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Doxs Roxs
White Wolves Defence league
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.01.25 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Doxs Roxs on 25/01/2007 14:46:02
With all the nano/i-stab whine, why not introduce webifier bubbles launchable by interdictors. The difference should be that it webs you instead of scrambling you.
You can warp through them, but you will have poor agility and speed while operating in their radius.
If a rule is made so that dictors cannot launch overlapping web and scramble bubbles I think it would make a great addition to the game without being overpowered.
I would also like similar deployable bubbles to be introduced.
Both have their uses, but you cannot use both scrambling and webifying bubbles at the same time.
Regards
/Doxs
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Roue
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:31:00 -
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I love this idea.
Go further. Add more bubbles.
Sensor Dampening Bubbles.
Or ECM Bubbles for that matter.
Energy Neutralizer bubbles
Tracking Disruption bubbles
And form of electronic warfare should be bubble able. But as you said make it where you can't deploy a 2nd bubble in the radius of another. So you'd have to be lucky/organized with overlaps or choose the appropriate one.
This would make an interdictor a very versatile fleet companion. Find a capital ship, use a neutralizer bubble to help drag down it's cap while the fleet easily tackles it.
gang of frigates coming your way, webifier bubble should keep them far out.
Blob of battleships about to jump in on you, an ECM bubble should cover your escape.
As long as their range is still in the 20km radius or so it hsouldn't be unbalanced.
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B1GDAVE
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:39:00 -
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Really dont like this idea.
Imagine...
NOW:
Jump into a system striahgt into a bubble in my ceptor, fine i can mwd out and escape.
IF THIS IDEA IS IMPLEMENTED:
I jump straight into a web bubble, my mwd is now useless. Around the web bubble are also warp bubbles infront of all the warpable objects that will pull me out of warp. I have no chance.
A no chance situation = Not good 
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Escaped Convict
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:42:00 -
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You could turn the introdicter into a massive smartbomb launcher :D
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Escaped Convict
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:45:00 -
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 Originally by: B1GDAVE
Really dont like this idea.
Imagine...
NOW:
Jump into a system striahgt into a bubble in my ceptor, fine i can mwd out and escape.
IF THIS IDEA IS IMPLEMENTED:
I jump straight into a web bubble, my mwd is now useless. Around the web bubble are also warp bubbles infront of all the warpable objects that will pull me out of warp. I have no chance.
A no chance situation = Not good
this is a good idea, what you are talking about ºwould reqiure atleast 10 warping bubles "space is 360" and 1 webing buble
most gate camps bearly have one buble so i dont see them using more just to catch intys
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MrLobster
Cosmic Odyssey
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:47:00 -
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I always liked the phrase "gone down fighting", which would be a problem with any EW probe dictors.
Webbing and scramming are good ones, but I dont like the idea of jumping into a system and not able to shoot anything because I am in a ECM/DAMPED bubble.
Also be aware that it also affects everyone inside the bubble not just the hostiles, so combat with in the EW bubble would be a problem. So any Ship outside the bubble would have a huge advantage.
Sniper ships would get a dictor to use Dampener Bubble, where as the most used would be ECM.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:55:00 -
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Heh, the major problem with this- I'm under attack. Interdictor launches Web Bubble. I can suddenly insta warp 
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Doxs Roxs
White Wolves Defence league
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Heh, the major problem with this- I'm under attack. Interdictor launches Web Bubble. I can suddenly insta warp
Exactly, it has drawbacks and hence would have to be used in the right situation. Besides, the insta warp only occurs if you are at the correct speed.
Regards
/Doxs
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31i73
BGG
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: B1GDAVE
I jump straight into a web bubble, my mwd is now useless. Around the web bubble are also warp bubbles infront of all the warpable objects that will pull me out of warp. I have no chance.
you wouldn't land on a web bubble in the first place, as it isn't dragging you from warp, and you can warp away thru dictor and mobile warp disruptor bubbles, as long as you aren't IN them.
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Doxs Roxs
White Wolves Defence league
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: B1GDAVE
Really dont like this idea.
Imagine...
NOW:
Jump into a system striahgt into a bubble in my ceptor, fine i can mwd out and escape.
IF THIS IDEA IS IMPLEMENTED:
I jump straight into a web bubble, my mwd is now useless. Around the web bubble are also warp bubbles infront of all the warpable objects that will pull me out of warp. I have no chance.
A no chance situation = Not good
If someone wants to use that much energy to set up a camp I really dont see the problem. Dont foget that a pretty good deal of deployable bubbles would have to be used. And they cannot overlap the webifier bubble.
