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Cyrus Bishop
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Posted - 2003.12.07 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Cyrus Bishop on 07/12/2003 18:11:25
Alright, first they infiltrate CA teamspeak chats and release the logs. Questionable methods, but excellent results.
Now, they have this groups of morons advocating, and bragging about being corp thieves.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=46414
As far as I know, the FA is hunky-dorey with this. These idiots don't even think they did anything wrong.
My question is how can you spearhead a campaign against a suposed alliance that advocates piracy on moral grounds when you allow this type of thing to occur in your own backyard?
Also, is any other enemy of the FA potential targets for corp thievery and a spies and any other underhanded method that can be thought up? Why can't an alliance with such lofty morals just hop in thier ships and go fight?
Cheers.
"Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." |
sutty
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Posted - 2003.12.07 18:20:00 -
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most of the FA I knew and flew with were great guys. but these HHI guys seem abit weird. and for taking part in a corp theft. well its terrible that there still in the FA if its true.
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Walking Contradiction
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Posted - 2003.12.07 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Walking Contradiction on 07/12/2003 18:24:46
Don't bother trying to cause a conflict...
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.12.07 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: Art Dillinja on 07/12/2003 18:34:51
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Edited by: Cyrus Bishop on 07/12/2003 18:11:25
My question is how can you spearhead a campaign against a suposed alliance that advocates piracy on moral grounds when you allow this type of thing to occur in your own backyard?
Moral grounds? Please... 
We made SEVERAL posts explaining the reasons for our war with CA. It had nothing to do with 'moral grounds'.
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Cyrus Bishop
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Posted - 2003.12.07 18:37:00 -
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We made SEVERAL posts explaining the reasons for our war with CA. It had nothing to do with 'moral grounds'.
Then why all the effort put in to paint them as piracy advocates?
And that still doesnt answer wheather or not you allow, or encourage, corp theft by FA members.
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Xeris
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Posted - 2003.12.07 18:38:00 -
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You told us that FA wasnt at war with us. Oh well, I guess you'll need to get the spin-master online to correct it.
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.12.07 18:45:00 -
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We made SEVERAL posts explaining the reasons for our war with CA. It had nothing to do with 'moral grounds'.
Then why all the effort put in to paint them as piracy advocates?
Sarkos lied on several occasions about piracy in CA. We corrected him. If CA cant keep their internal channels secure, they shouldnt blatantly lie to the public.
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And that still doesnt answer wheather or not you allow, or encourage, corp theft by FA members.
I dont like corp theft. I wont encourage it. I think its lame.
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.12.07 18:48:00 -
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You told us that FA wasnt at war with us. Oh well, I guess you'll need to get the spin-master online to correct it.
Could you please quote me where i say FA is at war with you?
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Cyrus Bishop
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Posted - 2003.12.07 18:48:00 -
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Sarkos lied on several occasions about piracy in CA. We corrected him. If CA cant keep their internal channels secure, they shouldnt blatantly lie to the public.
So morals do not factor into desicions made by the FA? If it will work, it's a valid action?
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I dont like corp theft. I wont encourage it. I think its lame.
That's not what I asked.
"Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." |
Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.12.07 18:55:00 -
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So morals do not factor into desicions made by the FA? If it will work, it's a valid action?
Of course. Thats why you see us harboring eve's best known pirate corps and constantly lie about it on the boards. Oh, wait...
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I dont like corp theft. I wont encourage it. I think its lame.
That's not what I asked.
You are right. However you will understand that we dont decide internal matters on the public boards. 
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Cyrus Bishop
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Posted - 2003.12.07 19:02:00 -
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Of course. Thats why you see us harboring eve's best known pirate corps and constantly lie about it on the boards. Oh, wait...
No, but until you say otherwise you are harboring known, and admitted corp thieves. And doing a very poor job at lieing about it.
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You are right. However you will understand that we dont decide internal matters on the public boards.
You would prefer to keep your stance against corp theft (if that is the case) a secret? You're not leaving me with many options.
"Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." |
Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.12.07 19:17:00 -
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Of course. Thats why you see us harboring eve's best known pirate corps and constantly lie about it on the boards. Oh, wait...
No, but until you say otherwise you are harboring known, and admitted corp thieves. And doing a very poor job at lieing about it.
You are calling me a liar? Please point me to where i lied or keep your poor excuse for spin to yourself.
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You would prefer to keep your stance against corp theft (if that is the case) a secret? You're not leaving me with many options.
Your opinion doesnt bother me at all.
There are other alliances who put up shiny constitutions for the public.
