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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.12.08 05:35:00 -
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Get out of Empire space and mine it =) ---
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Soren
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Posted - 2003.12.08 05:43:00 -
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Hopefully this is CCP's intentions, let's get some more activity in 0.0's. _________________________________________________________
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Mr Money
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Posted - 2003.12.08 05:48:00 -
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Sounds like a party
I like chocolate milk, milkshakes, regular milk, money, and chicks with big racks
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J3tt
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Posted - 2003.12.08 06:03:00 -
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keg at my house
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Capn Blood
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Posted - 2003.12.08 06:14:00 -
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Or.....the people still in Empire space are those who are unwilling to risk their ships (for whatever reason)....
...the increased cost of mega means ships cost more, and therefore they are even more unlikely to move out.
Combine this with pirates waiting for them on the way out and back....and alliances charging admittance or even just shooting people for the heck of it.
I don't think there will be any great floods of people heading out to 0.0 even if you tripled the cost of Meg. ============================================== "Trust no man who says to you that 'The ends justify the means' or who says that 'We will do whatever it takes...'. These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians."
The book of Rab Chapter 1, Verse 3. ============================================== |

Grimveous
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Posted - 2003.12.08 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: Grimveous on 08/12/2003 07:01:44 yep the megacyte is definatly out there, however as someone said before, it seems the small corps are unable to mine it, due to alliances not allowing them enter to regions, or the fear of pirates. But there sure is plenty of bistot out there, just scout out locations in a vigil with a roid scanner and all is good :) ================================================
I eat bunnies, ich esse hassen, karl tenderises the bunnies before i eat them by sitting on them |

Herophant
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Posted - 2003.12.08 07:22:00 -
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i Got an beder soluttion. Give me ca 10000000 mega. Then i could share it with those who deserve it. Then there will be no mega shortage. Tanks way sucks. When he kills me in 0.0 im not getn any mega. I am getn a mega shortage. I will have to get a new ship havent i?
Second thought forget the "share" part. IT all MINE 
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Sikk
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Posted - 2003.12.08 08:24:00 -
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Take all ore except Veldspar out of Empire space.
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Teutobod
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Posted - 2003.12.08 08:32:00 -
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I spend some time outside empire controlled space. I like it out there, but even tough I cruise around and scout a bit I haven't seen bistot/crokite in abundance.
I know that maybe I have not looked hard enough, but when you take into account the time needed to scout for good amounts of bistot/crokite and the risk involved in getting it. Most space is controlled or claimed in one way or another and pirats like to block off choke points.
Choke points is a problem, why on earth are there so few routes out into 0.0? Why not make some more, that way, you can't just set up camp in FD-MLF and wait for te traffic, you'll have to shift as the traffic shifts.
I don't think people will just take more risk, they'll just stay in empire, because most of them got battleships already and maybe get so bored they eiher quit or maybe just are content with mining scordite and stuff with their corp mates.
You can also get plenty of mega/zyd in empire, farm rats or faction ships. No, rising price on megacyte is not gonna push people into 0.0.
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.12.08 08:59:00 -
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Just wrote a loooooong guide to mining for idiots. How about I just say: Get off your lazy rears and quit whining. Bistot is there, bistot is close, bistot is expensive (so you can sell it for nice profit! OR you can save yourself the cost of it by mining it! ), and bistot doesn't have a warp drive or navicomp. _______________________________________________________________________
IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. |
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Blood Hawk
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Posted - 2003.12.08 09:05:00 -
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Quote:
Take all ore except Veldspar out of Empire space.
Why does nobody think of the n00bs any more? You do things like this and how are new players supposed to make a living in the begining?
Show them no mercy ... for you shall receive none! |

