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Fanny-Basher Fury Spawn 1	Posted - 2016.01.26 19:14:17 - [1] - Quote What do people think of this As Josef is supposed to be a security controlled why not make it so you cane activate aggressive mods while in hisec unless target is thief has suspect or pirate or killrights and duel? But not neutral. Ganking has not happened to me in a freighter but I imagine it has a impact on players that are restricted and bankers just make.New toons and keep doing it or a harsher punishment? Ideas welcome I just think in hisec you should be sort of safer lol.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13480	Posted - 2016.01.26 19:16:21 - [2] - Quote Seriously, wtf is this? Also, screw them bankers!
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 547	Posted - 2016.01.26 19:16:49 - [3] - Quote Lame. Please put in more effort next time.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 43914	Posted - 2016.01.26 19:37:05 - [4] - Quote It's been a while since we last had a "highsec should be completely safe" thread. They disappeared as numbers dropped. This is a sign that Eve not dying. Still as rubbish an idea as ever, but comforting that this thread was made. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 10425	Posted - 2016.01.26 19:39:04 - [5] - Quote Bankers gonna bank Wankers gonna **** Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Netan MalDoran Last Garrison 186	Posted - 2016.01.26 19:39:35 - [6] - Quote I cant figure out if you are really drunk, really high, or both. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! Falcon's truth
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 10425	Posted - 2016.01.26 19:40:21 - [7] - Quote Also, OP, your name is highly offensive Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Poddington Bare Angur Therapy 142	Posted - 2016.01.26 19:42:26 - [8] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Also, OP, your name is highly offensive Not as offensive as Snatch Mangler, mind you.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 10428	Posted - 2016.01.26 19:47:35 - [9] - Quote Poddington Bare wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Also, OP, your name is highly offensive Not as offensive as Snatch Mangler, mind you. That is certainly true Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 596	Posted - 2016.01.26 20:24:03 - [10] - Quote +1 for a high class idea OP!! Dont listen to these trolls!! Make highsec safe!! Go on with your bad self!! /me pours gasoline onto the fire and sits back and smiles Imam: Have you heard anything I've said? Richard B. Riddick: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? Imam: That's right. Richard B. Riddick: Had to end sometime.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2518	Posted - 2016.01.26 20:37:44 - [11] - Quote Fanny-Basher wrote: What do people think of this As Josef is supposed to be a security controlled why not make it so you cane activate aggressive mods while in hisec unless target is thief has suspect or pirate or killrights and duel? But not neutral. Ganking has not happened to me in a freighter but I imagine it has a impact on players that are restricted and bankers just make.New toons and keep doing it or a harsher punishment? Ideas welcome I just think in hisec you should be sort of safer lol. You can`t just remake new character anyway. Recycling character to dodge the security standing system is a bannable offense.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3746	Posted - 2016.01.26 20:38:34 - [12] - Quote Ive for a long time wondered what horrid thing would happen if ganking in high sec was removed. I don't mean things like "eve would not be eve anymore", I mean what actual events would transpire, in what order, that would result in CCP closing the servers? What would be the chain of events? What would be the drivers behind each step in that chain of events? Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Ginnie School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 83	Posted - 2016.01.26 20:42:22 - [13] - Quote I am a banker...we have purposes in High Sec, Low Sec, Null and, yes, even WH space... Screw them bankers? Ummm no...screw you, you get no more loans from us...enjoy your rookie ship All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 616	Posted - 2016.01.26 21:11:18 - [14] - Quote I keep re-reading it, but I just can't make sense of anything before "ganker" My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Paranoid Loyd 8254	Posted - 2016.01.26 21:15:00 - [15] - Quote Who is Josef? "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13766	Posted - 2016.01.26 21:17:35 - [16] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/Op3i6xb.jpg Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Persephone Alleile Nocx Initiative 89	Posted - 2016.01.26 21:19:38 - [17] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Who is Josef? Maybe a hisec version of Bob?
