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Colonel Steele	Posted - 2007.01.25 18:48:00 - [1] How are these ships fitted? I get the I-Stab/Nano spped thing, but surely they cannot take a hit without Armor reppers or Shield extenders.
Raven DeBlade Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.01.25 18:55:00 - [2] Speed is the defence. "To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
hangnoose Caldari DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 19:07:00 - [3] Don't fly nano BS myself but this is a basic setup that ive seen. nanophoon 4x cruise/torpedo 3x heavy nos ( think you need RCU for 4 ) Gistii X-type MWD 24km Scram Xlarge Shield booster ( or large II ) Electrochemical large cap injector with 800 3x Local Hull Istabs 4x Local Hull nanos or 4x domination nano Gun BS can't track you and you out run missiles so even with your signature radius you will be hit for like 5 damage.
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2007.01.25 19:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Colonel Steele ...but surely they cannot take a hit . The thing about speed-tanking is you don't take a hit - you're moving too fast for that. this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.01.25 19:36:00 - [5] Works fine till some bastard comes along with a web. sgb
Colonel Steele	Posted - 2007.01.25 19:54:00 - [6] Edited by: Colonel Steele on 25/01/2007 19:50:59 Originally by: hangnoose Edited by: hangnoose on 25/01/2007 19:07:33 Don't fly nano BS myself but this is a basic setup that ive seen. nanophoon 4x cruise/torpedo 3x heavy nos ( think you need RCU for 4 ) Gistii X-type MWD 24km Scram Xlarge Shield booster ( or large II ) Electrochemical large cap injector with 800 3x Local Hull Istabs 4x Local Hull nanos or 4x domination nano EDIT In your rig slots put 2 propellant injection vent and 1 dynamic fuel valve, or put 3 propellant Gun BS can't track you and you out run missiles so even with your signature radius you will be hit for like 5 damage. Does the PG support all that? Quick fit comes in around 300PG shy
Scordite	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:25:00 - [7] 4x siege launchers (II, torps to taste) 4x heavy nos (diminishing) 1x mwd (gist x) 1x scram (shadow serpentis or better) 1x large injector (electrochemical +800 charges) 1x personal preferance (tracking disruptor or painter is common) 1x rcu II 1x bcu (II) 5x nano/istab (on quickfit it looks like 4 nano, 1 istab is best combo, domination and local hull respectively) 3x propellant injection vent (2x II, 1x I) Drones to taste Speed hardwires (snakes if possible) Fits, and works. ----------------------------------------------- The only legitimate use of the BLINK tag: Schr÷dinger's cat is [BLINK] not [/BLINK] dead.
hangnoose Caldari DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Colonel Steele Edited by: Colonel Steele on 25/01/2007 19:50:59 Originally by: hangnoose Edited by: hangnoose on 25/01/2007 19:07:33 Don't fly nano BS myself but this is a basic setup that ive seen. nanophoon 4x cruise/torpedo 3x heavy nos ( think you need RCU for 4 ) Gistii X-type MWD 24km Scram Xlarge Shield booster ( or large II ) Electrochemical large cap injector with 800 3x Local Hull Istabs 4x Local Hull nanos or 4x domination nano EDIT In your rig slots put 2 propellant injection vent and 1 dynamic fuel valve, or put 3 propellant Gun BS can't track you and you out run missiles so even with your signature radius you will be hit for like 5 damage. Does the PG support all that? Quick fit comes in around 300PG shy Like I said I don't fly them my self so you might need an RCU or something. IF you used a large shield booster II it might fit.
