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Caesar Jaynara wrote: i am sorry i cannot post from my main, but i am just a hisec industrialist with no intention of showing my bare ass to the bull.
That's a special level of paranoia there. Also, post with your main or GTFO.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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hellyeaz
Systems High Guard SpaceMonkey's Alliance
12
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Posted - 2016.01.15 14:10:08 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:shootyou longtyme wrote:one of us one of us does not know sarcasm, keep looking through your rear view mirror ( local ), the op now has the means for payback
Everyone in a gankers local chat has the means, and ability for payback. What did i miss?
Sorry, i forgot post on main and all
Edit. Should i even be responding to Nitshe? I have not been vaccinated yet. |
Leeroy Banner
Systems High Guard SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2016.01.15 14:38:59 -
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extra salty....how i like it |
Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2016.01.15 16:08:18 -
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hellyeaz wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:shootyou longtyme wrote:one of us one of us does not know sarcasm, keep looking through your rear view mirror ( local ), the op now has the means for payback Everyone in a gankers local chat has the means, and ability for payback. What did i miss? Sorry, i forgot post on main and all Edit. Should i even be responding to Nitshe? I have not been vaccinated yet. Anarchist gankers trying to instruct others on their laws.......maybe your grandparents were brother and sister and I should take pitty on the flaws in your DNA.
No one cares about YOUR laws or whiney complaints.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQhX8PbNUWI |
Froggy Storm
Paragon Trust The Bastion
374
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Posted - 2016.01.15 16:18:32 -
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Ozzie Udan wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:God this again? This is the third one of these in as many days.
Op, read the ganking threads. Don't repost this nonsense without having a different take on things or something worth a whole new discussion.
Oh and also, as a business model no one is going to be too amiable to protecting your interests for "what ever I can afford" when in the previous breath you say that you can't afford much and after a year and with mining alts 100s of millions is a lot of money. The guy wanted help this is C&P so his thinking went " oh lets find a merc of some type", if the right people made a reply instead of the likes of Lament von Gankenheim and his cronies all would be fine Op remember what these guys are like and very wise to post with an alt, there are many good people out there in space , not all want to play the low life scum bag ass hat ,
5 min of reading before posting a rant would have saved the OP from recreation of the wheel. And honestly, the recent "Open Letter" and "Discussing Ganking" threads have been both amusing and fairly productive once the emotional hurfing died off. I for one would truly welcome civil debate over the causes and the solutions for HiSec space.
Both sides see a problem, not the same problems for sure, but issues that are rooted in the same cause. If smart, literate, and more importantly wise people could have a dispassionate discussion it would be a nice change.
But these daily repetitions of the thread of tears has gotten very old when they follow the same damn script day in and out.
1. Write a tear filled whine of CCP to fix my problem about being space abused. Sometimes couched in the figure of discussion sometimes not. 2. Obligatory button pushed by the ganking party. Also typically post on main or gtfo 3. Shouting and name calling to varried degrees 4. Reference to actual CCP rules and responses to HiSec Interactions 5. Typically the OP melts away under the realization that the rules and mechanics are against them.
So when the thread keeps cropping up a tiny part of me wishes sooner or later someone would rise up to educate and direct hisec so that the C&P forum can go back to bragging and lieing instead of being an educational resource for the new and the lazy.
I mean sheesh read two posts in this forum and you would know that C&P is NOT the place to start an open thread as a "victim" of space violence. As stated earlier, it is blood in the water. |
Caesar Jaynara
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2016.01.15 16:37:24 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Ozzie Udan wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:God this again? This is the third one of these in as many days.
Op, read the ganking threads. Don't repost this nonsense without having a different take on things or something worth a whole new discussion.
Oh and also, as a business model no one is going to be too amiable to protecting your interests for "what ever I can afford" when in the previous breath you say that you can't afford much and after a year and with mining alts 100s of millions is a lot of money. The guy wanted help this is C&P so his thinking went " oh lets find a merc of some type", if the right people made a reply instead of the likes of Lament von Gankenheim and his cronies all would be fine Op remember what these guys are like and very wise to post with an alt, there are many good people out there in space , not all want to play the low life scum bag ass hat , 5 min of reading before posting a rant would have saved the OP from recreation of the wheel. And honestly, the recent "Open Letter" and "Discussing Ganking" threads have been both amusing and fairly productive once the emotional hurfing died off. I for one would truly welcome civil debate over the causes and the solutions for HiSec space. Both sides see a problem, not the same problems for sure, but issues that are rooted in the same cause. If smart, literate, and more importantly wise people could have a dispassionate discussion it would be a nice change. But these daily repetitions of the thread of tears has gotten very old when they follow the same damn script day in and out. 1. Write a tear filled whine of CCP to fix my problem about being space abused. Sometimes couched in the figure of discussion sometimes not. 2. Obligatory button pushed by the ganking party. Also typically post on main or gtfo 3. Shouting and name calling to varried degrees 4. Reference to actual CCP rules and responses to HiSec Interactions 5. Typically the OP melts away under the realization that the rules and mechanics are against them. So when the thread keeps cropping up a tiny part of me wishes sooner or later someone would rise up to educate and direct hisec so that the C&P forum can go back to bragging and lieing instead of being an educational resource for the new and the lazy. I mean sheesh read two posts in this forum and you would know that C&P is NOT the place to start an open thread as a "victim" of space violence. As stated earlier, it is blood in the water.