Paranoid Loyd 8255	Posted - 2016.01.26 21:20:07 - [18] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Bankers gonna bank Wankers gonna **** Potatoes gonna potate "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 616	Posted - 2016.01.26 21:21:53 - [19] - Quote Well it's good to know the OP is against bankers. I suppose offering him a loan is out of the question. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Fanny-Basher Fury Spawn 1	Posted - 2016.01.26 21:59:55 - [20] - Quote Trolls welcome its just a question and I was hoping for sensible comments not keyboard warriors. In high security space one would think it's safe until the inevitability happens. Eve is changing anyone do the mass test for citadel?
Fanny-Basher Fury Spawn 1	Posted - 2016.01.26 22:01:25 - [21] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Lame. Please put in more effort next time. When you get insulted by a goon it's time to move on
Fanny-Basher Fury Spawn 1	Posted - 2016.01.26 22:04:54 - [22] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Seriously, wtf is this? Also, screw them bankers! HTC damn mobile auto corrtect eve terminology
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 617	Posted - 2016.01.26 22:05:49 - [23] - Quote Fanny-Basher wrote: Trolls welcome its just a question and I was hoping for sensible comments not keyboard warriors. In high security space one would think it's safe until the inevitability happens. Eve is changing anyone do the mass test for citadel? If you want sensible comments, then you need to write a sensible question. As it stands, people are having trouble making sense of it. If it is full of typos, please go fix them. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 231	Posted - 2016.01.26 22:11:04 - [24] - Quote Fanny-Basher wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Seriously, wtf is this? Also, screw them bankers! HTC damn mobile auto corrtect eve terminology Autocorrect can't explain the remainder of the incoherent post.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2493	Posted - 2016.01.26 22:19:25 - [25] - Quote Fanny-Basher wrote: ... I was hoping for sensible comments not keyboard warriors. ... These forums are really dead for a MMO of this size. Want to guess why? CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 618	Posted - 2016.01.26 23:22:07 - [26] - Quote Now that you've corrected, it is somwhat readable. Fanny-Basher wrote: What do people think of this As hi sec is supposed to be a security controlled why not make it so you cane activate aggressive mods while in hisec unless target is thief has suspect or pirate or killrights and duel? But not neutral. Ganking has not happened to me in a freighter but I imagine it has a impact on players that are restricted and gankers just make New toons and keep doing it or a harsher punishment? Ideas welcome I just think in hisec you should be sort of safer lol. emphasis added. You are safer in highsec. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
David Therman University of Caille Gallente Federation 116	Posted - 2016.01.26 23:59:28 - [27] - Quote High security does not equal total security. The end. Honestly, some of the biggest adrenaline rushes I've had have come about from the fear of imminent destruction and loss of prized assets by way of 1400mm artillery, simply because I hit carelessly hit "Dock" on Jita 4-4 instead of warping to the insta-dock BM. Removing that fear would make high-sec so, so dull.
Mercury Madullier Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:24:19 - [28] - Quote YES. Got in before a CODE agent chimed in. Seriously though OP. Let me take you down your own train of thought and try to help you understand why the security mechanic is fine the way it is. You are sitting in highsec. You no longer have to worry about gankers. If someone commits a criminal act in hisec their victim only receives 1 hp of damage and the ganker's ship explodes. Life is good. You laugh and scoff at the fools that join corps. Fools want to risk loses ships in a wardec? That is fine by you. You have a decent PvE battleship and can make enough isk to sub your account with little problems. So, what is next for you? Join a Corp? No, you have already decided that risking PvP in hisec is foolish. You can handle it in a controlled environment where you can pick and choose when you are at risk but no need to subject yourself to it. What to do? As you look over you r prospective opportunities one thing becomes blatantly clear, there is no nitch market. Everyone has a leg up on you no matter what you do. In fact, those fools in corps have access to manufacturing and reprocessing facilities that allow them to make and products at a price that would force you to take a loss on whatever you make. You consider trading but there are huge capital investment requirements before you can start making decent isk. Hauling but with hisec clear of gankers, you are again a small fish in a big pond. The profit margin very slim. That battleship was fun for the first week but some of the missions take you into lowsec and you have already had a few close calls. It is at this point you say to yourself "I wish there was a way to get better at PvP. Something with some risk but not too much. Just enough to learn the basics. That is when you reach your moment of complete clarity and realize the very thing you needed, even now want, you demanded they take away from you. My advice is to pause your skill training for a week or two, create a second toon and train it, and fall headlong into PvP/ corps/risk and see what you are missing. At the very least you will get insight into how the other half lives.