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Cyrus Bishop
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Posted - 2003.12.07 19:27:00 -
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You are calling me a liar? Please point me to where i lied or keep your poor excuse for spin to yourself.
Once again, you've either missed the point or are ignoring it.
"Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." |
Fenring
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Posted - 2003.12.07 19:40:00 -
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You are calling me a liar? Please point me to where i lied or keep your poor excuse for spin to yourself.
Once again, you've either missed the point or are ignoring it.
Similar to what CA does I guess, and of course CA never lie in public and they never lie to other members of CA.
As for FA, Why would they discuss internal matters with someone who A)doesnt give a damn about the truth and B)someone who is part of an organisation which not only condones senseless griefage but condones pirate activities.
"The enemy to be feared is the one who wears the face of a friend"
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Cyrus Bishop
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Posted - 2003.12.07 20:09:00 -
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Similar to what CA does I guess, and of course CA never lie in public and they never lie to other members of CA.
What does the CA have to do with anything? I'm not a memeber of the CA, I don't even speak with members of the CA. I'm asking the FA a question and their not coming up with any answers.
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As for FA, Why would they discuss internal matters with someone who A)doesnt give a damn about the truth and B)someone who is part of an organisation which not only condones senseless griefage but condones pirate activities.
This CA stigma has really reached an all time high. I repeat; I am not a member of the CA, nor do I have any ties to the CA. As such, I would like to know how you got the idea that I condone senseless griefage and pirate activities.
Also, how do you know if I give a damn about the truth or not? If I did not however, why would I create a topic searching for answers instead of just starting an FA smear fest right off the bat?
As of now, I am being left with no choice but to assume the FA does in fact advocate and encourage corp theft as a valid tactic. This in turn answers my original question; no, they cannot be trusted.
Cheers.
"Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." |
Garfo
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Posted - 2003.12.07 20:20:00 -
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I am a part of the FA and I believe we are doing nothing wrong at all
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Vorgoth
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Posted - 2003.12.07 20:51:00 -
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Fenring, you're obsesed with the CA. Dear god, get a life.
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Fenring
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Posted - 2003.12.07 21:24:00 -
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Fenring, you're obsesed with the CA. Dear god, get a life.
I have quite an eventful life actually, and no I am not obsessed with CA who I pitty more than anything fore they cannot admit what they are.
When they come out of the closit then perhaps everyone will go back to ignoring them.
As to the other dude, you act and talk like most people I have seen from CA which kinda attatches the stigma to you of someone who is nothing but a clueless lapdog.
As for you not being CA well I suppose that does put you one level higher so for that I guess I should be a little bit more civilised.
"The enemy to be feared is the one who wears the face of a friend"
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Vorgoth
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Posted - 2003.12.07 21:43:00 -
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Fenring, sorry but you and your joke of a corp is nothing. You can attach names to others because taht is all you have. You need to realise that. The GWP makes the CFS look like a superpower.
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Fenring
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Posted - 2003.12.07 21:49:00 -
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Fenring, sorry but you and your joke of a corp is nothing. You can attach names to others because taht is all you have. You need to realise that. The GWP makes the CFS look like a superpower.
It is interresting how you judge things simply by size, it says a lot about yourself and your views on things.
As to what you think about my corp and about the GWP, do you honestly think we care a whit about it? I know I couldnt care much less about your opinion than I could that of a dead ant.
Also to that point, it is easy for you to say things when you have over 60 corps backing you up, and even then you lack control over GW, so who is the bigger failure? Surely you must know this, Unless of course you beleive the lies you are told, and surely you wouldnt beleive that, afterall a man with the whit and supreme level of imformation couldnt miss out something like that.
Anyway Im bored with you, now run along, i'll leave a saucer of milk on the floor so be a good little kitty, I have better things to do.
"The enemy to be feared is the one who wears the face of a friend"
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Vorgoth
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Posted - 2003.12.07 21:59:00 -
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Fenring, with Eve's mechanics its impossible to really hold territory. I wouldnt expect you to know that though. Everytime you enter battle, the GWP gets firmly routed. Also, if you dont care about my opinions why do you respond so fast? A tad contradictory huh?
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Cyrus Bishop
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Posted - 2003.12.07 22:11:00 -
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As to the other dude, you act and talk like most people I have seen from CA which kinda attatches the stigma to you of someone who is nothing but a clueless lapdog.
How's that Fenring? Im asking FA wheather or not they condone corp theft. How does that makes me sound like a CA member in any shape or form?
I might also ask how I sound clueless? There is an FA corp on record saying that they are in fact corp thieves, and they're actually quite proud of it. Thus far, the FA have said nothing in regards to its stance on corp theft. I'd be happy to sell you a clue at a very good price as it is all to obvious that you are in desperate need.