Torath
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:21:00 -
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Quote:
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Take all ore except Veldspar out of Empire space.
Why does nobody think of the n00bs any more? You do things like this and how are new players supposed to make a living in the begining?
By mining Veldspar with all the other noob and BS owners in Empire space!!!
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: WhiteDwarf on 08/12/2003 11:33:40 "Take all ore except Veldspar out of Empire space"
All you whining griefers out there brought this upon yourselves.
You now "own" all of 0.0 space with your petty alliances, mine your own Bis. Don't expect us to come out there and do it for you so you can gank us in the process, no thank you...
Now with the no instajump bookmarks and no mobile refineries, the situation will only get worse...
You got what you wished for, don't be trying to take the ore in Empire Space away from us because you can't handle the current situation...
"Trust No One" |

Slithereen2
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen2 on 08/12/2003 11:34:22
Quote: Just wrote a loooooong guide to mining for idiots. How about I just say: Get off your lazy rears and quit whining. Bistot is there, bistot is close, bistot is expensive (so you can sell it for nice profit! OR you can save yourself the cost of it by mining it! ), and bistot doesn't have a warp drive or navicomp.
How about this as a solution?
Noob player asks WTF I have to pay 12 dollars every month just to mine some mineral only to have my hours of labor destroyed when my ship gets ganked?
How about playing some other game instead that does not have to deal with crappy ore shortages?
Player leaves game. Problem solved.
Love Slaves for Bald Headed Amarrian Men |

Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Gan Ning on 08/12/2003 11:37:00
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Take all ore except Veldspar out of Empire space.
Yeh that'll definately force people out to 0.0 space. I can see it now when they try to get back to empire.
Lines and lines of ships gridlocked at the gates, pirates would be issuing a ticketing system so they can queue up and recieve their ganking in an orderly fasion.
Tank'll be so happy he'd probably have an orgasm.
(j/k!)
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:46:00 -
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"Yeh that'll definately force people out to 0.0 space. I can see it now when they try to get back to empire.
Lines and lines of ships gridlocked at the gates, pirates would be issuing a ticketing system so they can queue up and recieve their ganking in an orderly fasion.
Tank'll be so happy he'd probably have an orgasm"
CCP would be asking for the game to fail if they were to adopt such a lame solution...
"Trust No One" |

Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:58:00 -
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lol it's always the alliances fault.
there's not like 10+ unclaimed regions with bist.... and avoiding alliance space is easy, there's maps you know.
ppl are just to lazy and mining bistot isn't as profitable as mining omber in 0.5.
and lot's of ppl do agent missions too, which might be profitable if you get an implant.
and no, ccp is not gonna make it any better. -- The worst thing you can do when suggesting a solution to a problem is to provide alternatives, people end up arguing the alternatives instead of implementing the fix. |

WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.12.08 12:07:00 -
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"Have research agent's only in empire space"
Why the hell should they not be in Empire Space? Duh!
Why should scientists have to avoid a ganking to research?
Seems to be a lot of poeple who want to force others into 0.0 space just so they can add to thier frozen corpse trophy chest...
That is certainly no way to get more players to join up...
You can't force people who want to avoid PvP into that type of situation, and expect them to actually like it, and continue paying $12.95 per month.
So you idiots with all these hair brain schemes to get people to go through your JIP camp, or gate camp need to shutup now...
"Trust No One" |

CHUMSICLE
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Posted - 2003.12.08 12:09:00 -
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People are scared to death of anything below .5. Just try to get a ship delivered out there, its insane!
Sales Manager for Expanded Minds Inc - We suffer the tedium of R&D so you dont have to |