Akirei Scytale Okami Syndicate 3626	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:25:10 - [29] - Quote 0/10
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 285	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:27:48 - [30] - Quote Fanny-Basher wrote: What do people think of this I just think in hisec you should be sort of safer lol. There are others that think the opposite. I think high-sec is a mess of forced tactics due to it trying to cater for everyone.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 43931	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:31:02 - [31] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Fanny-Basher wrote: ... I was hoping for sensible comments not keyboard warriors. ... These forums are really dead for a MMO of this size. Want to guess why? It's against the rules to talk about that. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25730	Posted - 2016.01.27 00:31:43 - [32] - Quote The OP seems to be afflicted with the misconception that High Security=Total Security; it does not. Highsec is only as safe as you make it for yourself. Concord aren't there to to protect you, they are there to punish those who commit the only punishable offence in highsec, which is unsanctioned aggression. An analogy would be a game park. Concord are the wardens, they allow the inhabitants to become fat and juicy targets and punish poachers. They sell the rights to kill the inhabitants of the game park to hunters on safari; in this analogy wardec corps are the hunters. Gankers are analogous to poachers, if they kill without paying their dues they get punished. Faction Police are gamekeepers, their primary purpose is to discourage poachers and other undesirables. TL;DR Highsec isn't meant to be safe, the whole crimewatch mechanic was written to reflect this and gankers are very much working as intended. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Pix Severus Empty You 2514	Posted - 2016.01.27 01:21:00 - [33] - Quote Fanny-Basher wrote: I just think in hisec you should be sort of safer lol. lol Vincent Athena wrote: Ive for a long time wondered what horrid thing would happen if ganking in high sec was removed. I don't mean things like "eve would not be eve anymore", I mean what actual events would transpire, in what order, that would result in CCP closing the servers? What would be the chain of events? What would be the drivers behind each step in that chain of events? At a guess: 1) CCP removes ganking from highsec i) Most gankers leave the game or reabsorb into low/null alliances ii) Huge protest, unsubs, the works iii) Giant smug-filled circlejerk from carebears 2) A few months later.. i) Highsec grows silent as carebears don't talk to each other in local ii) Carebears realise that without risk, EVE has lost that element of danger that makes it worth playing in the first place iii) Carebear subs drop dramatically iv) EVE is on life-support 3) Some clever guy makes his own "spiritual sucessor to EVE", filled with the danger that EVE now lacks i) Everyone moves over to that game 4) EVE dies My lord.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 622	Posted - 2016.01.27 01:31:29 - [34] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Fanny-Basher wrote: I just think in hisec you should be sort of safer lol. lol Vincent Athena wrote: Ive for a long time wondered what horrid thing would happen if ganking in high sec was removed. I don't mean things like "eve would not be eve anymore", I mean what actual events would transpire, in what order, that would result in CCP closing the servers? What would be the chain of events? What would be the drivers behind each step in that chain of events? At a guess: 1) CCP removes ganking from highsec i) Most gankers leave the game or reabsorb into low/null alliances ii) Huge protest, unsubs, the works iii) Giant smug-filled circlejerk from carebears 2) A few months later.. i) Highsec grows silent as carebears don't talk to each other in local ii) Carebears realise that without risk, EVE has lost that element of danger that makes it worth playing in the first place iii) Carebear subs drop dramatically iv) EVE is on life-support 3) Some clever guy makes his own "spiritual sucessor to EVE", filled with the danger that EVE now lacks i) Everyone moves over to that game 4) EVE dies 5. Then everyone at the new game complains that it needs to be more like eve. 6. Devs at new game listen to complaints and try make the game more dangerous. 7. Return to step 1. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25731	Posted - 2016.01.27 01:38:18 - [35] - Quote @Iria & Pix : Scarebears are like locusts or the Aliens from Independence Day, moving from game to game stripping the good stuff and leaving nothing but a barren landscape behind them. EA would probably employ them like a shot Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4356	Posted - 2016.01.27 02:19:07 - [36] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Fanny-Basher wrote: ... I was hoping for sensible comments not keyboard warriors. ... These forums are really dead for a MMO of this size. Want to guess why? Hipsters got to post where it's currently hip. It's OK, someday they'll mature and know that some thoughts need more than one sentence to explain. You're trying to conquer me You never will conquer me -Delroy Wilson