Karasu Kaizoku Caldari Project Mortormis	Posted - 2007.01.25 21:17:00 - [9] I would assume you orbit from 20 KM, but how fast does one go?* - [orange]Your signature is too large. Please see the http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/forumrules.asp[y
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.25 21:48:00 - [10] nano ships are like a big april fools joke. people say fitting them out for speed works. but how can it. they only have a shield booster for defence it just cannot work. have you ever seen one? i think not. its a big wind up. lies put forward by people who want ships nerfed for no good reason. DONT BELIEVE THE LIES !!!! *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
Rudy Metallo Minmatar G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.01.25 22:12:00 - [11] Originally by: slothe nano ships are like a big april fools joke. people say fitting them out for speed works. but how can it. they only have a shield booster for defence it just cannot work. have you ever seen one? i think not. its a big wind up. lies put forward by people who want ships nerfed for no good reason. DONT BELIEVE THE LIES !!!! a) It's called speed tanking. b) I've met the guy who made the nanophoon famous, and yes, it does go 8.5km/s, he has a Gistii type 100mn MWD, Local Hull Istabs, domination nanos, and snake implants.
Idara Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.25 22:24:00 - [12] I run... 4x Siege 4x Heavy Nos (might drop a nos for a Recon Probe Launcher) 1x Gist B-Type 100mn MWD 1x 20km scram (might get a T2) 1x Heavy Cap Booster II 1x Sensor Booster/Tracking Disruptor/Sensor Dampener/Target Painter...depends on who you're with 3x Local Hull Istabs 3x Local Hull Nanofibres 1x RCU II (can drop this if I drop the heavy nos) 3x Propellant Injection Rigs and a 3% MWD speed implant nets you 1183% increase on the MWD and about 5.5km/s. Reason I run 3x Istab/Nano is because of the extra agility conferred by the extra istabs, yeah you can go faster with more nanofibers, but I feel that the ship responds much quicker and better with the full istabs, and agility is useful if you want to change directions quickly to avoid that guy with the web that might be coming at you. ---
Tomsudy Minmatar BloodThirsters Corp	Posted - 2007.01.25 23:09:00 - [13] The setups above are great but theres not much you can do when you crash and end up warping in on 10 ships :( ________________________________________ THTA
Idara Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.25 23:55:00 - [14] Um...are there many setups that'll work when you crash and end up warping into 10+ enemies? ---
Foulis Minmatar Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.26 02:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Colonel Steele Edited by: Colonel Steele on 25/01/2007 19:50:59 Originally by: hangnoose Edited by: hangnoose on 25/01/2007 19:07:33 Don't fly nano BS myself but this is a basic setup that ive seen. nanophoon 4x cruise/torpedo 3x heavy nos ( think you need RCU for 4 ) Gistii X-type MWD 24km Scram Xlarge Shield booster ( or large II ) Electrochemical large cap injector with 800 3x Local Hull Istabs 4x Local Hull nanos or 4x domination nano EDIT In your rig slots put 2 propellant injection vent and 1 dynamic fuel valve, or put 3 propellant Gun BS can't track you and you out run missiles so even with your signature radius you will be hit for like 5 damage. Does the PG support all that? Quick fit comes in around 300PG shy Same here, I have AWU 5 aswell. ---- Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari NO WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE SPELLED WITH THE NUMBER "8" IN THEM GODDAMNIT!
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.01.26 02:59:00 - [16] Lets hope they fix this bug soon.... BSs faster then interceptors......
Serihon	Posted - 2007.01.26 03:44:00 - [17] Originally by: slothe nano ships are like a big april fools joke. people say fitting them out for speed works. but how can it. they only have a shield booster for defence it just cannot work. have you ever seen one? i think not. its a big wind up. lies put forward by people who want ships nerfed for no good reason. DONT BELIEVE THE LIES !!!! That is not true. I HAVE seen a ship with this setup and it kicks butt. Especially if your trying to run from it as it just bumps you away from where your aligning too.
Gragnor Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.26 04:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt Lets hope they fix this bug soon.... BSs faster then interceptors...... Just like they fixed Minnie artillery eh?
