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CCP Abraxas	Posted - 2007.01.29 20:06:00 - [1] New chronicle is located here. I should warn you that it is quite brutal, and not suited for minors. A more detailed description of the chronicle can be found in the Information Portal thread.

Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2007.01.29 20:11:00 - [2] Ooooh, ouch this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.29 20:42:00 - [3] Vicious! forum rules \| [email protected]

Falcione Mortis Angelus Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.29 20:54:00 - [4] Well done storywise. Engaging, and almost slightly emotional. I didn't like it. Mostly because I didn't see the main point. They made an example out of him. To what end? Who did he tick off? Little details would have helped IMHO. All in all, pretty decent. Waiting for Caldari :) ----------- My Bio in Progress Prologue / CH.1
Marine HK4861 Caldari Seoltachd	Posted - 2007.01.29 21:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Falcione They made an example out of him. To what end? Who did he tick off? Little details would have helped IMHO. It's stated towards the end of the story: Originally by: Carlos "Tomorrow, someone is going to find your corpse. In that alleyway where we caught you, looking all pretty like you do now. And word's going to spread. And we'll have a lot less trouble with the other thieves and druggies in the area. We'll be able to do our business without the annoyance of people like you. What their business is and how 'thieves and druggies' would interfer in it, is beyond the purpose of the story, but just highlights how cheaply they view suffering.
Rick Thwaites Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.29 21:05:00 - [6] 'Brilliant'ly written. Superb as always. = )! I enjoyed how you treated the 'hammer' and 'chisel' (pliers and the like also included), like they were foreign objects, gives us a sense of an advanced time where such things are no longer household objects. Amazing, grats Abraxas. -- Max sig dimensions are 400W x 120H - Cathath ([email protected]) Purple matches your eyes a little better, Cathath. = )! Not the first time I have been told I am too big...
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:04:00 - [7] I didn't like it, but that is not to say it was not good, just too chilling for my liking. Good stuff anyway. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
Pharos Dei Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:08:00 - [8] Edited by: Pharos Dei on 29/01/2007 22:05:01 dark, vicious and very plastic... examlary, wouldnt have expected the frenchies to be so cruel, ty for that! However with this being the best torture story sofar i can only imagine the horrors comming up with the Caldari, please ccp... make me have cold shivers with the caldari!!!
Falcione Mortis Angelus Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Marine HK4861 Originally by: Falcione They made an example out of him. To what end? Who did he tick off? Little details would have helped IMHO. It's stated towards the end of the story: Originally by: Carlos "Tomorrow, someone is going to find your corpse. In that alleyway where we caught you, looking all pretty like you do now. And word's going to spread. And we'll have a lot less trouble with the other thieves and druggies in the area. We'll be able to do our business without the annoyance of people like you. What their business is and how 'thieves and druggies' would interfer in it, is beyond the purpose of the story, but just highlights how cheaply they view suffering. That was kinda my issue with it. "Someone" would find his corpse. Who? What? Why should we care? What is the purpose of the story beyond person A tortures person B? That's all well and good, but events without details attached can be likened to food without nutrition. Filling for the mind, but still empty. ----------- My Bio in Progress Prologue / CH.1
Preliator Caldari The Wolves' Pack	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:26:00 - [10] Edited by: Preliator on 29/01/2007 22:22:59 Great! Very chilling