And who's lapdog might I be? At the moment I am a one man corp, with no ties to any alliance. As long as we're sharing you sound alot like an addle-brained twit who needs to invest in a muzzle before you does some permanent damage with your foot lodged so firmly down your own throat like it is.
While we're on the subject of lapdogs, I might ask what motivates you to pop your head into a thread that has nothing to do with you and start bad mouthing anyone who says anything bad about Fountain, an alliance you are not apart of. It seems as though you hunger for table scraps has led you to bark without cause. A common trait in poorly trained canines.
Now sit, beg, roll over. Good boy.
Cheers.
"Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." |
jigga
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Posted - 2003.12.07 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Cyrus Bishop on 07/12/2003 18:11:25
As far as I know, the FA is hunky-dorey with this. These idiots don't even think they did anything wrong.
My question is how can you spearhead a campaign against a suposed alliance that advocates piracy on moral grounds when you allow this type of thing to occur in your own backyard?
Also, is any other enemy of the FA potential targets for corp thievery and a spies and any other underhanded method that can be thought up? Why can't an alliance with such lofty morals just hop in thier ships and go fight?
Cheers.
The FA has made no statement on this issue yet, but it is on the agenda for the next FA Council meeting. What you have saw in that thread have been oppinions, both for and against this, made by members of corporations that are a part of the FA. There has been no official ruling yet, so please refrain from making assinine assumptions. Expect an official ruling by next Saturday. Thank you.
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Cyrus Bishop
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Posted - 2003.12.08 00:00:00 -
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I await the desicion with baited breath.
"Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." |
SithEwok
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Posted - 2003.12.08 03:19:00 -
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brush yer teeth. It is none of your concern.
Act of war was all it was.
Are you saying that spartan should be treated as law abiding citizens of eve?
If anyone wants to read my posts and answers to this idiots continuous questioning, and political gouging, pls feel free, as I do not like explaining myself over, and over, and over to an idiot on his alt character. thx
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=46414
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Cyrus Bishop
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Posted - 2003.12.08 04:01:00 -
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Act of war was all it was.
Consider it an act of generosity that I alert you as to how stupid you really sound.
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Are you saying that spartan should be treated as law abiding citizens of eve?
Maybe not, but as of now, neither should you.
Cheers.
"Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." |
Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2003.12.08 15:09:00 -
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How's that Fenring? Im asking FA wheather or not they condone corp theft. How does that makes me sound like a CA member in any shape or form?
FA is an allinace of several corps, if you want the opinion of the matter you should ask every individual within these corps's, but thats not really possible. Its like shout to a country why did you do this? and expect to get one clean answear back.
The wrong-doings (yes I see corp theft as something bad) of a individual or a few, doesnt necessary reflect the opinions of other members in same community. To blame someone collective for such a deed is quite ridicilous tbh. If you want to put blame, then do so upon the actual perps that did commit the deeds.
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Grunch
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Posted - 2003.12.08 15:28:00 -
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Cyrus Bishop,
please die.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.12.08 15:33:00 -
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Sarkos lied on several occasions about piracy in CA. We corrected him. If CA cant keep their internal channels secure, they shouldnt blatantly lie to the public.
I never lied Art Dillinja, prove that I did. You excell at twisting and spinning conversations and then responding with many words that lack any substance. You take chat logs from disgruntled EX-CA members as truth then expound upon them.
How sad it is now to see you defending such vile actions.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.12.08 15:40:00 -
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I remember seeing c0w people in HLW.
Surely they are pirates?
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.12.08 15:56:00 -
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I remember seeing c0w people in HLW.
Surely they are pirates?
Of course they are not pirates. They are flying with CA gangs, so they just can't be pirates. Same goes for all the other pirates in CA, who - all of the sudden - either stopped being pirates or aren't 'official members' of the CA.
Everything else would mean that Sarkos is a liar. Because in all honesty i cant believe that he is that naive.
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Zotigh
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Posted - 2003.12.08 18:59:00 -
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Anyone know who this Cyrus Bishop person is, and why it is so important for him to know if he can trust the Fountain Alliance?
He called me an 'idiot' in his opening salvo, and I don't even know the person.
How does the stance on any subject of the membership of the Fountain Alliance have anything to do with this Cyrus Bishop person? And, what makes this Cyrus Bishop person feel the right to demand an answer to anything regarding the Fountain Alliance?
Should you trust the Fountain Alliance??
Better question from my standpoint is; why should we care that the Cyrus Bishop person trust us?? I personally could care less if it does or doesn't.
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