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EXZODIER The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:49:00 - [1] Edited by: EXZODIER on 30/01/2007 06:52:22 TSDS PRESS RELEASE Today The SUdden Death Squad announces its major plan to the world After much speculation by many people and much information being fed and misfed to different people We are please to Announce that the alliance is disbanding. after gathering our resources in one location The Short Bus Squad (TSBS) has made an offer to all alliance members to join them, it is expected that a portion of these players will take them up on this offer but there will also be those that donÆt The Sudden Death Squad would like to thank all its members past and present and those who have fraught alongside or against us, you have made the game fun and enjoyable for most and it is a shame to see those who are not joining us go We would like to announce that although some people may say different this has been a planed action for some time and we have just been looking for the right time to put it into action, with our recent relocation we thought the time was now and will be moving on to the next stage of our plan shortly Hope you all enjoyed reading Please donÆt post unless you have something that means something to say EXZODIER Disinformation supervisor HMMMMMMMM the end ? i think not Oh noes its the end - Xorus hmmmmmmmm silly people add stuff to s
nickycakes Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:54:00 - [2] so is the next stage to reform the alliance after correcting the caps error? Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
EXZODIER The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:57:00 - [3] Edited by: EXZODIER on 30/01/2007 06:53:53 Originally by: nickycakes so is the next stage to reform the alliance after correcting the caps error? it was intentional to show how much of a good group of bus riders we are :-) thats our story and were sticking to it HMMMMMMMM the end ? i think not Oh noes its the end - Xorus hmmmmmmmm silly people add stuff to s
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:07:00 - [4] Stay in stain can?
INZi coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:39:00 - [5] gl hf short bussers! see ya around
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:06:00 - [6] We had some good times while in your alliance. Good luck to you guys in the future. I am a little surprised though if I'm being honest. I didn't realize it was planned to breakup, and I'm definitely glad we didn't follow you guys to the new regions if that's the case. I must remember to trust my gut instinct more often....
Betty Rubble Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:09:00 - [7] BOOO! Less targets to shoot :( Have fun!
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Betty Rubble BOOO! Less targets to shoot :( Have fun! I know it's not much consolation, but you can still shoot us if you want
Groot Piel Toys R Us	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:41:00 - [9] Gl Short bus -
Man1ac Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Helganstandt Originally by: Betty Rubble BOOO! Less targets to shoot :( Have fun! I know it's not much consolation, but you can still shoot us if you want Mmmmm.... Do you have more carriers?

Myadra Amarr Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:54:00 - [11] Good luck , Short bus people... hope the future holds alot of fun . BL-IN site awaiting new sig ..
aggro Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:17:00 - [12] we had some good fights with you guys. finally your losses and the many cap ship losses have taken there toll it seems. wont go into details but come to our kill board to see thanks again guys for the fights. we need some new fresh meat to roast now Where there is trouble you will always find AGGRO
Starblizz Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:36:00 - [13] gf and gl wtb targets that like losing carriers.
Zrevak Ashek The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:46:00 - [14] Lets see if we can't sum up THE PLAN: Short Bus establish an alliance for the sole purpous of disbanding it once it reaches 1000+ members. By that time, its member corps will have seen how uber Short Bus is compared to them. This way, theres a good chance a large proportion of the alliance members not in short bus will end up joining it in order to remain on good terms. So, provided Short Bus becomes a megacorp having assimilated a good proportion of the TSDS member corps, they will proceed to move down to Mista and declare yet another war on the CVA. Am I right or am I right?? (ps! Could also be you move to great wildlands to join Curse Alliance?) ..anyways! good luck and hf whatever u do
clone 1 Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:54:00 - [15] OMG, what am I gona do now about my tattoo . D to a B maybe. lol j/k But seriously, its been great fun, but times change and you got to know when to call a day a day. Pretty excited as to what tomorrow will bring. Nice post Ex, remarkable few if any spelling errors, I am impressed. Always Moaning About Race Retardations
clone 1 Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:01:00 - [16] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Lets see if we can't sum up THE PLAN: Short Bus establish an alliance for the sole purpous of disbanding it once it reaches 1000+ members. By that time, its member corps will have seen how uber Short Bus is compared to them. This way, theres a good chance a large proportion of the alliance members not in short bus will end up joining it in order to remain on good terms. Am I right or am I right?? Lol not quite. Try again. Always Moaning About Race Retardations
Voltron Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:25:00 - [17] NO!!!! DON'T LEAVE ME!!!! Seriously though GL and all that jazz etc etc. Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:51:00 - [18] This decision makes the CVA very sad. TSDS were always fun to fight ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Sionn Klorgh Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:58:00 - [19] Good luck
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:11:00 - [20] Originally by: clone 1 Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Lets see if we can't sum up THE PLAN: Short Bus establish an alliance for the sole purpous of disbanding it once it reaches 1000+ members. By that time, its member corps will have seen how uber Short Bus is compared to them. This way, theres a good chance a large proportion of the alliance members not in short bus will end up joining it in order to remain on good terms. Am I right or am I right?? Lol not quite. Try again. Off to the new regions to buddy up with Ka-Tet and X-PACT to shoot FATAL then? Originally by: Ice Conch In soviet russia, soap drops you!

Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:06:00 - [21] Originally by: nickycakes so is the next stage to reform the alliance after correcting the caps error? I always wondered why the capitol U
xCERBERUS2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:15:00 - [22] So whats happening with the 7 Carriers you moved though LXQ2-T the other night?
John MacCoy Amarr Arcana Imperii Ltd. Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:51:00 - [23] Good luck with the future guys. -------------------- John MacCoy Arcana Imperii Ltd. Sani Khal'Vecna Spokesman "Those who are prideful and refuse to bow down shall be laid low and made unto dust."
Ron Simon Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.30 14:12:00 - [24] I'm really gonna miss you guys! I got my first pvp kill agianst you!
groove Gallente Amarria Auxilia	Posted - 2007.01.30 14:48:00 - [25] Hmm ... i wont say im suprised but GL And Amax will go where you. So we can play a little game that we all love so much.
Ren Surkova FM Corp	Posted - 2007.01.30 15:08:00 - [26] I'm suprised so many people don't believe that TSDS had this planned. I mean no alliance gets so small so fast without meticulous planning. Also I'm sorry Exzodier, all this time I thought you were a genuine moron, but it turns out you were just putting on an act to get rid of some of us dead-weight. Best of luck.
Ghargon The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.30 15:47:00 - [27] Had great fun fighting you guys in stain. And to be perfectly honest this is probably the best thing you could have done to make yourselves more effective. Gl till we next get to shoot at ya I never think of the future - It comes soon enough
Masta Killa BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:08:00 - [28] <3
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:16:00 - [29] Originally by: Ren Surkova I'm suprised so many people don't believe that TSDS had this planned. I mean no alliance gets so small so fast without meticulous planning. Also I'm sorry Exzodier, all this time I thought you were a genuine moron, but it turns out you were just putting on an act to get rid of some of us dead-weight. Best of luck. roflcoptor
Flotwell Amarria Auxilia	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:18:00 - [30] All lies!!!! But anyways we will find you TSBS! and then we kill you all! AMARR VICTOR!! RUSSO VICTOR!! -XL POD FOR 2nd LARGE PERISONALLITY-

Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:22:00 - [31] Ah AMAX - crazy as ever... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Ryan 3c051 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:30:00 - [32] Gl and have fun in whatever you guys end up doing.
Russo Amarria Auxilia	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:59:00 - [33] Well wasnt that fast. Dont worry though. AMAX loves you enough to continue hunting you for all time, even with a smaller alliance roster. I can tell you why there is a huge membership drop. Its because the alliance is led by a scheming selfish, dictator, who gets his own peoples carriers swatted like flies, and has very little command ability other than *****ing and yelling. The reality is that the alliance is run by two selfish people who only seek their own glory and wealth. Borntokill and Exzodier. And I am gonna come for you one day. And hell is coming with me. Russo - CEO Amarria Auxilia XL pod for an XL personality
Kam SingDu'k Singularity. The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:38:00 - [34] Good luck TSDS, Stain will never be as safe without you guys Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia (mods@ccpgames)
Trapted	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:47:00 - [35] Edited by: Trapted on 30/01/2007 17:43:06
Bilb Caldari Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:47:00 - [36] Good luck exzo and co. Exzo you still owe this char a new bestower!