CCP Abraxas	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Rick Thwaites I enjoyed how you treated the 'hammer' and 'chisel' (pliers and the like also included) I did some research for this story, including visits to various torture museums. In one of them, they had on display an actual hammer and chisel that were used for this exact kind of torture, their surfaces stained with rust and blood. The memory of those tools, and of the other things I saw, is going to stay with me for a while, let me tell you. Originally by: Pharos Dei However with this being the best torture story sofar i can only imagine the horrors comming up with the Caldari, please ccp... make me have cold shivers with the caldari!!! As I mentioned elsewhere, the Caldari story will be even bleaker, in its twisted little way. This one was a "I can't believe he did that", wheres the Caldari piece is more "WTF did he just do?" It'll be very cerebral. The Caldari story is one of my favourite pieces, ever. It is as understated as the Gallente one was explicit. Originally by: Falcione That was kinda my issue with it. "Someone" would find his corpse. Who? What? Why should we care? What is the purpose of the story beyond person A tortures person B? That's all well and good, but events without details attached can be likened to food without nutrition. Filling for the mind, but still empty. It's perfectly fine if you don't like it; this isn't exactly a piece that everyone will warm to. Still, I think the answers to your questions can be found in the story. Sebastian defied these people (or their backers), and they can't have a rogue element like him mucking up their business. So they catch him, put his body through the meat grinder, then leave him to be found. It doesn't matter whether he's discovered by the cops, by regular passersby, by vagrants or by other people on his ilk; in this kind of neighbourhood word will get out to everyone in the area that he was found and what state he was in. Once that happens, everyone will know that it doesn't pay to mess with the local crime bosses. They are torturing him out of their own enjoyment, of course - that's what these people do - but they also have to take it this far so that what remains of him will be frightening enough to have an effect. Hence their inventiveness. You could argue that even their questions had a purpose, because if he realized that they merely meant to kill him, he might lose all hope and through that all will to live. As for the purpose of this story, it is to reflect on torture, and through it, on the occasional hopelessness of human endeavours. Sometimes things don't work out, no matter how hard we wish them to, and sometimes hope is not the candle in the darkness but merely the fading glow of its extinguished wick.

Nachshon Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:58:00 - [12] Can we have a fifth one for the Jovians? Pleeeeeeeeeeease? __________________________________________ What I say should not be taken as the position of Gradient or NMTZ.
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.01.30 00:02:00 - [13] 10/10 I can hardly wait to see what will come when you turn your eyes to the Sani Sabik cults, Abraxas. shivers Great work!
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:41:00 - [14] That was a very subtle piece of work by CCP Abraxas really. The net conclusion of that story was, really, the Gallente don't torture people. In both the cases of the Amarr and the Minmatar, the implication was the torture was government sponsored - in the case of the Amarr as a method of dissuading infiltrators, in the case of the Minmatar the argument is to prevent what happened to the Minmatar from ever happening again. But the Gallente? In the Gallente their's no understanding of their task, no official sanction lurking in the background. It's not a house the government has scrubbed the facility, or an exercise in genetic engineering to produce hellish nightmares - it's a bunch of hired thugs sending a message from Big Vinnie or whoever the local drug baron is to his competitors. It's ordinary criminal behavior - horrific, but it's not government sanctioned. It's part of the usual cycle of crime which accompanies any democratic civilized society - it's very much like the flaws of our own world. The message is, the Gallente are still the civilized ones in the world. The Gallente government doesn't torture people. They don't do that. (you might note I'm saying it a lot like the US government says it)
