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fred mcgee Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.15 07:35:00 - [1] - Quote did they really nerf the orca trick where you can change ships even when your are aggresed?
DarkAegix Acetech Systems 576	Posted - 2011.12.15 08:22:00 - [2] - Quote Thankfully, yes.
VKhaun Vex Viziam Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2011.12.15 09:52:00 - [3] - Quote Since it was a mining ship they said they never considered it a 'feature', only a 'bug'. Which makes sense, but some don't want to hear it.
fred mcgee Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.15 12:51:00 - [4] - Quote dammmit, why u do dis ccp. it was a way to counter blobs.
Kahz Niverrah We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming Moar Tears 83	Posted - 2011.12.15 16:12:00 - [5] - Quote fred mcgee wrote: dammmit, why u do dis ccp. it was a way to counter blobs. Yes, I'm sure the last thing that goes through a pilot's head after getting hot dropped is "man, I sure wish I had an Orca!" I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I post with my main.
Vile EnEon Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 6	Posted - 2011.12.15 17:21:00 - [6] - Quote Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #1 = Can't board a ship from Orca's SMA if red boxed Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #2 = Can't scoop a ship into Orca's SMA that is targeted by anyone including the Orca Pilot. By stealth nerf I mean not listed in any patch notes, so enjoy your surprise and confusion after installing patch. The first nerf was a PITA. The 2nd one is simply we-todd-did in my humble opinion. As it is now, If I'm mining in high sec, and my Orca pilot jettisons a T3 for me to board, and some we-todd-did NPC / Player / Drone targets the empty T3 before I can board it, there it sits, floating in space un-piloted and vulnerable. The Orca Pilot can't scoop it back into SMA since the T3 is targeted by something. The T3 pilot can't board it because he doesn't own the ship and it is targeted. (Orca pilot launched it so Orca pilot owns it) The Orca pilot could board it if skilled, but then we have an empty Orca floating in space. If the Orca Pilot is not skilled, then the T3 floats in space until a solution is figured out, or down time occurs. At least now War Targets, Can Flippers, and Care Bears have a new layer of safety from the evil Orca of doom.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 403	Posted - 2011.12.15 17:21:00 - [7] - Quote fred mcgee wrote: dammmit, why u do dis ccp. it was a way to counter blobs. Exactly how many ships are in these "blobs" that are countered by an unarmed industrial ship?
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 403	Posted - 2011.12.15 17:27:00 - [8] - Quote Vile EnEon wrote: Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #1 = Can't board a ship from Orca's SMA if red boxed Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #2 = Can't scoop a ship into Orca's SMA that is targeted by anyone including the Orca Pilot. By stealth nerf I mean not listed in any patch notes, so enjoy your surprise and confusion after installing patch. The first nerf was a PITA. The 2nd one is simply we-todd-did in my humble opinion. As it is now, If I'm mining in high sec, and my Orca pilot jettisons a T3 for me to board, and some we-todd-did NPC / Player / Drone targets the empty T3 before I can board it, there it sits, floating in space un-piloted and vulnerable. Sounds like you shouldn't be swapping ships in front of NPCs and/or hostile players. Warp to a safe spot, kill the NPC, whatever. Also, providing tears from a member of TEARS is probably a bad idea. It just feeds the carebears who love this patch.
Ulstan State Protectorate Caldari State 3	Posted - 2011.12.15 19:21:00 - [9] - Quote Vile EnEon wrote: Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #1 = Can't board a ship from Orca's SMA if red boxed Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #2 = Can't scoop a ship into Orca's SMA that is targeted by anyone including the Orca Pilot. By stealth nerf I mean not listed in any patch notes, so enjoy your surprise and confusion after installing patch. The first nerf was a PITA. The 2nd one is simply we-todd-did in my humble opinion. As it is now, If I'm mining in high sec, and my Orca pilot jettisons a T3 for me to board, and some we-todd-did NPC / Player / Drone targets the empty T3 before I can board it, there it sits, floating in space un-piloted and vulnerable. The Orca Pilot can't scoop it back into SMA since the T3 is targeted by something. The T3 pilot can't board it because he doesn't own the ship and it is targeted. (Orca pilot launched it so Orca pilot owns it) The Orca pilot could board it if skilled, but then we have an empty Orca floating in space. If the Orca Pilot is not skilled, then the T3 floats in space until a solution is figured out, or down time occurs. At least now War Targets, Can Flippers, and Care Bears have a new layer of safety from the evil Orca of doom. CCP doesn't want you switching ships/fits in combat situations (very reasonably, IMO) If you want a new ship/fitting, dock up and change it. CCP wants you to commit to a fight with the ship/fitting you have.
