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Anna CO
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Posted - 2007.01.29 19:29:00 -
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this is the patch note for the comming patch.
Tech2 components required for the production of the new scanner probes (Sift, Comb, Pursuit, Quest) have been removed. Mineral requirements have also been reduced and balanced accordingly.
why should exploration probes be easy to build and not other probes?
(snoop, snook, ferret etc)
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Halkin
Locus Solus
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Posted - 2007.01.29 20:06:00 -
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rofl, and i bought a ton of the needed stuff recently. oh well 
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Halstor
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Posted - 2007.01.29 21:38:00 -
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i checked out sisi to see this change, and the probes now require a handful of common minerals. I think only the multispectral requires 3 megacyte at most. avg build cost should go down to a few thousand isk per probe.
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Anna CO
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Posted - 2007.01.30 19:25:00 -
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but what i mean is... why is this only effecting exploration probes and not all probes like scan probes for scanning after ships.
or have they changed those BPO¦s also??
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2007.01.30 19:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Anna CO
but what i mean is... why is this only effecting exploration probes and not all probes like scan probes for scanning after ships.
or have they changed those BPO¦s also??
Because the technology required to scan ships is vastly different than the technology required to scan cosmic signatures.
Ship scanning probes still have the t2 parts requirements,
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Anna CO
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Posted - 2007.01.30 19:44:00 -
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thanks very mutch
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2007.01.30 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Anna CO
but what i mean is... why is this only effecting exploration probes and not all probes like scan probes for scanning after ships.
or have they changed those BPO¦s also??
Because the technology required to scan ships is vastly different than the technology required to scan cosmic signatures.
Ship scanning probes still have the t2 parts requirements,
Not unless they aren't listed, a quick peek shows ferret and snoop to both only require minerals and strontium, not a tech II component in sight.
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BCBArclight
Odessa Operations
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2007.01.31 15:43:00 -
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I dont know why the T2 items were taken out of the probes, they werent all that difficult to get hold of anyway.
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2007.01.31 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: BCBArclight
I dont know why the T2 items were taken out of the probes, they werent all that difficult to get hold of anyway.
I hope it was because you could simply pull out of thin air infiniote amounts of these components at competitive prices by buying a bunch of probes from concord and reprocessing them. Hell, they even compress the materials for you for ease of transport.
I keep saying, I'd be more than thrilled with having these in probes if concord had just ran out.
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FuzzBuzz
Caldari
Templars of Space
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.02.01 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
Originally by: BCBArclight
I dont know why the T2 items were taken out of the probes, they werent all that difficult to get hold of anyway.
I hope it was because you could simply pull out of thin air infiniote amounts of these components at competitive prices by buying a bunch of probes from concord and reprocessing them. Hell, they even compress the materials for you for ease of transport.
I keep saying, I'd be more than thrilled with having these in probes if concord had just ran out.
if you reprocessed snoops and whatnot then you would of lost isk by doing this, i worked out the cost if you refined them, and it was a loss
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.01 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: FuzzBuzz
Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
Originally by: BCBArclight
I dont know why the T2 items were taken out of the probes, they werent all that difficult to get hold of anyway.
I hope it was because you could simply pull out of thin air infiniote amounts of these components at competitive prices by buying a bunch of probes from concord and reprocessing them. Hell, they even compress the materials for you for ease of transport.
I keep saying, I'd be more than thrilled with having these in probes if concord had just ran out.
if you reprocessed snoops and whatnot then you would of lost isk by doing this, i worked out the cost if you refined them, and it was a loss
Possibly, for your calculations and costs. But it put an artificial price ceiling on the related goods, and in addition you have ot take into account the boon of being logistically easier to manage. No need to find a supplier, work the market, and even had some minerals and stront compressed for ease of transport.
Hell, my corp bought tons of them from concord to move out and reprocess to build exploration probes just due to the ease of use and compression rate.
It was just too easy. And when compared to the headache of running the POS to build these, unfair. I am still an advocate in putting these on the build requirements but not having them refine out. I'd love that for very selfish reasons.
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Gileas
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.02.01 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Anna CO
but what i mean is... why is this only effecting exploration probes and not all probes like scan probes for scanning after ships.
or have they changed those BPO¦s also??
Because the technology required to scan ships is vastly different than the technology required to scan cosmic signatures.
Ship scanning probes still have the t2 parts requirements,
This is such utter BS it's amazing. Just admit that it's a change with an agenda like your colleage has and stop trying to feed us BS.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2007.02.01 12:17:00 -
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Well exploration was a tad too expensive and timeconsuming. Personally this change was the worst one to change. Although I've made a TON of profit because of this.
There's 4 good ways they could have balanced it.
-Lower scantimes or lower the time it takes to train to get to lower scantimes.
-low costs of manufacturing them. *as they did*
-make the probes last a very long time.
The 4th is more complex but I'll explain it. Say you've found a place and you can't use sift probes. You could scan a bunch of times and arrive at a few spots all 5,000-50,000m away. Then you have this other device which calculates a probable position to extremly accurate to find the position.
Personally I like the 4th option.
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FuzzBuzz
Caldari
Templars of Space
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.02.01 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
Originally by: FuzzBuzz
Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
Originally by: BCBArclight
I dont know why the T2 items were taken out of the probes, they werent all that difficult to get hold of anyway.
I hope it was because you could simply pull out of thin air infiniote amounts of these components at competitive prices by buying a bunch of probes from concord and reprocessing them. Hell, they even compress the materials for you for ease of transport.
I keep saying, I'd be more than thrilled with having these in probes if concord had just ran out.
if you reprocessed snoops and whatnot then you would of lost isk by doing this, i worked out the cost if you refined them, and it was a loss
Possibly, for your calculations and costs. But it put an artificial price ceiling on the related goods, and in addition you have ot take into account the boon of being logistically easier to manage. No need to find a supplier, work the market, and even had some minerals and stront compressed for ease of transport.
Hell, my corp bought tons of them from concord to move out and reprocess to build exploration probes just due to the ease of use and compression rate.
It was just too easy. And when compared to the headache of running the POS to build these, unfair. I am still an advocate in putting these on the build requirements but not having them refine out. I'd love that for very selfish reasons.
if you dont have a station, and ice near by then this would of be a excellent way to get stront, but we had both near by. plus people was selling stront for 2000-3500 alot cheaper than empire
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