Ceanthar Cerbera Minmatar Lone Gunmen Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:54:00 - [15] Cant say I liked it. Well written and all but it didnt go anywhere. Its just a show of macabre meatshop tools. Like you went to the museum and did your homework and wanted to show what youve learned. Much like a sci-fi flick where the director went mad with special effects and lost the story. I also find it odd that the poeple of the future some 100 000 years ahead will use rusted spikes for these things. Im hoping for some more stories evolving and expanding the backstory of eve. How do the emperor justify slavery? How is a new ship developed and produced? Whats the colonies like on moons/planets? What are the psychical stress like on the pod-pilot when he looses a ship and several thousands of shipcrew dies while he wakes up in a new clone? Yeah what is it like being a pod pilot knowing that as long as you stay in your pod you cannot die? They are supposed to be threated as heroes, very advanced people in a extremely high position in the society. How do they affect politics, how do politics affect them? ----------------------------------------- For the liberation and safety of the Matari people!
Karunel Princeps Corp	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:37:00 - [16] Frankly while I like having new POTWs to read and they're well written they're all violent and gory. I don't have a problem with that but I'd prefer more variety. This last one seemed specially pointless as the "final reason" seemed an excuse to tell us how terrible mutilated the guy gets. Meh, tbh. Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Maze La'Zie Caldari Technology La'Zie	Posted - 2007.01.30 14:27:00 - [17] Quite disturbing. I didn't enjoy it but I'm sure it's one of those stories that you remember small details from for a long time. Well done. ___________________ Chief Scientific Officer Technology La'Zie Author of The End
Marine HK4861 Caldari Seoltachd	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:26:00 - [18] Originally by: CCP Abraxas Originally by: Rick Thwaites I enjoyed how you treated the 'hammer' and 'chisel' (pliers and the like also included) I did some research for this story, including visits to various torture museums. In one of them, they had on display an actual hammer and chisel that were used for this exact kind of torture, their surfaces stained with rust and blood. The memory of those tools, and of the other things I saw, is going to stay with me for a while, let me tell you. You do know that people have progressed since then. These days they use power tools instead - for example the various Provos (loyalist paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland) supposedly used to take a power drill to the back of the knee (and out through the kneecap) of any drug dealers they caught.
Snikkt Gallente Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.01 00:31:00 - [19] Very dark. I loved the small sections of dialogue. Very well done. I've showed this to a few non-EVE playing friends and they liked it. ------------------- My opinions (ie, all of my posting here) are not my corporations. Nor should it be taken as such.
Quakefire	Posted - 2007.02.01 07:10:00 - [20] Well I have said it before in these forums, and I will probably say it again, Abraxas there is something miswired in that head of yours. One of my favorite authors, Tess Gerritsen, captures my fancy the same way Abraxas does. With chilling detachment as the most gruesome scenes are described in detail. Way to go! http://www.teslapowered.com/Images/evebanner.jpg Sig Linked. Please resize the image to within the 24,000 byte limit. E-mail us with any questions. -ReverendM ([email protected]


