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C0wgirl Gallente Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.29 11:33:00 - [1] I've beenlooking at buying my first HAC. So my first significant investment in something which doesn't pay back a good sum in insurance when I die. :( lol I will be using it mainly for solo ganking, but may alter the setup accordingly for gang ganking. However, for the purpose of this thread, I want thoughts about solo setups. Drone-wise I was thinking aside from the usual mix of heavy/med/light. I would also include some energy drones and a few webber drones. Looking in >this< thread I came across a setup which I thought looked ok. But still had worries about. by Karylia: Originally by: Karylia High : 2x Nosf (diminishing) 3x 125mm Railgun II Med : 1x AB II 1x Warp Disruptor (named) 1x Web (named) 1x Tracking Disruptor II 1x Medium Elec Cap Booster (800) Low : 1x Medium Armor Rep II 1x Explo Hardener (faction or II) 1x Damage Control (named) 1x True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano 1x Reactive Plating II I like this setup, but I'm worried about the armour being so wafer thin. So I thought about fitting a 800k plate, instead of the Med Cap booster. However, is it ok without the plate that armour ok? It's possible that I'm underestimating how good hac resistance's can be, having never used one? Thanks, CG CG
zwerg Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.29 12:06:00 - [2] 2x Med 'Dim' Nos. 3x Light Neutron Blasters II. 1x Sensor Boost II. 1x Fleeting Web ( i use domination ) 1x 10mn Microwarpdrive II ( i use Shadow Serpentis ) 1x 20km Disruptor. 1x True Sansha Medium Cap Injector 2x Medium Armor Rep II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano II 1x Explosive Armor II 5x Ogre II 5x Valkyre II rest of drone maybe web, ecm blabla. /z Save the whales!!! Harpoon some Amarrians!!!! It's great being minmatard isnt it?!
C0wgirl Gallente Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.29 12:12:00 - [3] Edited by: C0wgirl on 29/01/2007 12:13:22 Edited by: C0wgirl on 29/01/2007 12:08:27 Thanks for the reply zwerg. I was particularly intersted in whether the armour amount becomes an issue without a plate. Or do good resistances make that less of an issue. Thanks, CG
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.29 12:15:00 - [4] I'd use Eyeshadow's 1600mm plated Ishtar tbh, especially after Kali. Still works fine _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma!
50freefly Caldari Purify Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.01.29 12:18:00 - [5] Originally by: C0wgirl Edited by: C0wgirl on 29/01/2007 12:08:27 Thanks for the reply zwerg. I was particularly intersted in whether the armour amount becomes an issue. Or do good resistances make that less of an issue. Thanks, About to get an Ishtar myself... My opinion on the matter is that if you have to get rid of the injector the plate isn't worth it. The Ishtar has a HUGE cargo bay, make use of that and bring loads of cap charges! If anything I'd add another med repper to the mix, I believe with 800s you can sustain the whole setup, especially with Nos... I heard about a supertanked Ishtar that killed 2 hurricanes at a gate, I imagine it was using dual repper... Really the goal of this ship is to have an uber tank and just clobber everything with heavies, so the injector is a must. 2k armor isn't a lot but it should be enough unless you get called primary in a fleet battle or something... Just be careful and pick your targets and you should be okay. Not that I'd know, I haven't even flown one yet . Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Zephyr Zhang	Posted - 2007.01.29 12:22:00 - [6] Edited by: Zephyr Zhang on 29/01/2007 12:18:27 I wouldn't undock without a cap booster now a days
Countess NotFarOut2	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:26:00 - [7] Quote: ..armour being so wafer thin. Resists give far better protection then Armorplates. That's the major advantage the T2 ships have over their T1 counterparts.