Jacques d'Orleans The Scope Gallente Federation 2570	Posted - 2016.01.27 03:11:06 - [37] - Quote Fanny-Basher wrote: Ganking has not happened to me in a freighter but I imagine it has a impact on players that are restricted and gankers just make New toons and keep doing it or a harsher punishment? What do you mean with "players that are restricted"? Restricted in form of isk? Well then "don't fly what you can't afford to lose." That's pretty much common sense, some could say and then...well you get the point. Furthermore I would assume, that 90% of the High Sec ganks could have been easily avoided, just by a proper fitted ship or not autopiloting their ship. Those are pretty simple concepts, aren't they, but then again...well you get the point. Tbh, when somebody is just to stupid or simply to lazy to fit his ship properly or to fly it himself instead of autopiloting it, he does deserve to be ganked. I've lost ships too by those stupid things i've mentioned before, but instead of whining about it in the forums, i've asked the guys who killed my ships and got a very decent convo with them and they gave me a huge amount of infos, like how to avoid gate camps, how to fit my ship and so on. Most HS Carebears see gankers as the living evil, i can assure you they are not, if someone asks then how to EVE, i'm sure that 99% of them will give you a convo with advice how to EVE. And of course, before i forget it, having a proper mining permit is mandatory, it's just 10M isk!
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode isd community communications liaisons 6870	Posted - 2016.01.27 05:32:43 - [38] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Fanny-Basher wrote: ... I was hoping for sensible comments not keyboard warriors. ... These forums are really dead for a MMO of this size. Want to guess why? It's against the rules to talk about that. I lol'd politely. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 43940	Posted - 2016.01.27 05:42:05 - [39] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: I lol'd politely. If I can bring a smile to your face with the work we make for you, all while volunteering, then that's a good day. Glad you could get a lol out of it. G¥ñn+Å Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 10440	Posted - 2016.01.27 17:58:00 - [40] - Quote Ginnie wrote: I am a banker...we have a critical purpose to players in High Sec, Low Sec, Null and, yes, even WH space... Screw them bankers? Ummm no...screw you, you get no more loans from us...enjoy your rookie ship Er, no - screw you, actually...there is not now, then, nor will ever be a viable or actual bank (based on EVE's mechanics as they currently stand). Your 'profession' (such as it is) is basically just a figment of someone's deranged imagination, especially if you believe that 'bankers' (as they currently operate in EVE) are somehow integral to the continued operation and success therein. Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 2	Posted - 2016.01.27 21:11:00 - [41] - Quote I could totally be misreading the original post here, and I had to read it a bunch of times to get an idea of a handle on what was being asked. I think he was asking to go weapons hot while doing other activities and not bring the wrath of Concord down on you as long as you have nothing targeted that wasn't legal prey. I don't actually understand that because I thought you could go weapons hot in HiSec against things like suspects as that was a bait strategy isn't it? So that part confuses me, but setting that aside... If he's asking to allow warming up weapons systems with no target, in that sense, wouldn't it benefit both 'potential victims' (Carebears in mocking slang) and instigators (Suicide Gankers)? I've never tried weapons hot unless I've been shot first, (I shot first at a pirate NPC only to realize if I'd screwed up and targeted the player just beyond the pirate I'd have been space particles...) Given some of the Alpha strikes of some ships, yeah, getting shot first might not be the best practice, but in HiSec, at least I'll keep my nice security status. I don't mind the PVP aspect of the HiSec space as it is, it means I have a place to practice and screw up my practicing in relative safety while trying to figure out the game process, my UI, and my scanners. I've been baited several times, but being a newbie with only a few scratches and scuffs, it's not time for me to try duking it out with a potentially skilled PVPer in a ship I could only dream of flying right. So, I don't agree with any call for changing HiSec, I'm not sure if what the OP is asking for is a problem or not for either side. Like most MMO's with PVP, first striker usually wins. Element of surprise is very powerful. I'm not sure it can be balanced, even if it should be balanced.