Regards
/Doxs
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Dave White
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Dave White on 25/01/2007 16:07:37
This would completely unbalance the game imho. Say, Alliance A is trying to invade Alliance B's space, Alliance A simply puts up so many EW bubbles and what not, that it's more or less impossible for Alliance B to come in and engage their fleet that's camping the gate. They could jump in and kill the bubbles, but that'd take some time, which gives B a way too big advantage.
Edit: This is a reply to the Roue's other E-W bubble idea. I disagree with the webby bubble as well tho.
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Stakhanov
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Heh, the major problem with this- I'm under attack. Interdictor launches Web Bubble. I can suddenly insta warp
Only if you're facing the right direction.
Really interesting suggestion. Web bubble placement would be very subtle , and require a warp bubble to work at all - can't be used to catch people jumping in or out alone.
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Doxs Roxs
White Wolves Defence league
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Roue
I love this idea.
Go further. Add more bubbles.
Sensor Dampening Bubbles.
Or ECM Bubbles for that matter.
Energy Neutralizer bubbles
Tracking Disruption bubbles
Thats actually a quite interesting idea, one would have to be wery careful not to overpower the effects though. Perhaps give them the effect of a basic T1 module on everyone inside the bubble?
The introduction of such bubbles would probably go a long way towards helping to disperse the blobs of todays fleet fights. And I actually think it would add alot of tactics and new ways to fight a fleet fight compared to today.
Regards
/Doxs
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Doxs Roxs
White Wolves Defence league
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dave White
Edited by: Dave White on 25/01/2007 16:07:37
This would completely unbalance the game imho. Say, Alliance A is trying to invade Alliance B's space, Alliance A simply puts up so many EW bubbles and what not, that it's more or less impossible for Alliance B to come in and engage their fleet that's camping the gate. They could jump in and kill the bubbles, but that'd take some time, which gives B a way too big advantage.
Edit: This is a reply to the Roue's other E-W bubble idea. I disagree with the webby bubble as well tho.
How is this ever going to happen, bubbles launched from a dictor only last a short amount of time, and two bubbles with different effects can never overlap. (overlapping should cancel both effects in the area where they overlap)
The same would happen with deployables, they cant overlap so I really dont see the reason for spamming space with different bubbles, it would be interesting to look at, but what use would it be? Only one bubble can exist on/near the gate.
Regards
/Doxs
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:22:00 -
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Not bubbles as such but more size webber drones would float my boat.
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Doxs Roxs
White Wolves Defence league
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov
Originally by: Patch86
Heh, the major problem with this- I'm under attack. Interdictor launches Web Bubble. I can suddenly insta warp
Only if you're facing the right direction.
Really interesting suggestion. Web bubble placement would be very subtle , and require a warp bubble to work at all - can't be used to catch people jumping in or out alone.
The whole point of this idea is that you should not be able to eat the cookie and keep it at the same time. If you deploy a web bubble you would have to manually scramble your target.
And to clarify, no bubble should be able to overlap a bubble with a different effect and they should not stack. Thus spamming 12 identical bubbles on top of eachother should give the same effect as a single bubble.
Regards
/Doxs
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Xcom
Gallente
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:35:00 -
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Devs talked about looking into smartbombs. Maybe they are implementing a smartbomb webbefing thingy. Not exactly web-bubbles but something close.
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JabJabVVV
Total Mayhem.
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: JabJabVVV on 25/01/2007 16:40:40
I like this idea, it's certainly got potential if implemented well. I would also like to see normal bubbles have a set strength (rather than the infinite strength they have now as since the WCS nerf I think the infinite strength is no longer necessary).
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I jump straight into a web bubble, my mwd is now useless. Around the web bubble are also warp bubbles infront of all the warpable objects that will pull me out of warp. I have no chance.
This wouldn't actually be a problem as iirc bubbles do not actually stop you warping if you enter one after you have hit warp - they only prevent you warping if you try to initiate warp within one or pull you out of warp if your end point is within (I think) 140km of the bubble. So if you jump through a gate into a web bubble then you could still warp out as long as you weren't tackled even if you run into a warp bubble after hitting warp.
Edit: bubbly/area effect weapons could be a good way to fix dedicated ECM ships (griffin/blackbird/scorp/rook/falcon). Have a very low strength but large area ECM smart bomb (like the ECM burst module but more useful and perhaps have a timed effect rather than just a lock break) perhaps even have a sort of ECM torp launcher that on impact sets off an ECM burst. These would be effective anti blob weapons (and thus would make scorps etc useful in gangs again) but would prevent the 'ZOMGZORS my rifter got perma jammed by a Rook and pwnt in the eye.. NERF ECM!!!111eleven' (which is why the dedicated ECM ships are in such a pitiful state today).