C0wgirl Gallente Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:47:00 - [8] Originally by: zwerg 2x Med 'Dim' Nos. 3x Light Neutron Blasters II. 1x Sensor Boost II. 1x Fleeting Web ( i use domination ) 1x 10mn Microwarpdrive II ( i use Shadow Serpentis ) 1x 20km Disruptor. 1x True Sansha Medium Cap Injector 2x Medium Armor Rep II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano II 1x Explosive Armor II Hmm, I can't even manage to fit part of this setup, I run out of PG. :( CG
C0wgirl Gallente Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:53:00 - [9] Originally by: R'adeh I'd use Eyeshadow's 1600mm plated Ishtar tbh, especially after Kali. Still works fine Any chance of posting it? CG
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2007.01.29 14:02:00 - [10] Originally by: C0wgirl Originally by: zwerg 2x Med 'Dim' Nos. 3x Light Neutron Blasters II. 1x Sensor Boost II. 1x Fleeting Web ( i use domination ) 1x 10mn Microwarpdrive II ( i use Shadow Serpentis ) 1x 20km Disruptor. 1x True Sansha Medium Cap Injector 2x Medium Armor Rep II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano II 1x Explosive Armor II Hmm, I can't even manage to fit part of this setup, I run out of PG. :( Yeah I kinda get the feeling this might only fit with uber skills but even if you use faction stuff it will be tricky.. not sure which skills could lower the pg usage of those big ones.. Seems like a decent setup tho, with drones you realy want to be the closest enemy .. All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Justice Bringer Minmatar United Univers	Posted - 2007.01.29 14:39:00 - [11] The setup you're looking at is ok, but I prefer to maximise my damage output where possible. If you know you're going to be up close then go for: High: 3 x Heavy Electron Blaster IIs (Null), Med Dim, Small Dim If you want to keep at range: High: 3 x Dual 150 IIs (Lead, Spike), Med Dim, Small Dim Then in the med and low you could try: Med: Domination 10MN AB, Cap booster, Web, Drone Navigational Computer, Omnidirectional Tracking link (swap one item for a scram) Low: True Sansh Med Repp, 2 x True Sansha EANM, True Sansha Explosive, Nano hull/Inertia Stabiliser/DCU II. Drones: 10 Heavy, 10 med, 5 light (HAS lvl 5) Using the faction items helps reduce the cpu fitting problems the Ishtar has because you'll struggle with all tech II items but fit what you can afford. As for fitting a plate I would suggest going the other way with the Ishtar and go for more speed and agility. You don't really want to be absorbing any damage so try to avoid it completely by being fast and nimble. I currently use the blaster setup (for missions) and it works like a charm but the Dual 150 IIs have been my favourite for a long time as you can load up with spike ammo and get a decent range with the rails. Just try many different setups depending on your situations and then you'll be fine. You could even use a decent fleet setup like the following: High: 3 x Med guns II, Med Nos, Drone Link Augmentor Med: AB II, Sensor Booster II, 2 x Drone Nav Comps, Omni Tracking link Low: As above. I've tried this out and I have an effective drone range of around 100km which is a decent fleet distance, but with the 2 Nav comps your drones will cross this distance in no time. Hopefully ther will be so much going on for anyone to pick you out from the crowd, but it is a nice thing to see. Just have fun whatever you settle for. Justice
Darknar Gallente Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.01.29 15:18:00 - [12] i dont know if anyone has tryed it, but has anyone had any success with a sentry drone focused ishtar. ie 5 sentry drones and drone tracking mods. (i didnt want to start a new thread)
C0wgirl Gallente Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.29 16:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Justice Bringer The setup you're looking at is ok, but I prefer to maximise my damage output where possible. I'm not sure if it's possible with this yet... but I would prefer to let my drones do the work, and I tank, using nos if necessary. CG
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.29 17:01:00 - [14] Originally by: C0wgirl Originally by: R'adeh I'd use Eyeshadow's 1600mm plated Ishtar tbh, especially after Kali. Still works fine Any chance of posting it? 2xMedium Diminishings 3xMedium pulse IIs 1x10mn AB II 1x20km Distruptor 1x90% Webber 1xTracking disruptor 1xMultispec 1xSmall Armor Rep 1x1600 Rolled Tungsten 1xFaction Explosive Hardner 1xEANM II 1xRCU (Tech2 if u want and upgrade guns a bit) I use 75/125mm II rails since I'm 100% Gallente and can't use any other guns. People fitting dual repper and an injector waste 1 med slot imo. It isn't that bad, but I just don't like carrying booster charges around and then sit 40 jumps in hostile 0.0 with no charges left. The armor plate and resists give you insane, non-cap-reliant, tanking while still allowing you to fit more EW like damps or tracking disruptors. PS: Train for the Eos, it's an Ishtar on steroids! _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma!
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.29 17:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Darknar i dont know if anyone has tryed it, but has anyone had any success with a sentry drone focused ishtar. ie 5 sentry drones and drone tracking mods. (i didnt want to start a new thread) Yup, it's nice to carry 5 sentry drones (bouncers!!) with you while roaming in a gang or at a gatecamp...however, I don't like to use 'em when solo because they're a pain to pickup again. _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma!
FraXy 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.29 17:27:00 - [16] HIGH-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > [ 175 \| 20] Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I > [ 9 \| 15] Small Diminishing Power System Drain I > [ 6 \| 6] Dual Light Pulse Laser II > [ 6 \| 6] Dual Light Pulse Laser II > [ 6 \| 6] Dual Light Pulse Laser II MED-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~ > [ 1 \| 32] Faint Warp Prohibitor I > [ 1 \| 22] Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I > [ 150 \| 50] Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive > [ 1 \| 40] 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I > [ 1 \| 40] 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I LOW-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~ > [ 500 \| 28] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I > [ 2 \| 30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II > [ 6 \| 6] Small Armor Repairer II > [ 1 \| 20] True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener > [ 1 \| 30] Damage Control II Slightly upgraded 1600mm Ishtar. Note the 2x Hypnos Multispecs can be any 2x Best Named EW (Balmer TD, Phased Muon Damp, BZ-5 Spatial Destabilizer). This is my lazy attempt to make an uber-signature, please go away!
rinkanu	Posted - 2007.01.29 19:38:00 - [17] what about carrying some damps ? with decent skills they really screw over those nanobs's and people take loads of time to lock yer drones .