Idara Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.26 05:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt Lets hope they fix this bug soon.... BSs faster then interceptors...... It's a bug now? Maybe it's an "unforeseen feature" at best. Please... ---
Colonel Steele	Posted - 2007.01.26 05:13:00 - [20] Please keep this thread on topic. There is another thread "stickyed" to discuss the merits of Fast BS's. Thanks
mematar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2007.01.26 05:18:00 - [21] Edited by: mematar on 26/01/2007 05:15:28 4x Siege II 3x Heavy Dim Nos 1x Gist X-Type 100mn MWD 1x Domination Warp Disruptor 1x Best Named Target Painter 1x Heavy Cap Booster 2x Local Nano 2x Local IStab 2x BCS II 1x PDS II 3x Propellant Injection Vent I 1x Zor's Custom Hyper-Link I'm gonna change the PDS II to DB RCU and put 4th Heavy Nos in. You need AWU lvl 4 to fit 4 heavy nos with T2 Siege, it works without AWU if you use Arbalest. 1322% speed boost on my MWD.
Elderberry Whine	Posted - 2007.01.26 06:10:00 - [22] I myself have met many of these so-called "speed" tanking ships, and easily destroyed them. The idea that these ships have any advantage at all is pure bunk. These nano threads are all hoaxes (most likely planted by disgruntled amarrans.) intended to trick CCP into nerfing matarri ships. Originally by: Rudy Metallo Originally by: slothe nano ships are like a big april fools joke. people say fitting them out for speed works. but how can it. they only have a shield booster for defence it just cannot work. have you ever seen one? i think not. its a big wind up. lies put forward by people who want ships nerfed for no good reason. DONT BELIEVE THE LIES !!!! a) It's called speed tanking. b) I've met the guy who made the nanophoon famous, and yes, it does go 8.5km/s, he has a Gistii type 100mn MWD, Local Hull Istabs, domination nanos, and snake implants.
MyOwnSling Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.26 06:24:00 - [23] Edited by: MyOwnSling on 26/01/2007 06:21:05 Edited by: MyOwnSling on 26/01/2007 06:20:35 Originally by: Elderberry Whine I myself have met many of these so-called "speed" tanking ships, and easily destroyed them. The idea that these ships have any advantage at all is pure bunk. These nano threads are all hoaxes (most likely planted by disgruntled amarrans.) intended to trick CCP into nerfing matarri ships. Then you haven't truely run into one of these speed setups. What people have been posting here seems to be along the lines of what I have seen, which is typhoons doing 8km/s and avoiding everything, including ships moving towards them with webbers, and all sorts of fire. ------------- Stop whining.
DirtyHarry Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.26 07:45:00 - [24] /me strokes his slothepowered nanodomi Havocide - DirtyHarryF-E Homepage F-E Killboard
Solar Blade	Posted - 2007.01.26 10:07:00 - [25] Edited by: Solar Blade on 26/01/2007 10:07:11 Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt Lets hope they fix this bug soon.... BSs faster then interceptors...... its not a bug, its been in the game for ages, and give me 1 damn good reason why it shouldn't be allowed, you see an enemy that you don't know how to counter effectivly and right away people start to scream BUG, EXPLOIT, FIRE, HELL, DOOM!!! stop whining and adapt, find a way to take them out and be done with it. and its NOT a hoax, I recently got killed by one. they nos you dead in the water while they take you out. besides going that fast requires quite a big pocketbook... at least half a billion for expensive fitting, ship and implants. the 8km/s versions are super expensive and have a lot of named and rare modules. people see this and freak out. but its surely possible. Minmatar finally have a good setup that doesn't involve sniping at long range...
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.26 10:50:00 - [26] Originally by: slothe nano ships are like a big april fools joke. people say fitting them out for speed works. but how can it. they only have a shield booster for defence it just cannot work. have you ever seen one? i think not. its a big wind up. lies put forward by people who want ships nerfed for no good reason. DONT BELIEVE THE LIES !!!! U fly both domi phoon and nanophoon, I can't link the KB :) on forums. Just usual F-E crap ... don't believe these dudes. They work as intended hence the other whine threads.
Draugz Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:01:00 - [27] Sensor damps leave the nanophoon in the dark.
Scordite	Posted - 2007.01.26 12:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Draugz Sensor damps leave the nanophoon in the dark. And by this you mean "sensor damps forces nanophoon to make a choice between going into web range, or warping off", yeah? With a nano setup, you don't really commit to the fight the way a tanked ship does. Kinda like old wcs setups. Which was nerfed. ----------------------------------------------- The only legitimate use of the BLINK tag: Schr÷dinger's cat is [BLINK] not [/BLINK] dead.
