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Jace Varus School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 6	Posted - 2016.01.19 21:29:17 - [1] - Quote What are the pros/cons of HAM Legions and Tengus? Is there a certain one that is better for some situations?
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13634	Posted - 2016.01.20 01:35:39 - [2] - Quote ham legion has a much smaller sig (and any of the other advantages armor gives) frankly outragious buffer tank (which gets silly with hg slaves) can have bonused neuts with one of its subs which will give people the hebejebes, (seriously ive seen small gangs go a long way to keep clear of those things) handles like a three bedroom semi-detached house though so bear this in mind does not smell of caldari filth (which is nice) hamgu has a much better active tank , higher dps and i think its faster, im not sure though, i dont like the smell of the things so im sure someone will give you a more thorough rundown on it. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Aralieus Shadowbane Syndicate 296	Posted - 2016.01.20 01:37:46 - [3] - Quote I've only flown a Ham Legion but I can list some pros and cons that I have noticed. Pros: +Can sport a monster buffer tank or active or a combination of the two ie; 1600 plate+dead space repper+slaves +Decent DPS +100mn AB ignores scrams and webs(mostly) +Selectable damage +High speed due to oversized prop mod and low signature radius from lack of Sig bloom can negate a lot of DPS +Did I mention the beastly tank Cons: -as agile as pole barn -damage projection -AB eats a lot of cap and can be pita if support skills aren't pretty high Uses: Definitely a PVP build but can be utilized in PVE Great for solo or small gang *Great for heavy tackle Side notes: I would say it almost requires bling and links to pull off. Also slave implants are very beneficial. That's all I can come up with for now but I'm sure there are more in both categories. Will update if I remember anything. HTH Oderint Dum Metuant
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13634	Posted - 2016.01.20 01:41:22 - [4] - Quote its hard to understate how much of an impact a full hg slave set makes to this ship. so if you dont have a set already i would set the 2b aside Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Valkin Mordirc 1841	Posted - 2016.01.20 03:48:52 - [5] - Quote HAM Tengus get more DPS then a HAM Legion, they tend to be a little fast and far more agile. You can mitigate the large sig radius of a shield based tank by going with an active tank and focus your rigs on DPS/Application/Range. HAM Tengus also get slightly better ranges as well. 100MN fits for Tengu is where it shines the most. You still need links for it to really work and get you faster then MWDs but even without Range Rigs your range and links with faction in 30km which synergies well with the Rep Fleet Point. Your tank plus speed lets you stay on field very well, I've managed to tank an Ivy kitchen fleet with no issues. `#DeleteTheWeak`
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 502	Posted - 2016.01.20 07:24:21 - [6] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: HAM Tengus get more DPS then a HAM Legion but only in kinetics. Which is so bad for other rats. Also Legion has free mid slots for new missiles modules. Overall I would take Tengu for guristas and Legion for everything else. "(...) I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas (...)" "Here in the garden of the arcane delights dark shadows overwhelm us and and we become blind..."
Garrett Osinov Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2016.01.20 08:31:40 - [7] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: HAM Tengus get more DPS then a HAM Legion but only in kinetics. Which is so bad for other rats. Also Legion has free mid slots for new missiles modules. Overall I would take Tengu for guristas and Legion for everything else. Nope...even if Tengu uses unbonused missiles it still does more damage and has more range then Legion. And has better tank as well. I am talking about Pve, not Pvp.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13642	Posted - 2016.01.20 08:43:04 - [8] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: HAM Tengus get more DPS then a HAM Legion, they tend to be a little fast and far more agile. You can mitigate the large sig radius of a shield based tank by going with an active tank and focus your rigs on DPS/Application/Range. HAM Tengus also get slightly better ranges as well. 100MN fits for Tengu is where it shines the most. You still need links for it to really work and get you faster then MWDs but even without Range Rigs your range and links with faction in 30km which synergies well with the Rep Fleet Point. Your tank plus speed lets you stay on field very well, I've managed to tank an Ivy kitchen fleet with no issues. Hahaha eve uni. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
JohnLock2011 Everyone vs Everything THE R0NIN 0	Posted - 2016.01.20 09:07:30 - [9] - Quote I fly Legion, all variants. Around 630DPS with faction BC and good skills and selectable dmg type 100mn is suberb for solo risky engagement or escape, but 34sec. align time ^^ 160K EHP with faction modules, 200K EHP with Slave set. U can use 6HAMS and one medium neut at high to break active tanks of many ships, incude Tengu ^^. 1vs1 u kill all Tengus mostly (depends on your fit), except ECM (because they escpae ^^) ITS LEGION!!! a beautifull shiny T3
Solid Hinken Triplanetary Development The Predictables 0	Posted - 2016.04.15 09:35:27 - [10] - Quote Can any1 share a fit for both of the HAMgu and HAMgion?