Like Ozzie said, I came here searching for help to kill some players that I thought were much stronger than myself. I have been told that C&P is a good place to hire mercs. I did find help, not the help i wanted, but maybe the help i needed.
Thanks again to everyone. I did learn more last night from this forum and the ingame mails, more than an entire year of hisec solo mining. I really did not realize that EvE had such an active RP and PVP community in hisec. I thought I played a different game than you vets in null space. I did not even have Local chat open by default, just the browser and isk making 'guides'.
Froggy was right about it being easy to find much info on the matter, here and on player blogs. There was a lot of it pointed out to me last night. Froggy however seems to be a bit mad, almost teary about the fact that I posted here. Did i do that?
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Froggy Storm
Paragon Trust The Bastion
374
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Posted - 2016.01.15 16:58:50 -
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Perhaps I too can take some account of my own frustration. I admit and accept ny open salty tears for the individuals who insist on throwing chum in the water.
And maybe I should actually be the change I wish to see. With my own TMC platforn and contacts maybe I should try to unvite and host a real forum discussion on the cause and solutions of hisec ganking. |
Wuzu
NoN Sangha
16
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Posted - 2016.01.15 17:05:48 -
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Caesar Jaynara wrote: i know you guys like to post on your mains here, but screw that. i have only been playing my main for right at a year, and i just cannot defend against the players i want killed. i hope this is ok, i think i am allowed to post the corp name i want to bounty. the reason i want them killed is due to just a few of their members, but those few are some of the most dishonorable people in EvE. if they are not ganking you in hisec, right under CONCORD's nose, then they are scamming you out of what little isk you have not invested in your ship. good job protecting newer players. like i said, i am a newer player, not a vet like these people. i cannot pay 100's of millions of isk on killmail bounties, but if you can catch them and maybe kill one or 2 of them, i will do everything in my power to send you what i can afford. i have reasd enough to know that placing a bounty on them in game is just a waste of isk, as the payout is some measly percentage of the ship they are killed in. i would rather personally pay the pilot responsible for their ingame murdering. i am sure there are others like me that would pay even more for some good old fashioned revenge. i am sorry i cannot post from my main, but i am just a hisec industrialist with no intention of showing my bare ass to the bull. so this is the corp: Systems High Guard they are mostly in nullsec from what i can find on Zkillboard, but at least 3 or 4 of them hang out in hisec icebelts and gank defenseless ships. i still dont understand how some people justify this hisec ganking, but i guess i am not some bored bittervet that RP's the 'bad guy' rather than roll your sleves up and do something meaningful in game. any help will be very appreciated. when i am a stroger player i will try to return the favor to another new player. maybe that player wont have to experience the feeling of defenselessness i have just because they are a new player. sorry there is not more information, i am really kind of afraid to link killboards and names after reading the forum rules. i will answer any ingame mails on this character with more information on the players i want killed.
Meaningful in the game? That statement seems oxymoronic to me. I say that because what is meaningful? The ice you mine? The isk you make from selling it? I would know nothing about it; it would not add to my context, it does not add content and lacks in meaning when looked at holistically. Understanding it does to you personally, of course, but your charge was for the game writ large.
On the other hand, the attack you came under, your rage, your attachment to the ships you lost these things have prompted you to respond, to seek help, to air your grievance, to suffer under the lash of the oppressor. I would postulate in so doing you clearly stated where GÇ£meaningfulGÇ¥ resided to you, and it is not in the ice fields. While I do not agree with the motives or methods of your attackers I do believe that to say they were not doing anything meaningful can only be taken as a manifestation of your anger when compared to the activities where you believe meaning lays.
I believe also, that soliciting the help of others to GÇ£murderGÇ¥ is a slippery slope for you here. One does not throw fuel on a fire in an effort to have the fire abate. I would postulate that your action will have the unintended consequence of both delighting and strengthening the resolve of those that seek to oppress you. Certainly this is not the state of affairs that you wish to engineer although at this point the die appears to have already been cast, so for the readers of this, consider it not applicable but cautionary.
