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Luthien Firefoot
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:23:00 -
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Dear All,
Perhaps you would expect a bit of flameage, considering the war dec and all. Also given the fact that MC recruit Valen06, was caught several times spying for FIX and giving out intel brazenly, in local, to FIX on IRON numbers, movements etc during our recent war with FIX.
But no incendiary underpants will you find here.
I have read and listened to a lot off ppl over the years accuse MC of being in BOBs pocket, ppl say to me now "see, see we were right all along, MC are just 'T2 BOPPETS'"
I have replied to them all, in MC's defense, that I don't believe it is so, MC are mercs and work for the highest bidder, the fact of where they live (in BOB space) and the time of the wardec (same time as BOB northern mobilisation) are just coincidences imho.
So I open it up to you, the spacefarers of eve to tell us if, like me, you believe that MC have not been told by BOB what to do, then agree with me, if you disagree and think that MC are indeed, highly skilled albeit, but BOB PETS, then feel free to state that, but back it up with some evidence / proof please, don't just smack for the sake of it.
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Breki
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Breki on 26/01/2007 11:20:59
1st 
 Originally by: Avon
Iceland, where even their singers are in to PvP.
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Electric Cucumber
Amarr
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:24:00 -
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MC are bob pets
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schemering
Shibari Mure
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:26:00 -
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Let me ask you this... If BoB didn't send MC up north, who did? Privateers? 
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Monkey Spankah
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:27:00 -
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EC SPEAKETHS THE TRUTH!!!
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NeverL
Enterprise Estonia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:28:00 -
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i sent them there, rly
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OozoO
Caldari
Decadence.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: schemering
Let me ask you this... If BoB didn't send MC up north, who did? Privateers?
teh giant squid!
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EnglishBob
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:29:00 -
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I predict a riot.
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JackOfHearts
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Luthien Firefoot
Dear All,
Perhaps you would expect a bit of flameage, considering the war dec and all. Also given the fact that MC recruit Valen06, was caught several times spying for FIX and giving out intel brazenly, in local, to FIX on IRON numbers, movements etc during our recent war with FIX.
But no incendiary underpants will you find here.
I have read and listened to a lot off ppl over the years accuse MC of being in BOBs pocket, ppl say to me now "see, see we were right all along, MC are just 'T2 BOPPETS'"
I have replied to them all, in MC's defense, that I don't believe it is so, MC are mercs and work for the highest bidder, the fact of where they live (in BOB space) and the time of the wardec (same time as BOB northern mobilisation) are just coincidences imho.
So I open it up to you, the spacefarers of eve to tell us if, like me, you believe that MC have not been told by BOB what to do, then agree with me, if you disagree and think that MC are indeed, highly skilled albeit, but BOB PETS, then feel free to state that, but back it up with some evidence / proof please, don't just smack for the sake of it.
Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not. Attachment leads to jealously. The shadow of greed, that is.
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gordon cain
Minmatar
x13
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: schemering
Let me ask you this... If BoB didn't send MC up north, who did? Privateers?
Nope, we would more likely hire them against us selves.
To stay on topic; I think more likely that they arent bob pets, but a little to much kissy kissy going on about those regions etc.
Gordon
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 26/01/2007 11:32:19
Originally by: EnglishBob
I predict a riot.
Oh my god I can't believe it, I've never been this far away from Delve..
On topic. I fail to see how whether or not an alliance hired mercs has anything at all to do with the question of them being an alt corp or any other relationship.
BoB Hired MC.
MC are BoB alts.
These are two statements which cannot be used to prove each other, even if it were known that one or the other were true. It's like saying. "An apple is a fruit, therefore apples are oranges."
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King Leonidas
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:33:00 -
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Pets/not pets
What difference does it make?
Maybe you lot should worry a bit more about what you are going to do about MC being in your neighbourhood than over-analysing the political ties that they have with random alliances.
All these forum tears are hilarious.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:33:00 -
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same time as BOB northern mobilisation
So, about a dozen of my corpmates go on a gank, and Dice decide to move some **** out of/into h-pa or something, and that's a mobilisation ?
You're going to give Celes false hope, we're not going anywhere just yet.
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh
Naz: John is a realist
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Luthien Firefoot
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: EnglishBob
I predict a riot.
You're supposed to be getting ready for ur interview !!
Tip - Don't wear a tie, if you get stressed you will turn purple..
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Ivo D
Minmatar
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:37:00 -
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mc are concord alts.
Member of the Sigzor ThieVzoRZ !!!!1oneeleven!one |
Captain Thunk
Explode. Now. Please.
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:39:00 -
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MC are not BoB pets.
Just because MC would never attack BoB does in no way make them pets, it's simply common sense from their point of view. Why would MC want to give up their systems which require little or no defence whatsoever? 
MC would attack BoB if the contract terms were right, what those terms actually are only Seleene is ever going to know. Impressive though MC is, it still cannot go toe-to-toe with BoB - as a result, what does anyone expect them to do? Chase the ratters and miners?
In conclusion, MC aren't BoB pets, just because they're never going to fight each other doesn't make them pets. They're both just alliances that enjoy quality PvP with anyone but each other because to fight each other makes no sense to either party.
CAPTAIN THUNK
If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team. |
FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 26/01/2007 11:40:22
Originally by: schemering
Let me ask you this... If BoB didn't send MC up north, who did? Privateers?
Being 'told' or 'asked' to attack an alliance, and being 'paid' on a contract to attack an alliance, are two entirely separate things. Also you are assuming the MC is headed north, when they may just be contracted to harass us in the south.