Khan Wrenth Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation 564	Posted - 2016.04.15 10:00:32 - [11] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: its hard to understate how much of an impact a full hg slave set makes to this ship. so if you dont have a set already i would set the 2b aside I love the subtle humor that both HAM ships need a lot of pork to work. Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp The Tuskers Co. 421	Posted - 2016.04.15 11:35:56 - [12] - Quote So, first up the usual ham tengu fit is a totally different ship from the legion First the tengu: [Tengu, new100mn] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script Imperial Navy Small Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 200 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Ancillary Current Router II Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Navy Cap Booster 400 x15 Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Assault Missile x1500 Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile x2980 Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x2980 Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x6445 Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile x1500 Nanite Repair Paste x252 - you have the typcial 100mn kitey tengu stuff, a small but sustainable active tank, lots of dps and quite decent application due to the web + mgc. With faction and implants you project 700 dps to 44km or 550 to 66km with javelin, you go 3.4km/s preheat with links and snakes all with decent agility and cap. [Legion, New Setup 3] Corpum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer Corpum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpii A-Type Thermal Plating Corpii A-Type EM Plating Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Warp Scrambler Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Ammatar Navy Medium Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800 Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Medium Anti-Thermal Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst This (and i just made that fit, so probably not optimized, there also is the plate/rep fit but i like this more, also snakes>slaves). If you plug it into eft youll see that its much less agile then the tengu, that its guns have 0 range and that it is also slower. It also deals a lot less dps. It also flies nothing alike it, while the tengu is a kiter the legion is a very tanky ship (2.7k tank preheat with links, nobles and strong exile) that is really small and really hard to put damage on due to the ab speed. It also can always get back to the gate/station due to the ab. So 100mn ham tengu usually is a kiter with a weak tank that relies on its sig tank and speed to survive while the ham legion relies on its high tank to outlast opponents and the ab is there to help an to give some mobility. There are 100mn brawl tengu fits, which usually tank a lot more then anything else, but they struggle with cap a lot and are also a lot bigger then the legion, so they get hit more often. But they are really rare.
Iyokus Patrouette Empty Vessels 1338	Posted - 2016.04.17 22:06:07 - [13] - Quote Hamgu - Pro: Shield Tank Con: Shield Tank Ham Legion - Pro: Armour Tank Con: Armour Tank ---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
Stapaina Perkone Caldari State 4	Posted - 2016.04.21 16:13:45 - [14] - Quote JohnLock2011 wrote: I fly Legion, all variants. Around 630DPS with faction BC and good skills and selectable dmg type 100mn is suberb for solo risky engagement or escape, but 34sec. align time ^^ 160K EHP with faction modules, 200K EHP with Slave set. U can use 6HAMS and one medium neut at high to break active tanks of many ships, incude Tengu ^^. 1vs1 u kill all Tengus mostly (depends on your fit), except ECM (because they escpae ^^) ITS LEGION!!! a beautifull shiny T3 If you come against Regengu, then 1 neut isn't going to do any harm, you need about 7 or 8 of them to shut it's tank. And that kind of Regengu can do almost 700 dps and tank up to 3k of damage.
Mysa EVIL PLANKTON 51	Posted - 2016.04.21 17:48:54 - [15] - Quote [Legion, Neuts Droens] Corelum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Damage Control II Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Reactive Armor Hardener Drone Damage Amplifier II Core A-Type 100MN Afterburner Warp Scrambler II Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Medium Energy Neutralizer Dark Blood Small Energy Nosferatu Dark Blood Small Energy Nosferatu Medium Anti-Thermal Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Energy Parasitic Complex Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 'Augmented' Hammerhead x5 Infiltrator II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Nanite Repair Paste x150 Navy Cap Booster 800 x12 When in a small fleet, priceless.. SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder


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