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 486	Posted - 2016.01.27 23:48:25 - [42] - Quote I've been ganked exactly once since I started playing in mid '14. It happened in late December last year in a 0.8 system where a Tornado one-shot volleyed my hauler. It actually took me a couple of seconds to realise what had happened. Why did it happen? Well, because I was stupid and complacent. I broke pretty much all the basic rules. 1: Carrying ~ISK400m in an unrigged, half tanked hauler with 3.5k EHP? Check. 2: Not using MWD/Cloak trick? Check. 3: Not changing course/docking up/refitting ship after noticing I was getting ship/cargo scanned off an earlier gate? Check. 4: Not checking the map for suspicious ganker-activity like signs? Check. Basically, due to my own laziness, my hauler was dead the second I left the safety of my POS shields. It was just a matter of time until it went pop. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X 543	Posted - 2016.01.28 06:04:42 - [43] - Quote Fanny-Basher wrote: What do people think of this As hi sec is supposed to be a security controlled why not make it so you cane activate aggressive mods while in hisec unless target is thief has suspect or pirate or killrights and duel? But not neutral. Ganking has not happened to me in a freighter but I imagine it has a impact on players that are restricted and gankers just make New toons and keep doing it or a harsher punishment? Ideas welcome I just think in hisec you should be sort of safer lol. The only change id like to see is random players locking you getting flagged criminal. (not people you care about like peeps in your corp or fleet etc, just random dudes). Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2503	Posted - 2016.01.28 22:44:33 - [44] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: 1: ... half tanked hauler with 3.5k EHP? Check.. There are some better defences than eHP for haulers. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 489	Posted - 2016.01.28 23:02:29 - [45] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Mephiztopheleze wrote: 1: ... half tanked hauler with 3.5k EHP? Check.. There are some better defences than eHP for haulers. yup, there are. in my lazy complacency, I didn't use any of those either.... Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
Paranoid Loyd 8289	Posted - 2016.01.28 23:11:07 - [46] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: Ive for a long time wondered what horrid thing would happen if ganking in high sec was removed. I don't mean things like "eve would not be eve anymore", I mean what actual events would transpire, in what order, that would result in CCP closing the servers? What would be the chain of events? What would be the drivers behind each step in that chain of events? At a guess: 1) CCP removes ganking from highsec i) Most gankers leave the game or reabsorb into low/null alliances ii) Huge protest, unsubs, the works iii) Giant smug-filled circlejerk from carebears 2) A few months later.. i) Highsec grows silent as carebears don't talk to each other in local ii) Carebears realise that without risk, EVE has lost that element of danger that makes it worth playing in the first place iii) Carebear subs drop dramatically iv) EVE is on life-support 3) Some clever guy makes his own "spiritual sucessor to EVE", filled with the danger that EVE now lacks i) Everyone moves over to that game 4) EVE dies Ignoring the social ramifications, there is also the effect of both increased supply and reduced demand due to the amount of assets no longer being removed from the economy. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2352	Posted - 2016.01.29 00:49:07 - [47] - Quote what a time to be alive "Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus ............................... Angel Cartel \|\| Serpentis

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