Ione Hunt Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.29 19:52:00 - [18] Originally by: rinkanu what about carrying some damps ? with decent skills they really screw over those nanobs's and people take loads of time to lock yer drones . That's the cool thing about fitting a plate instead of dual reppers and an injector: You have enough space for 2 EW modules. 2 EW modules normally have a lot of influence on how the fight will end. Put 2 tracking disruptors on a Vaga orbitting you at 18k and he won't hit an elephant from 2m away _______________
Dracu1a Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:48:00 - [19] In regards to your concern about whether the high resists are enough to keep this relatively low hp ship alive, you have to consider something that many dont. HACs are so effective, tanking wise, because not only do you have high resists and high base HP than your t1 counterparts, but your signature radius plays a big role in your tanking ability. A ship with a cruiser sized sig radius with such high resists after you stack on hardeners is a pretty mean ship. So although having a plate can definitely help, its not always necessary. Ive actually got 2 setups, one of which doesnt use a plate. Plate setup: Hi: 2x Medium Diminishing Nos 3x T2 125mm Railgun Mid: 1x AB II 1x Fleeting Warp Scram (20km) 1x Fleeting Web 1x Hypnos Multispec 1x Balmer Tracking disruptor Low: 1x Faction Medium Armor Rep (TS, Dark Blood, or Shadow Serp) 1x Explosive Hardener II 2x True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano 1x 800mm Plate Pretty much replace T2 with faction where you can afford in order to get that extra CPU needed for your EW mods of choice. Its tight, but can be done. No-Plate: Hi: 3x Med Deminishing Nos 2x 125mm Railgun II Mid: 1x AB II 1x Fleeting Web 1x Fleeting Scram (20km) 1x Caldari Racial Jammer 1x Balmer Tracking Disruptor Low: 1x Medium Armor Rep (again, faction if you can) 1x Explosive Hardener 2x TS Energized Adaptive Nano's 1x Internal Force Field Array (or best named dmg control) Im pretty sure I could fit a MWD in this setup, tho i havent tried. I get better armor resists with this plus 58% to my structure. So even though there arent HUGE differences in the setups, its really dependant on preference. Ive preferred the second one lately just because i like the added agility. And as far as EW goes on the ship, its all personal preference. Very versatile ship.
C0wgirl Gallente Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:26:00 - [20] I like the look of both of those Dracu1a And thanks for the informative reply. I also like the look of eyeshadow's setup. I will try them out and see what I feel most comfortable with. Do you tend to have many cap issues with your setups Dracu1a? CG
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:14:00 - [21] Just a slight tip. Don't use ishtar for PvP. Either use the dominix with couple istabs (if you want faster aligning), as it will tank better, nos more and be a lot cheaper. Or train up for Eos CS and use that, since it provides even better tank and damage output. I've flown ishtar on my alt for a long time now, and I honestly have never been in a PvP situation where I could say that the ishtar would have been better than my domi. The only reason to use an ishtar, is for coolness factor, not for pvp efficiency really. As for setups, it's also possible to do single Mar II, 800mm setup, but I'd say with the current state of NOS, for pvp, the 1600mm plated ishtar would be my choice. If you want a dual rep boat, I'd rather take the myrmidon. N.F.F. Recruitment
Draugz Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:15:00 - [22] Originally by: Ione Hunt Originally by: rinkanu Put 2 tracking disruptors on a Vaga orbitting you at 18k and he won't hit an elephant from 2m away An elephant in size comparison to a Vagabond would be like a human in comparison with a housefly. I dont blame the vagabond for not hitting
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Ione Hunt ... Put 2 tracking disruptors on a Vaga orbitting you at 18k and he won't hit an elephant from 2m away Actually vaga operates in falloff, and the tracking is good enough, it can kill ishtar's drones with his own t2 lights, and if it does keep at range, it will still still hit even with 2 TD's on it (tested). N.F.F. Recruitment
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Ione Hunt ... Put 2 tracking disruptors on a Vaga orbitting you at 18k and he won't hit an elephant from 2m away Actually vaga operates in falloff, and the tracking is good enough, it can kill ishtar's drones with his own t2 lights, and if it does keep at range, it will still still hit even with 2 TD's on it (tested). Last Vaga who shot me with 2 tracking disruptors on him barely tickled my Ishtar. I'm sure it still hit once in a while, but not near enough to pose a real threat to a well tanked Ishtar. Not that I'd ever be able to catch a Vaga unless he's stupid and enters web range, but at least I can make him get bored and warp off after a while _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma!