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Wendat Huron on 25/01/2007 16:36:44
Originally by: Xcom
Devs talked about looking into smartbombs. Maybe they are implementing a smartbomb webbefing thingy. Not exactly web-bubbles but something close.
Improved Neutralizers would solve this, let them drain more cap to be a viable option to the Nosferatu and make it impossible for ships to go off into warp without a minimum cap reserve.
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Araxmas
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:48:00 -
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Hm this is actually a pretty good idea, but will have to be implemented so that it cant be used with the Warp scram bubble.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: B1GDAVE
IF THIS IDEA IS IMPLEMENTED:
I jump straight into a web bubble, my mwd is now useless. Around the web bubble are also warp bubbles infront of all the warpable objects that will pull me out of warp. I have no chance.
A no chance situation = Not good
...and why in the first place would you try to escape the webifier bubble in an interceptor??? It doesn't scram you, just warp out. 
A Web or as I like to think of it Molasses Bubble would not effect small ships that normally warp away too fast to lock. However, it ALSO wouldn't affect i-stabbed geddons that warp as fast as a ceptor  It would effect anyone in a Cruiser or Larger. If you have stabs for travel though, they have to get enough scram on you.
Oh, and WTZ should work with a web bubble think of it as a trade off. Also, normal bubbles should cancel out the webifier bubbles effect, much like dropping a dictor bubble with mobile bubbles disables the effect.
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Slab Drinklots
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Posted - 2007.01.25 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Slab Drinklots on 25/01/2007 20:33:56
Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
... However, it ALSO wouldn't affect i-stabbed geddons that warp as fast as a ceptor
I actually think it might help catch them, this is becouse they are already webbed when decloaking if they jump into a webbing bubble. This should mean that they dont have the agility to align and warp before a fast ceptor can get a lock. It should also mean that they cannot get that initial speed boost that carries them back to the gate even when triple webbed.
Thats atleast the plan and thought behind it 
Regards
/Doxs
Edit
Alt post, did I mention that this forum is just about as crap as they come?
I had my main selected when I previewed the post, but when I pressed post it was my alt posting...
Almost ALL free forums I have seen out there seems to work better...
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 21:40:00 -
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Bubbles? And more bubbles?
This is not Lawrence Welk Online.
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EPSILON DELTA
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Posted - 2007.01.25 22:23:00 -
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The problem with web bubble is it only effect a certain type of ships while greatly boosting other types
Most battleships (except nanophoons) flys at sub 100ms anyway, it might just as well be stationary.
If this is implemented mater will effectively be nerfed to death and the entire game will be transformed into a tank-calculator competition.
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Doxs Roxs
White Wolves Defence league
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.01.25 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: EPSILON DELTA
The problem with web bubble is it only effect a certain type of ships while greatly boosting other types
Most battleships (except nanophoons) flys at sub 100ms anyway, it might just as well be stationary.
If this is implemented mater will effectively be nerfed to death and the entire game will be transformed into a tank-calculator competition.
Could you please explain to me how you got to that conclusion, becouse I honestly dont think you read the part in my post where I say that different bubbles could not overlap. Thus, if you are a speed tanker cought in a web bubble, just warp off. The point is that different bubbles can be used in different situations, but you cannot use more then one type.
Regards
/Doxs
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Dao 2
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.01.25 23:12:00 -
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the webber bubble MAY have some merit, but still has some pretty big setbacks
the rest are def a no go ;|
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Alekto Erinys
Platinum Investments
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Posted - 2007.01.25 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Alekto Erinys on 25/01/2007 23:17:56
Make is so that bubbles absolutely cannot overlap, but some probes have dual effects (ie web/scram, or scram/neut)
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2007.01.26 00:26:00 -
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The web bubble is the only one out of the ewar list that sounds like it would work without ruining a lot of stuff. Make Web bubbles launchable in 0.1 - 0.4 too =P
I'm surprised no one suggested the ultimate bubble...the NOS Bubble...let's get some NOS bubbles in eve!
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GrumpyCat
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Posted - 2007.01.26 00:51:00 -
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I want a bubble that prevents people from logging out and emergency warping.
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Forum Troll
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Posted - 2007.01.26 01:11:00 -
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Find some sort of fix to remove gate camping from the game and you can have all the bubbles you want.
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