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 483	Posted - 2011.12.15 19:58:00 - [10] - Quote Now you might have to learn how to actually PVP (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Vile EnEon Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 6	Posted - 2011.12.15 20:39:00 - [11] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Also, providing tears from a member of TEARS is probably a bad idea. It just feeds the carebears who love this patch. Nope, no tears here, just calling it like I see it. This latest nerf just slows down the process, we still have our ways.
Vile EnEon Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 6	Posted - 2011.12.15 20:40:00 - [12] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: Now you might have to learn how to actually PVP I thought the first rule of PvP was to pick your fights. Which is exactly what we do. If people don't like the way we pick fights, that is simply their problem and not mine.
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 486	Posted - 2011.12.15 21:14:00 - [13] - Quote As long as you have fun fighting PVE fits and needing orca swaps to do it then more power to you I guess. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 82	Posted - 2011.12.15 22:27:00 - [14] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Vile EnEon wrote: Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #1 = Can't board a ship from Orca's SMA if red boxed Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #2 = Can't scoop a ship into Orca's SMA that is targeted by anyone including the Orca Pilot. By stealth nerf I mean not listed in any patch notes, so enjoy your surprise and confusion after installing patch. The first nerf was a PITA. The 2nd one is simply we-todd-did in my humble opinion. As it is now, If I'm mining in high sec, and my Orca pilot jettisons a T3 for me to board, and some we-todd-did NPC / Player / Drone targets the empty T3 before I can board it, there it sits, floating in space un-piloted and vulnerable. Sounds like you shouldn't be swapping ships in front of NPCs and/or hostile players. Warp to a safe spot, kill the NPC, whatever. Also, providing tears from a member of TEARS is probably a bad idea. It just feeds the carebears who love this patch. Yes, exactly, the Carebear wants Salvagers to be forced to warp to a safe spot in order to switch ships. That gives the PVE target a free opportunity to blow you up AND good 30-40 seconds to align and dock up. FAIL. Congratulations, you just provided the Carebear with 'risk free PVP' - and very little prospect of salvager success. Luckily there are workarounds, but those workarounds do not work well when you live (geographically) a long way from the servers. Latency kills you - and the ship is often locked up before it even renders on your client, if the PVE target is the slightest bit clued in. Being required to 'eject' a ship is simply nonsense when its your Orca and the 'Board ship' function exists. At the very least, ships should not change ownership simply by residing in an Orca's cargo bay - preventing the 'empty ship locked, unscoopable, unboardable problem. Personally, I think there should be no impediment to 'boarding' (and risking) a new combat ship - its the 'hiding" an aggressed ship, midcombat, in an Orca that seemed abusive.
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 490	Posted - 2011.12.16 00:10:00 - [15] - Quote Confirming flagging yourself for pvp in a weak ship is the carebears fault and they should be punished for it. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
fred mcgee Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.16 05:07:00 - [16] - Quote CCP please revert back to the old mechanics, i beg you please there is nothing wrong with it, please bring it back
Bienator II madmen of the skies 359	Posted - 2011.12.16 06:14:00 - [17] - Quote Suddenly Ninjas is a synonym for someone fighting pve fits a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked
Smiling Menace Star Nebulae Holdings Inc. 63	Posted - 2011.12.16 06:41:00 - [18] - Quote I think CCP should bring it back....BUT!...if the pilot that takes a ship from the SMA has aggro, the Orca gets it too for 'helping' someone in a PvP situation, just like neutral RR. Now all you need are probes for a free kill on the Orca. Should be very easy to find an Orca in space that isn't at a belt...