Nobler Caldari Messerschmitt Shipyards Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:18:00 - [37] Edited by: Nobler on 30/01/2007 18:24:13 Oh how do I respond to this thread. I feel like I have so much to do with this! TSDS had a home, where all of it's resources where located. TSDS had a very good industrial backbone and had become a self sustaining entity. Unfortunately the leader(s) got bored and just wanted to go blow something up. We all know the real reason-- the leader(s) wanted a mothership. And this is what it's all about. TSBS/TSDS is what a select few group of people want, with no regards to what anyone else wants. If TSBS can loose six carriers in one op, I wonder how long it will take them to loose a mothership or two. Remember those things can't be insured. I do feel like my Alliance mail was taken to heart by a lot of CEOs in the corps in the Alliance. After the chaos really started to spread everyone saw what was going on, and they knew it was time to get out before they lost all their isk, ships, and mods. Granted it's worth loosing ships and mods, if you accomplish something other than biomassing to empire to rebuild. I guess now I will only be the target of a corporation instead of a whole alliance. Best of luck TSBS, we had fun while we rolled with you, but the insanity just got to insane for us to stay. Good Luck and high scores. Regards, Nobler Disclaimer-Since I'm in IAC now, this message does not in anyway shape or form reflect the views of the I.A.C Alliance, or my Corporation. These views and opinons are mine.
clone 1 Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:01:00 - [38] It's actually quite funny, no matter what you do there are always detractors, if we stay in stain, you get people saying why dont you try and claim sovereignty, and if you want to try something new and go for an adventure, especially up north as I have never been up north, you get the naysayers saying we have a perfectly good home in stain. You cannot please all the people all the time. As for the truth, a scandal is more easily believed than the truth, so why bother. As for Amax, I would prefer to play for wealth and glory than spite and hate any day. Best of luck in your future endeavors. Always Moaning About Race Retardations
Nobler Caldari Messerschmitt Shipyards Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:24:00 - [39] Originally by: clone 1 It's actually quite funny, no matter what you do there are always detractors, if we stay in stain, you get people saying why dont you try and claim sovereignty, and if you want to try something new and go for an adventure, especially up north as I have never been up north, you get the naysayers saying we have a perfectly good home in stain. You cannot please all the people all the time. As for the truth, a scandal is more easily believed than the truth, so why bother. As for Amax, I would prefer to play for wealth and glory than spite and hate any day. Best of luck in your future endeavors. Make everyone happy? For the most part everyone was happy till a FEW people got a big YARR bone and decided to FORCE 1300 people to go with them... No scandal here. This is what happens when you dissolve the alliance council and turn the alliance into a dictatorship overnight. Disclaimer--These are my views and opinions, not IAC's or MSYDS.
parthon The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:52:00 - [40] Originally by: Nobler Make everyone happy? For the most part everyone was happy till a FEW people got a big YARR bone and decided to FORCE 1300 people to go with them... No scandal here. This is what happens when you dissolve the alliance council and turn the alliance into a dictatorship overnight. Disclaimer--These are my views and opinions, not IAC's or MSYDS. The hardest thing to learn in life is which bridge to cross and which bridge to burn.............so choose carefully, Oh....! you have chosen to stay in hiding that is fine with us one less Noob for us to feed.. The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving. DisclaimerùNOT as this is a free corporation and we stand together

Sir Kad Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:59:00 - [41] Guess this explains why I saw so moany of you in Konora/N-R last night... GL
EXZODIER The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.30 21:29:00 - [42] ItÆs nice to see so many people taking an interest in what we are doing- but it is a shame to see that all the people we kicked from the alliance before we moved crying These people didnÆt want to listen to anything that was said and pretty much never joined in on ops and pretty much never did anything for the alliance anyway As for all this being for the benefit of 1 or 2 people its not, this action was decided on after much discussion by the senior members of TSBS and as TSBS created the alliance we decided that we were going to be the last people in it. It has been decided that it is best to move on from the 0.0 region of stain and find a better place to live and as for losing ships and information on kill boards people need to relies that you donÆt real lose anything in eve as long as u have the isk to replace it and have fun losing it, IT DOSENT MATTER HMMMMMMMM the end ? i think not Oh noes its the end - Xorus hmmmmmmmm silly people add stuff to s
Rodney Caston Messerschmitt Shipyards Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.30 21:40:00 - [43] Edited by: Rodney Caston on 30/01/2007 21:40:11 Originally by: EXZODIER IT DOSENT MATTER You almost made it an entire post without using CAPS there, better luck next time.