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:32:00 - [25] well, in that case that vaga was stupid. If you do "keep at range" your transversal is close to 0. Your optimal is like 1km anyway. My vaga has 23km falloff. It's like saying "I killed a raven with my vagabond" (which i have), it just means the raven was a total idiot, not that vagabonds can kill ravens. N.F.F. Recruitment
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:53:00 - [26] Originally by: zwerg 2x Med 'Dim' Nos. 3x Light Neutron Blasters II. 1x Sensor Boost II. 1x Fleeting Web ( i use domination ) 1x 10mn Microwarpdrive II ( i use Shadow Serpentis ) 1x 20km Disruptor. 1x True Sansha Medium Cap Injector 2x Medium Armor Rep II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano II 1x Explosive Armor II 5x Ogre II 5x Valkyre II rest of drone maybe web, ecm blabla. /z my setup exactly. and yes the armour is a little thin so it's either 800 plate and 1 rep or twin rep. single rep without plate doesn't last too long tbh. web drones and simlilar aren't the best idea as drones are ur main dmg type. maybe put 5 medium ecm drones or something in case u are in trouble but that's all i can imagine being useful DE
Jarek Calvari Caldari Black Reign FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:53:00 - [27] This setup should fit.. even with some pg in spare: High: 2x T2 125mm 1x T2 75mm 2x Medium Diminishing Nos Medium: 1x Med Cap booster 2x X5 Web 1x 20km scrambler 1x Y-T8 Overcharged Mwd Low: 2x Medium 'Accomodation' repper 1x T2 RCU 1x T2 Armor Explosive Hardner 1x T2 Energized Adaptive Nano You could properly fit faction repper instead of the T1's... but this setup is pretty cheap.. :)
C0wgirl Gallente Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.30 14:23:00 - [28] Anyone here successfully hunts solo in 0.0 with these setups? That's the key thing Im looking for. If it isn't possible then fair enough, I'll have to revise my ship choice. :( CG
C0wgirl Gallente Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.30 15:44:00 - [29] Maybe now that rigs are around, they could compliment lacking areas of setup... I'll investigate soon. :) CG
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.30 15:54:00 - [30] Originally by: C0wgirl Anyone here successfully hunts solo in 0.0 with these setups? That's the key thing Im looking for. If it isn't possible then fair enough, I'll have to revise my ship choice. :( It is one of the best solo PVP ships available. Just watch Eyeshadow's and that Outbreak video. Having said that, the ship isn't really that fast (unless you fit nanos), so you will still die to the average blob. You can kill pretty much every NPC'er out there, and most other HACs. A group of smaller ships or 2-3 cruisers will just die unless they're clever. It's a very nice ship, be aware of its limitations though. Make some test runs against corp m8s before taking it out in 0.0 alone. PS: Check out the Eos _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma!
C0wgirl Gallente Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:08:00 - [31] Edited by: C0wgirl on 30/01/2007 16:06:16 Originally by: R'adeh It is one of the best solo PVP ships available. Just watch Eyeshadow's and that Outbreak video. I'll do a search for that one, thanks. Anyone have the link to hand? Originally by: R'adeh Having said that, the ship isn't really that fast (unless you fit nanos), so you will still die to the average blob. You can kill pretty much every NPC'er out there, and most other HACs. A group of smaller ships or 2-3 cruisers will just die unless they're clever. Not many small ships that could outdo a blog I guess, except Vaga. :( But you can't have everything I guess. Originally by: R'adeh It's a very nice ship, be aware of its limitations though. Make some test runs against corp m8s before taking it out in 0.0 alone. Originally by: R'adeh PS: Check out the Eos I will be doing as soon as I can. ;) hehe CG
Sku1ly STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:23:00 - [32] http://www.mercenarycoalition.com/main/videos/index_thn.asp?c=3 Can you Dig It and Spitfire video's have it in. PS Radeh sux. STK-S
C0wgirl Gallente Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:25:00 - [33] Thanks Skul1y, been turning these eve-o foums upside down trying to search for it! CG
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:53:00 - [34] Originally by: Sku1ly http://www.mercenarycoalition.com/main/videos/index_thn.asp?c=3 Can you Dig It and Spitfire video's have it in. PS Radeh sux. *R'adeh sends 5 T2 Berzerker disguised as strippers to Sku1ly @OP, with the Eos you don't have to worry about small "blobs", you can handle 2-3 BC just fine _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma!
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:09:00 - [35] I used to fit: 2x Med nos, 3x 150mm II AB, web, scram, 2x EW MAR II, TS explosive, TS EANM, IFFA, 800mm

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