Kodama Ikari GOOD FELLAS Inc. 2	Posted - 2011.12.17 06:41:00 - [19] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: Confirming flagging yourself for pvp in a weak ship is the carebears fault and they should be punished for it.
Azran Zala Sicarius. The Kadeshi 0	Posted - 2011.12.17 14:14:00 - [20] - Quote Kahz Niverrah wrote: fred mcgee wrote: dammmit, why u do dis ccp. it was a way to counter blobs. Yes, I'm sure the last thing that goes through a pilot's head after getting hot dropped is "man, I sure wish I had an Orca!" I lol'ed in RL
whaynethepain 21	Posted - 2011.12.18 06:37:00 - [21] - Quote Don't encourage him, philosophy built on bull sit slips over every time. I too loled though. The main thing it does is stop a sole miner using an Orca as a jet can in a mission or scan site, rats come along, lock something, and oh noes. Getting you on your feet. So you've further to fall.
Sprule Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.12.21 18:40:00 - [22] - Quote oh, poor little orcafaggots have to learn another exploit to think they can win
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 182	Posted - 2011.12.22 00:27:00 - [23] - Quote Smiling Menace wrote: I think CCP should bring it back....BUT!...if the pilot that takes a ship from the SMA has aggro, the Orca gets it too for 'helping' someone in a PvP situation, just like neutral RR. Now all you need are probes for a free kill on the Orca. Should be very easy to find an Orca in space that isn't at a belt... I wouldn't mind seeing that, though it'll lead to the fun aspect of lowsec station games where players dock their shiny in their carrier, and warp their pod off as they dock their carrier. Though this would be limited to sub-BS station games.
Armtoe One. 138	Posted - 2011.12.22 14:14:00 - [24] - Quote Ulstan wrote: Vile EnEon wrote: Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #1 = Can't board a ship from Orca's SMA if red boxed Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #2 = Can't scoop a ship into Orca's SMA that is targeted by anyone including the Orca Pilot. By stealth nerf I mean not listed in any patch notes, so enjoy your surprise and confusion after installing patch. The first nerf was a PITA. The 2nd one is simply we-todd-did in my humble opinion. As it is now, If I'm mining in high sec, and my Orca pilot jettisons a T3 for me to board, and some we-todd-did NPC / Player / Drone targets the empty T3 before I can board it, there it sits, floating in space un-piloted and vulnerable. The Orca Pilot can't scoop it back into SMA since the T3 is targeted by something. The T3 pilot can't board it because he doesn't own the ship and it is targeted. (Orca pilot launched it so Orca pilot owns it) The Orca pilot could board it if skilled, but then we have an empty Orca floating in space. If the Orca Pilot is not skilled, then the T3 floats in space until a solution is figured out, or down time occurs. At least now War Targets, Can Flippers, and Care Bears have a new layer of safety from the evil Orca of doom. CCP doesn't want you switching ships/fits in combat situations (very reasonably, IMO) If you want a new ship/fitting, dock up and change it. CCP wants you to commit to a fight with the ship/fitting you have. honestly -- I dont buy this as being reasonable. IMO in small group and solo pvp there is a lot of rock/paper/scissors going on -- anything that allows players to break out of that pattern and to introduce tactics and randomness to combat is a good thing, as otherwise the combat becomes unduly predictable and boring. As far as im concerned ccp picked the wrong solution to this issue. Rather then removing the feature -- they should have continued to allow it, but with the proviso that the orca's become aggro flagged for have participated in the fight.
tikktokk tokkzikk Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2011.12.22 14:51:00 - [25] - Quote We are playing in a sandbox. We figure our buckets can hold water, not only sand. That speical kid, you know who I mean, tell the grown ups we are using our buckets wrong. The grown ups poke holes in the bottom of our buckets. We can now only play with our buckets "how they were supposed to be used".

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