Larkonis Trassler Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.26 13:35:00 - [29] Originally by: Scordite Originally by: Draugz Sensor damps leave the nanophoon in the dark. And by this you mean "sensor damps forces nanophoon to make a choice between going into web range, or warping off", yeah? With a nano setup, you don't really commit to the fight the way a tanked ship does. Kinda like old wcs setups. Which was nerfed. Kind of like long range inties or other stand off ships eh? ------------ Crow Squad... An Audio and Visual Joygasm by Larkonis Trassler
Kunming Outcasts	Posted - 2007.01.26 13:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Scordite Originally by: Draugz Sensor damps leave the nanophoon in the dark. And by this you mean "sensor damps forces nanophoon to make a choice between going into web range, or warping off", yeah? With a nano setup, you don't really commit to the fight the way a tanked ship does. Kinda like old wcs setups. Which was nerfed. QTF.. I'll give away a lil secret though, try XL short range turrets with tracking stuff Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
Ghostshadow Caldari Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.01.26 14:58:00 - [31] The only way to beat these I-WIN setups is with a 10-15 man gang. 2 of these were in my corps home station last night and we couldn't do anything about them... BS are too slow and couldn't hit them.. we even had a carrier out but its fighters couldn't hit them. nanoed up frigs/cruisers/intys to tackle them was useless because thier heavy nos drained thier cap in a few seconds then their torps pretty much insta popped them. We even had a Huginin(sp?) that could web from 40km... but these ships have so much mass they could get out of range (even triple webbed) and warp off Long before they ever got to 1/2 speed. THe only way to counter this... is to use another nano battleship to tackle them... Which in itself says how overpowered it is. How many .. lets say faction equipped apoc... Fit 500mill worth of armor tanking stuff and slave implants... Can hold off a 10man gang forever with nearly zero chance of dieing unless another ship that is simmierly equipped attacks it? I don't mind intys going 8, 10 heck.. even 20 km/sec They are small fast ships DESIGNED to outmanuever thier prey/preditors. But, int'ys DO NOT HAVE HEAVY NOS, NOR THE ATTACK POWER OF SIEGE LAUNCHERS AND HEAVY DRONES. _________________________________ He who laughs last Thinks slowest
turnschuh Eye of God	Posted - 2007.01.26 15:01:00 - [32] nerf wcs, nerf nanos, it doesnt matter we will always find a new way to gank you and escape.
Idara Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.26 16:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Ghostshadow The only way to beat these I-WIN setups is with a 10-15 man gang. 2 of these were in my corps home station last night and we couldn't do anything about them... BS are too slow and couldn't hit them.. we even had a carrier out but its fighters couldn't hit them. nanoed up frigs/cruisers/intys to tackle them was useless because thier heavy nos drained thier cap in a few seconds then their torps pretty much insta popped them. We even had a Huginin(sp?) that could web from 40km... but these ships have so much mass they could get out of range (even triple webbed) and warp off Long before they ever got to 1/2 speed. THe only way to counter this... is to use another nano battleship to tackle them... Which in itself says how overpowered it is. How many .. lets say faction equipped apoc... Fit 500mill worth of armor tanking stuff and slave implants... Can hold off a 10man gang forever with nearly zero chance of dieing unless another ship that is simmierly equipped attacks it? I don't mind intys going 8, 10 heck.. even 20 km/sec They are small fast ships DESIGNED to outmanuever thier prey/preditors. But, int'ys DO NOT HAVE HEAVY NOS, NOR THE ATTACK POWER OF SIEGE LAUNCHERS AND HEAVY DRONES. Cry more. I'm not going even bother being constructive or help people see the problems with their arguments anymore. ---
Royaldo Old Farts	Posted - 2007.01.26 16:26:00 - [34] Originally by: Elderberry Whine I myself have met many of these so-called "speed" tanking ships, and easily destroyed them. The idea that these ships have any advantage at all is pure bunk. These nano threads are all hoaxes (most likely planted by disgruntled amarrans.) intended to trick CCP into nerfing matarri ships. Originally by: Rudy Metallo Originally by: slothe nano ships are like a big april fools joke. people say fitting them out for speed works. but how can it. they only have a shield booster for defence it just cannot work. have you ever seen one? i think not. its a big wind up. lies put forward by people who want ships nerfed for no good reason. DONT BELIEVE THE LIES !!!! a) It's called speed tanking. b) I've met the guy who made the nanophoon famous, and yes, it does go 8.5km/s, he has a Gistii type 100mn MWD, Local Hull Istabs, domination nanos, and snake implants. lol, this is even worse than the "omg nerf pulse!!!" threads some time ago..