Cyrus Ageis Messerschmitt Shipyards Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.30 23:07:00 - [44] I'm not going to comment on previous internal politics of TSDS, or what happened, or why. TSDS is dead. Stop kicking it and let it lie. There are a couple of pilots who earned my respect in TSDS while I was in it. I'd like to wish them well: CarnalPleasure - You are the wisest man in TSDS. Period. I learned a great deal from you in the OP's, and have nothing but respect for you. Good luck. KingPeach - NEVER a dull moment on comms. Always a good time. I hope you do well also. To the rest of the bus.... meh. Have fun where ever you end up.
traderjane	Posted - 2007.01.31 00:03:00 - [45] Originally by: EXZODIER ItÆs nice to see so many people taking an interest in what we are doing- but it is a shame to see that all the people we kicked from the alliance before we moved crying These people didnÆt want to listen to anything that was said and pretty much never joined in on ops and pretty much never did anything for the alliance anyway As for all this being for the benefit of 1 or 2 people its not, this action was decided on after much discussion by the senior members of TSBS and as TSBS created the alliance we decided that we were going to be the last people in it. It has been decided that it is best to move on from the 0.0 region of stain and find a better place to live and as for losing ships and information on kill boards people need to relies that you donÆt real lose anything in eve as long as u have the isk to replace it and have fun losing it, IT DOSENT MATTER 1) Yes DoF were kicked, apparently for talking to someone else that had been kicked. Seems fair! 2) The reason some of us never went on ops is because there was no confidence in the leadership, rightly so, we kept getting killed with crappy fc'ing. 3) Its right that TSBS should be the only ones left, they were obviously the only ones that mattered in the first place. Why have lots of corps in your alliance if you dont take any of them into account? Everybody knows what happened, theres no point lying. TSDS became a dictorship, BTK got control. But oh no, BTK couldnt control all the other corps as they had CEOs. So you get rid of all the other corps, and therfore CEOs, and make one megacorp with one CEO, BTK, who can have all the control he likes. Sounds like a great idea! Or so it would seem.
gozetec2002 Caldari Messerschmitt Shipyards Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.31 00:25:00 - [46] Wow. Its amazing what a week can do. I love the dynamics of eve. To TSDS: Sorry things didn't work out as planned I would have liked them to prove me and my corp wrong on my assumptions. People assumed we didnt fight or pull our own weight but in truth we got in every op that we could. Even through real life problems i always found time to either get a small gank squad together and take them into neighboring regions or follow the competent fleet comanders into battle. It seemed toward the end there getting a 50 man fleet together was easily done and i was pretty impressed on how much the alliance was growing. I would have liked to be able to accompany TSDS to the north but every CEO has to do what is best for their corp. I fought along side BTK and Carnal and all these guys for nearly two years and they are a good group of guys who simply couldnt accept a mediocre existance and that is something to be commended and not reprimanded. Even though i am not the best PVPer i would always give up my ship to save another and for that it got me in the top 10 pilots for losses but it was all in good fun. Good luck TSBS go kick some ass and hope to see you do well. to TSDS, was alot of fun fighting along side you guys. with best reguards, gozetec2002 CEO Messerschmitt Shipyards My views are soley mine and not IAC's
Russo Amarria Auxilia Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 02:41:00 - [47] "These people didnÆt want to listen to anything that was said and pretty much never joined in on ops and pretty much never did anything for the alliance anyway" Yes, after losing ships due to incompetent fleet commanders, I did not partake in any ops. Notice that the most amazing TSDS op in recent memory was led by ME and we lost 4 or 5 ships, and scored 52 kills, in 1 minute flat. 27 ships, 25 pods. It was the leadership that could not accept criticism, grow, learn from mistakes, and continually got their pilots raped. And who are you to talk EX? You VERY VERY RARELY ever went on an op, and the last time we were on an op together you got me killed for NOTHING because of stupidity. You should just quit eve, honestly, you ruin the fun for everyone else, besides your co conspirators like BTK. And someone made the comment that AMAX plays for spite and hate....we play for fun. And killing you will be fun. Russo - CEO Amarria Auxilia XL pod for an XL personality