CCP Abraxas	Posted - 2007.02.02 13:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Revan Neferis I can hardly wait to see what will come when you turn your eyes to the Sani Sabik cults, Abraxas. It won't be for a very long time yet, but I have definite plans for them. Not horror, though, which would be way too easy, but more of a social critique. Originally by: Karunel Frankly while I like having new POTWs to read and they're well written they're all violent and gory. No, they're not. Originally by: Marine HK4861 These days they use power tools instead - for example the various Provos (loyalist paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland) supposedly used to take a power drill to the back of the knee (and out through the kneecap) of any drug dealers they caught. It's the reverse situation here in Iceland. The drug dealers themselves send their enforcers to drill the kneecaps of anyone who defaults on payments. I have this faint hope that I'll be able to convince the people responsible for Walking in Stations to include that sort of functionality. You know ... /smile, /wave, /nod, /mutilate.

Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.02.04 15:40:00 - [22] Very disappointing, sorry to say so. The story is just brutal and that even not well. I can't see anything else there. And I don't think that EVE needs such stories either. We can see it (more or less) every day outside in the real world. And then the Gallente... a technological very advanced race using ... knife? nail? crushing bones (and what not all)? Sorry, that is hard to believe. I have through they would strap the victim to a chair in an empty room and then they use some nice tool called mindsweeper. A sort of brain activity stimulator, just to stimulate the pain center of the brain. The scanner would be of course selfadjusting to the change in the neural activity, so causing always the maximum of discomfort, so to say. Other devices also, drugs which cause nasty nightmares in precise quantities and qualities and so on. But knives? And of course the whole story would make some sense, not just 'to set an example'. I don't think that this is (or should be) the Way of the Gallente.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:13:00 - [23] I think a lot of people have missed the point that the story as presented isn't an expression of this being "the way of the Gallente" and that was the subtle point it was making (I think).
Desiderious Gallente Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 05:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Gnulpie And then the Gallente... a technological very advanced race using ... knife? nail? crushing bones (and what not all)? Sorry, that is hard to believe. Sometimes the best torment is one with simple things. You don't need to get all high tech. With this specific story you don't need to worry about bodily harm. Since you need to make the body look the worst as possible, direct physical, low tech, ways are the best to suit this. Honestly most high tech methods of torture are rather... Clean...Notice the Amarr one. Even though their torture might be equally horrible, the body itself wont be as badly mangled as this one. ----------------------------- Oink ^OO^ Your sig is too large. Please resize it so that it fits within 400x120. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
BloodBird Gallente Curator Vis	Posted - 2007.02.06 07:28:00 - [25] Okay, first of all... you are one disturbed individual, Abraxas. That you actually visited a torture museum didn't help much Secondly, while the story in itself was chilly, and rather... more messy than I would have thought, it failed to please something I wanted to to know. (however weird that is considering it's called 'Metods of turture' ) "How do the Gallente federation government exttract info from their captives?" It was just some crime boss, using low-tech metods to punish, and make an example of, some poor guy making one BAD move. Criminals, not the govenment. In the Amarr and Minmatar stories, we saw how the two diffrent factions gain info from, or dispose of undesired elements, like spies(Amarr) or anyone resisting their rebellion agains the Amarr. In the case of the Amarr, it was prob. just cruel, in the case of the Minmatar it was equally cruel, but it served a needed, though unwanted purpose. But in the end... this one did not answer how the Federation goes about getting what intel they need from, say, spies, POW's or whatever. I visualied some story from the Gallente-Caldari war, some captured pilot being questioned or what... not this. Exelent story though, (8/10) just not really hat I looked for. (Though that's just my oppinion.) Wish I have a better sig than this
Sebastian Draconis Caldari General Miners	Posted - 2007.02.11 17:28:00 - [26] Couldn't you have given the guy a different name?

CCP Abraxas	Posted - 2007.02.12 13:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Gnulpie I have thought they would strap the victim to a chair in an empty room and then they use some nice tool called mindsweeper. A sort of brain activity stimulator, just to stimulate the pain center of the brain. There are situations where high-tech gadgetry is called for, and situations where it isn't. In this case, using such gadgetry would have decreased the story's impact. Most people would have a hard time imagining the pain caused by a device that stimulates the brain's pain centers, but everybody understands The Nail. The Caldari story, on the other hand, takes a different tact, and goes the high-tech route. Originally by: BloodBird But in the end... this one did not answer how the Federation goes about getting what intel they need from, say, spies, POW's or whatever. This story, and the Caldari one that will follow shortly, presents torture as a tool for controlling the masses, not for extracting intel. I personally think that when it comes to acquiring information, torture is next to worthless. Hurt someone bad enough and his veracity goes right out the window; he will tell you what he thinks you want to hear. Originally by: BloodBird Criminals, not the govenment. Says who?


CCP Abraxas	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:10:00 - [28] Due to technical issues, the Caldari chronicle may not be up until tomorrow. You'll get an extra super special bonus with it, though.

BloodBird Gallente Curator Vis	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:18:00 - [29] Originally by: CCP Abraxas Due to technical issues, the Caldari chronicle may not be up until tomorrow. You'll get an extra super special bonus with it, though. An "extra super special bonus" conserning a torture tale? a man, not sure I want to read this one, it's the Caldari after all, everyone's favorite high tech militant non-Caldari haters I wonder if you'r going to make any stories for the Blood raiders, th Serpentis, the Guristas, etch. Or maybe the Khanids, and, dare I say, the Jove? That one must me scary indeed... Wish I have a better sig than this
Dunpeal Caldari M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.13 14:18:00 - [30] that is something i would kill for, some stories about the blood raider's!! when is that coming? http://draken.com.sapo.pt/Backstory.htm



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