Jak Blake	Posted - 2007.01.26 17:30:00 - [35] My nanophoon can kill anything 1 vs 1 except raven and domi (cant kill it but it cant kill me either). The key word is 1 vs 1. While its tough to pin one down you can chase it off quite easily with a fast tackler. With a tracking disruptor there is no turret ship that can kill me while i orbit him at 23-25km at 3000 km/s +, and no drones can hurt me, I outrun mediums and above and small doesnt do much damage. I fly with no tank what-so-ever so if i get into armor I have to go dock and get repaired. I fought a rohk yesterday and once his cap was gone he went down fast. A tackler warped in when he was at about 60% armor but i finished him off quickly and got away, but i went into about 95% armor. This is my setup (from memory). High: 4 arbalest cruise launchers, 3 heavy diminishing nos mids: named mwd, tech II heavy cap injector, best named tracking disruptor, domi warp disruptor. (if i am not solo i will have a target painter instead of warp disruptor). Lows: 3 local intertial stabs 4 local nano's
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2007.01.26 19:31:00 - [36] Originally by: Idara Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt Lets hope they fix this bug soon.... BSs faster then interceptors...... It's a bug now? Maybe it's an "unforeseen feature" at best. Please... indeed. the modules are not broken, they are working as intended. HOWEVER, the combination of their intended effects is causing folks to cry. quit whining and take it like a man you whiners :P to be honest, the second these setups loose speed, then you're dead - i tried a crude setup on the test server, and frankly they're not that tough once you break their tank, just like an armour tank or a shield tank. the trick is to intercept them and web them - they orbit to attack, as such, you can predict roughly where they're gonna be send an inty there with some webbers, and slow them down. at worst, they change directions, and loose speed briefly, allowing a persuing vessel to web and scram. ========================================== Iy
Scordite	Posted - 2007.01.26 19:55:00 - [37] Edited by: Scordite on 26/01/2007 19:52:46 Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Originally by: Scordite With a nano setup, you don't really commit to the fight the way a tanked ship does. Kinda like old wcs setups. Which was nerfed. Kind of like long range inties or other stand off ships eh? Long range inties are also speed tanks per definition. Same problem, stacking of speed mods. It seems more acceptable in their case though, since they can't tank any other way, and make a lot less impact against bigger ships. Not sure what you mean by standoff ships, but any ship that doesn't use nano/istab/mwd/mwdrigs/speed hardwires combo to avoid fire, you can tackle and kill once it's committed to the fight. I don't mind being pwned by nano/istab ships. But I do mind the fact that, just like old wcs setups which were nerfed for the very same reason, no matter how hard the nano ship commits to the fight, it always has a good chance of escaping when things start to go wrong. How about making all webbers 90%, but named/t2 versions apply their slowdown effect faster? Then you still have to actually web the nano ship to catch it, but once you're in range and activate the mod, there's a greater chance you'll actually have a shot at killing him, instead of him just cruising out of range again on his own inertia. That's just an idea though, the above paragraphs are the real point: Speed tanking is too low risk for the benefit it provides. ----------------------------------------------- The only legitimate use of the BLINK tag: Schr÷dinger's cat is [BLINK] not [/BLINK] dead.

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