Though, due to the timing I'd be highly surprised if anyone other than BoB (or one of the bobbits) paid the MC to attack us.
I have nothing but respect for MC; I have seen little of their work first hand, but from what I have seen from the many alliances that have employed them is nothing but praise and awe at their professionalism. They take the tools required into a job and clean up after themselves.
All you people are basing your tin-foil conspiracies on the comments of some ISS nut during the IAC/ISS war and the colour of a few regions on the map.
I think the only disappointment in this is that we don't know how much we're worth per week, and we don't know what the terms of the contract are.
However, in my personal opinion, I have lost the respect I had for BoB.
Whilst fights with FIX have been mostly smack free, the worst and most appalling smack I've seen has come from BoB pilots. Just because an enemy refuses to fight on your terms, it does not entitle you to post all sorts of crap in local. Before any BoB pilot says they've never seen me in local, cut and paste is a wonderful thing.
Moreover the last 3 months of BoB stating things like "we would have attacked D2, but they have become too weak and pathetic to be worth our time" (paraphrased), hardly puts them on our Christmas card list. I know IRON and BoB have historical differences, but BoB is being particularly vehement about the north.
The one final thing I will leave you all with is this. FIX has sovereignty in a whole bunch of systems in Querious, practically all but the most southern point are either FIX or neutral. So why the bigass blue BoB label on the map? I think I've only seen BoB on one of the dozen or so times I've been into Querious.
Edit: I should stress that this is only my personal opinion. Obviously some of you are going to get carried away and think I am speaking for IRON on this one, I am not.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:43:00 -
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You lot do cry a lot. You send gank squad's and attack and such and all is fine and dandy, you flex and chest beat saying one day we will crush you bob ( aimed at you d2,iron, rzr ,slaves etc ), guffaw backslap hand wring. But you get a little heat and you come screaming to the forum's, zomg, the end is here , mc are bob's babies, onoes etc yada yada yada.
It's nearly as ridiculous as the d2 guy last night accusing us of bloobing them with 10 people when the night before they brought 140 total i think including MM to attack 20 people, stop whining and just play the game.
And no, i don't think MC is in BoB's pocket's
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 26/01/2007 11:40:10
wrong button.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Karjala Inc.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:44:00 -
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Can't remember where I heard this the first time but this is what I think is somewhat correct:
BoB and MC are two different entities. MC lives under BoB though deep in their territory. They don't rent the space in normal way though (as in pay x amount of ISK every month) but instead they give BoB 4 weeks of free contract time to spend each year. That would of course mean that we're (both IRON and D2) going to have only two weeks of war with MC but I doubt that'll happen.
Mandatory disclaimer: These are my thoughts, not my corps/alliances.
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Kaleeb
S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:44:00 -
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As much as I dislike alot of bob, I wish they would go up north and destroy everyone of these crybaby alliances. Who cares if MC are bob pets?
If you dont like it then do something about it...
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Jin Steele
Fatalix Inc.
Schism.
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:46:00 -
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FIX pays BoB for the soveriegnty, thats why.
Fatalix IS RECRUITING!
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Ivo D
Minmatar
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Steele
FIX pays BoB for the soveriegnty, thats why.
nope
Member of the Sigzor ThieVzoRZ !!!!1oneeleven!one |
Stamm
Amarr
Three Holdings
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:53:00 -
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BoB are only interested right now in stirring up a hornets nest. The more talk about BoB in the north the sooner the north will go down and attack BoB. BoB want everybody to come attack them, not to go attack everybody. That's why they've used some of MCs rent to cause them to go stir things up in the north.
That's my opinion on it anyway, obviously since BoB aren't going to come and outright confirm it I guess we'll never really know.
Galaxian Recruitment Info |
elohllird
Gallente
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:53:00 -
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Who gives a toss
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maarud
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:54:00 -
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MC are mercs
Somebody has haid them to war dec, if those people happen to be BoB, then so be it, but rest assured, who eve it is, they are paying.
Maarud.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:55:00 -
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Don't you just love how the ones who give the most smack and flamage on the forums, are the ones who haven't a clue and have no involvement in the conflicts themselves?
It's like those fat kids who watch fights at school, cheering whoever is currently winning. At the end of it all, they are still a fat kid with no chance of winning a fight on their own.
Luth asked a valid question in this topic:
Will all those with proof that MC are BoB alts/slaves, please step forward and show that proof. Otherwise STFU and stop making conspiracy theories about a conflict that doesn't involve you.
PS: I suspect this will come back to haunt me.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
NereSky
Gallente
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:57:00 -
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Well while i have the utmost respect for the MC i dont believe they fall under 'the pet' cliche'
imo they are more like in comparison to a dangerous dog that lives in BoB's backyard and is left well alone as although useful and dangerous will bite anyone it has cause to.
ive seen nothing to prove that BoB own MC (or the other way round) only speculation and conjecture which im afraid is a greyish cloud above BoB's and MC's relationship but does it really matter? BoB is err well errr just BoB and MC in my view will always be Mercs who kick ass most of the time.
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JackOfHearts
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Steele
FIX pays BoB for the soveriegnty, thats why.
nope
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Ian Novarider
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:58:00 -
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>>>
MC would attack BoB if the contract terms were right, what those terms actually are only Seleene is ever going to know.
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They would not.
Even for a VERY high price.
The question has been asked, the answer has been given.
Have fun
Ian
PS:
This applies to the CURRENT geo-political situation in EVE. No one knows if this will be possible in the future.
Quote:
Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
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