A more pragmatic response would, of course, involve direct action. You may not be able to successfully mount a pvp campaign against your oppressor; however, your options for retaliation only begin there. You could:
-Target starve them GÇô they shoot at you to relive their suffering, deny them that relief by simply not being there. - You could exercise passive resistance GÇô my preferred methodology. - You could tank your ships in such a way as to make their actions futile or overly costly. A common misconception is that people that gank do not value their ships, this is inaccurate. Their fear of loss is as great as yours if not greater, they are simply keeping score in a different manner.
Release yourself from your attachment and you will find that you can fight, not by the rules of the oppressor but by your own, and your fight will be glorious indeed.
NamasteGÇÖ Wuzu of the NoN Sangha http://nondojo.blogspot.com
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Redemption Anetto
Illusions of Normality SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5
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Posted - 2016.01.15 17:13:56 -
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Caesar Jaynara
Join us, together we can rule New Eden, together we can educate the masses, together we can not be stopped.
one of us! |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1609
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Posted - 2016.01.15 17:21:42 -
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*puts on the hamster suit*
Posers.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10285
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Posted - 2016.01.15 18:27:18 -
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Caesar Jaynara wrote:
You had that same condesending attitude when we spoke about the mining permit. You will not get any isk or respect from me. I have seen your killboard, no honor there.
I actually think your CEO is a normal person, we spoke in game for a moment. You, on the other hand, i dont think i can ever respect. PvP is one thing, i dont do it, but i can respect it. But hisec podding really shows your true colors.
On a better note, i have had some positive imput ingame from some normal players. I will be persuing this further, now that i have contacts that are not afraid to shoot at you and your corp.
Surely a wardec or three will help you understand my position on the matter
Perhaps a dictionary or ten will help you understand the game's position on the matter, anonymous NPC posting alt.
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
79
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Posted - 2016.01.15 18:31:33 -
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OP, I 100% understand and can help. To start, please fill out this form and return it to me ASAP. |
Vanilla Mooses
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2016.01.15 19:23:09 -
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get rekt miner |
Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2016.01.15 19:31:21 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Caesar Jaynara wrote:
You had that same condesending attitude when we spoke about the mining permit. You will not get any isk or respect from me. I have seen your killboard, no honor there.
I actually think your CEO is a normal person, we spoke in game for a moment. You, on the other hand, i dont think i can ever respect. PvP is one thing, i dont do it, but i can respect it. But hisec podding really shows your true colors.
On a better note, i have had some positive imput ingame from some normal players. I will be persuing this further, now that i have contacts that are not afraid to shoot at you and your corp.
Surely a wardec or three will help you understand my position on the matter
Perhaps a dictionary or ten will help you understand the game's position on the matter, anonymous NPC posting alt. After that mr whippy post the other day the bar has been slipping.
Dictionary?? For definitions of words??? Maybe guide, wiki, or forums.
Get on your game Mr FK. |
Sala Kyss
The Angel Cartel
108
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Posted - 2016.01.15 19:32:33 -
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'Do something meaningful in game' 'Pay ccp every month to sit grinding asteroids into pitiful amounts of isk'
Choose one.
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
170
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Posted - 2016.01.15 22:35:52 -
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Sala Kyss wrote:'Do something meaningful in game' 'Pay ccp every month to sit grinding asteroids into pitiful amounts of isk'
Choose one.
#Do something meaningful in game
#Pay ccp every month and pretend tobe a pirate saying a-harrr a lot
choose one |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
217
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Posted - 2016.01.16 00:11:13 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Sala Kyss wrote:'Do something meaningful in game' 'Pay ccp every month to sit grinding asteroids into pitiful amounts of isk'
Choose one.
#Do something meaningful in game #Pay ccp every month and pretend tobe a pirate saying a-harrr a lot choose one
1. Do something meaningful in game
2. Pay ccp every month and go on forums complaining about pirates and ganking
choose one |
Mara A'more
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.01.16 00:57:41 -
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We don't Gank! we just give away FreeVoid S ammo |
Mobadder Thworst
Light Adama
727
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Posted - 2016.01.16 01:58:18 -
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When I play and shoot stuff I ALWAYS get my $15 worth of laughs.
I have yet to encounter this "meaningful" of which you speak. |
Caesar Jaynara
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2016.01.16 03:24:42 -
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Since this post is still open i will leave an update, then i am off to play my new combat character. Thanks for all the advice guys. I now have a character that can point and web any criminals in hisec.
I will see you good Samaritans on the field. there will be time for formal introductions with my combat pilot later. Goodbye all
How do you get these posts locked in C&P? |
Mobadder Thworst
Strike Force GWU
728
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Posted - 2016.01.16 04:17:31 -
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One of Nitsche's CCP alts can do it. You just ask, they are always listening. |
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