Oosel
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Posted - 2003.12.08 13:05:00 -
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as part of a small corp who used to reside in fountain but when the fa announced no corp under 25 was eligable we did as asked and got out of dodge so to speak...we then went back our merry way into empire space and didnt just mine in 0.9 0.8 space we mine a lot in 0.1-0.2....we have taken months to get to where we are now and dont have vast amounts of isk to replace anything we lose.... we take risks every day just doing agent missions most of which take you straight into places like sarum prime and other ganking turfs so we know all about risk-v-reward....before i get hammered with join a bigger corp we chose to stay the size we are now and we make a living in empire space so why should we risk losing everything we have just to lose it all in 0.0 after being jumped by the likes of si or biomass etc...if ccp want a game that is inhabited by mega corps only then they should have said soin the first place.... if big regional alliances would allow smaller corps into 0.0 im sure more would venture in but theres so many who wont give you a second look why bother keep trying to get there.....we still have to sneak into yz-lql just to retrieve stuff we have in the corp hanger
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.08 13:12:00 -
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Quote: People are scared to death of anything below .5. Just try to get a ship delivered out there, its insane!
It's always been that way. Used to be a pain to try and get anything delivered to Frerstorn in Metropolis. It didn't matter that the pirates had long since left. Just that it was low sec space.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |

Faramir
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Posted - 2003.12.08 13:35:00 -
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I'll bring the miner2's if someone brings a mobile refinery...
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Garreck
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Posted - 2003.12.08 13:50:00 -
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People being scared of 0.0 space is obviously causing predictable economic results. I really don't have too much trouble with this: it proves that simple economic theory works in Eve (supply and demand and what-not.) However, I feel it's a needless situation.
Do folks not know how to use their maps? You can find how many ships are in a system, how many podkills/ships destroyed in a system, all kinds of sweet information. There are choke points into 0.0 space that can be controlled, yes, but try and log on at differing times to get a feel for how populated these systems are at those different times. Furthermore, find out if these people are guarding the way to the ore, or the way back into empire space. Sometimes if you can get in, you can find a backdoor out. I discovered this quite by accident in one region.
And finally, there is insurance and clones. Don't fly around in more than you can afford to insure, and don't fly around without an up to date clone. Right now, I can buy a thorax for 5.5 million isk, and get full insurance for 2.2 million. You know what the payout for that insurance is? 7.7 million isk, amazingly enough. Just the right amount to buy another ship and another full insurance policy at no cost to me.
I have several cruisers, all of them insured, and plenty of pocket money besides. Let's get some folks into 0.0 space, give the pirates something to do, get the economy warmed up again, and make Eve a much more lively place. You won't regret it!!
Garreck Aeternus Crusade
Aku. Soku. Zan. |

Nepereta
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Posted - 2003.12.08 13:56:00 -
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Some 0.0 space is actually safer than empire space take CFS for example: The corps there pay for a navy corp that actively chases out pirates. ORS again is quite safe. Syndicate is quite safe apart from the war with Evol and the JIP campers nearer empire space.
NVA isn't very safe( although I do plan to do some poaching(hunting) for loot as soon as their backs are turned) nor is GW( due to CA). Geminate and Vale of the Silent is quite safe although it is the home of huff technologies and biomass and tends to be poor mining/hunting.
Biomass doesn't really commit to hunting down dots deep in some obscure constellations because richer targets are found entering and leaving the mainlines.
You can sneak into CA via geminate if you are careful to avoid all nasty dots on the players in space ( you can assume every pilot there is hostile unless you are CA). You can poach(hunt) a little I would recommend going very deep to a location that isn't being used and using the ( as yet uncovered )Geminate exit. Use way points to 'wrap' around hostile dots and make a safe spot when when you set up hunting away from any orbit items. Also open your map (Pilots in Space) every time you warp to the next gate After a while it will come to be fluid motion.
In my 3 day expedition in CA poaching for good drops I bumped into 3 singular people in local, (1 was an alt) but in no instance did I actually meet another pilot in the same space. Although I couldn't physically carry my drops back I gained many nice top level loots.
I think Catch is too be avoided at all costs and the GWP entrance at Egbinger is getting more unsafe as time gos by (unless you are CA). The unsafeness of Catch probably rules out going into the SA for poaching.
It is worth getting out to 0.0 space ASAP even if it is just to hunt. I am just gutted I didn't spend more time out here when I started out. The potential dangers are well and truely overstated if you are wily enough and spend enough time to avoid it( and by that I mean avoiding the nasty dots on the mainlines by taking long winded routes).
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Maasu
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Posted - 2003.12.08 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Maasu on 08/12/2003 14:00:43 Spent all weekend mining bistot - made .... wait for it.... 10 mil. Fair enough it was ninja mining, but fs an entire weekend and only 10mil - hardly worth it spawning is much more fun / profitable.
So as you can imagine the issue for most small corps who cant put together a corp wide mining op is to only solo - and i don't think it's as profitable as spawning.
ATUK, The Forlorn Hope of Corps. |

Jake Pliskin
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Posted - 2003.12.08 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jake Pliskin on 08/12/2003 14:09:06 the in-game map hasn't been reflecting accurate data (just from the comments i've heard other people making) - testing, checking verifying both on TQ and Chaos takes a lot of time.
Would people please look into this more.
if it really is broken, it must be a priority bug-fix for the dev team. Accurate map data is essential.
As a side note, during the early days people were awed by the size of the Eve Universe, does anyone else think, the universe doesn't feel so vast these days? especially with those highway systems, going from one side of the map to the other, no longer takes all day |

Garreck
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Posted - 2003.12.08 14:28:00 -
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Jake, I can't see how this is the case. Most of my activities in 0.0 requires up to the minute data...if the map had failed me, I would be on my 50th clone to be sure.
But this does give me pause for thought. I'll definitely be testing it today with a few mates.
Garreck Aeternus Crusade
Aku. Soku. Zan. |

Megatron CBB
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Posted - 2003.12.08 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Megatron CBB on 08/12/2003 14:43:16 for one all of the bistot roids i have seen r baby roids which give next to nothing mining them..also why should someone risk a 100mill ship to go mine in .0 space...if the regional alliances dont let ppl in to mine then they r the problem and the idiot pirates who fly around killing miners r the problem not the ppl who like to mine in empire space. So stop your whinning about empire miners and do something about the idiot pirates who's only goal is to kill ppl for no reason..btw..the ppl that they r kill r the ones who supply the ore to make their ships so how stupid is that 
p.s.--tank is a jip camping girl but of course everyone knows that 
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Nepereta
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Posted - 2003.12.08 18:13:00 -
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The map data is not quite up to date. Take a fast warp thru 10 empty systems and you might see your 'echo' trail a few hops behind you. Quite scary the first time you notice it cos you think someone is following you. (Its a bit like training and assetts a little laggy.) Just steer clear of the evil dots by a fair berth. Keep cheking and try to predict which way they are going most people seem to set a single destination when they feel safe. eg Miners in CA.
Also get in contact with good security teams. If ya see other friendlies doing what you do then get in contact with them. They may take the route you are and they can realy if its clear.
I would say 80% of the peeps in areas you are 'allowed' to go are good people like yourself ( if you are good). Try a little conversation and you'll be alright. Keep good pirate hunters/ alliance navies in your region in your address book these guys are simply gagging to knock off a wily pirate. You can be part of that just inform and stay informed!! I used to use bounty channel but that tbh ain't very good. Find the region public channels!
The only time I got knocked off was due to complacency I had previously lived in S. Heimatar when it was very quiet. Back in those days you could sell all your nice mins in a big autopilot round-robin in an unprotected freight( thats how I got knocked off) hope whoever it was enjoyed all the nice afterburners.
It was around the time pirates started moving in on empire big time. Having either formalised wars or being kicked out by the big alliances that where forming everywhere.
Now I am more paranoid going thru near-highway 0.4s than a lot of 0.0s.
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2003.12.08 21:04:00 -
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Umm ahhh umm ah, where is the Spudman and Arkanor? HUMMM?? TELL US, PLEASE. OH THATS RIGHT ITS IN JOVE SPACE.
Sad truth is that there is not much to mine in 0,0 space thats worth a dam unless you can jump 40 jumps one way to a station. Mining 80 ore Bistot roids is a waste of time when compared to the 6k ore Bistot roids there were at the first 3 months of this game.
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