Loyal Servant Caldari Cornhole Inc. The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.31 05:33:00 - [48] Originally by: Russo "These people didnÆt want to listen to anything that was said and pretty much never joined in on ops and pretty much never did anything for the alliance anyway" Yes, after losing ships due to incompetent fleet commanders, I did not partake in any ops. Notice that the most amazing TSDS op in recent memory was led by ME and we lost 4 or 5 ships, and scored 52 kills, in 1 minute flat. 27 ships, 25 pods. It was the leadership that could not accept criticism, grow, learn from mistakes, and continually got their pilots raped. And who are you to talk EX? You VERY VERY RARELY ever went on an op, and the last time we were on an op together you got me killed for NOTHING because of stupidity. You should just quit eve, honestly, you ruin the fun for everyone else, besides your co conspirators like BTK. And someone made the comment that AMAX plays for spite and hate....we play for fun. And killing you will be fun. Where were you when we had fleets? God russo, a jackass to the end, and STILL wants to hunt us. Get over it, you were dead weight and got booted :) Cornhole, Inc. - Cornholeing eve one system at a time. Member, The Sudden Death Squad [TSDS]
LordMordred The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:19:00 - [49] I will try my best to put some light onto the event that Mr. Russo is taking about. I will attempt to do so with out dragging anyone in the mud with the exception of Mr. Russo whom has brought this upon himself. During one of our battles with AAA after many successes in a row, we tried to one up the engagement and attack a AAA friendly POS (or perhaps a AAA POS itself, not 100% sure as to the events of this day.) The battle occured while I was not online, so this is really third hand accounts taken from mutliple sources that all said the same thing. These event's took place about 3 weeks to a month ago: During the fighting a AAA gate camp that appeared to be about 20 ships according to the scout was camping the system. The escort ships jumped in and there was more AAA than there was at first. The fleet commander whom was in a capital ship decided to jump in 3 of the fleets carriers (while leaving some of the carriers and all of the dreads behind for safety) for support (TSDS has a history of not being afraid to throw it's capitals into the line of fire. And before someone from Black Lance flames, no they did not always sit in dock range of the station.) Quickly the number of AAA in local jumped then to about 60-70. The cyno pilot had reported favorible conditions to jump the fleet in. TFC Grimwell who was leading this operation made what would seem like a good call. However the number of losses to the support fleet had not been fully determined. Needless to say, the three carriers fought back to and managed to take a respectible number of ships with them to the grave, but lost. 3 carriers downed, and to be honest with the size of our pocket book, no big deal. At least to the other 2 pilots. The fleet commander of the day, TFC Grimwell, then payed each of the 3 carrier pilots 1 billion ISK each for his call.(TFC Grimwell is no longer part of us and is considered hostile. I am sure however he considers Russo hotile. Basically the only thing keeping the rest of the alliance from blowing the crap out of Russo was Short Bus CEO "BorntoKill") Well Russo went into hiding after these events and to go pout in a corner somewhere. Regardless of the fact he could easily afford this loss alone... and with out a doubt with the billion ISK he was paid. Basically Russo, was to butt hurt to fight after this. Grimwell made every effort to acknowledge he made a bad call on poor intellegence, while AAA intellegence on the situation was top notch. Horse manure occurs. Buck up and get back out and fight. Guess he couldn't. Along with the internal problems Russo has been causing since long before this: Leave him was the choice. So when we left him high and dry in Stain, along with some of the others who respectfully didn't wish to join us, and those who were not so respectful about our plans to leave the safety blanket of the NPC stations in Stain once and for all. He must have been faced with the choice: Stay and get shot, or go try to fruitlessly shoot down TSDS/TSBS haulers where he knew he could find them. He has failed the prove himself to have a backbone, and failed to prove himself a worthy enemy (again.) So Russo, before going to drag other peoples names in the dirt, such as BTK's name... you should let them know what cowardly actions you took to earn you a place (again) in our KOS book of fame. Fact is Russo, the man you are harping on... is the only reason we tolerated you as long as we did, in hopes that that you would change. -----
Mactire Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:42:00 - [50] Best of luck guys. Fond memories of all the fights we had. Mac

Danny Hawk Black Lance	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:58:00 - [51] SAMTHEDOG strikes ure alliance perfectly wrecking for many many losses seriously though gl guys u were good enemys never smacktalked and always put up a fight
impli Singularity.	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:57:00 - [52] First, TSDS/TSBS good luck with your new home. Second. Danny Hawk. Tsds changed the home, why you are not changing your smack ? Seems to be all the time ****ziz.
Russo Amarria Auxilia Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:53:00 - [53] LordMordred, what a nice fantasy world you live in, where you and the other morons have the gift of telepathy and could read my mind and know exactly what was going on. You said so many lies and dumb assumptions, I wont even respond to them all. Continue to live in la la land where TSBS is infallible, I will live in Russo land, where we dont get our fleets massacred for nothing. Russo - CEO Amarria Auxilia XL pod for an XL personality
Zrevak Ashek The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:18:00 - [54] *luuuves the drama
Joshua Keeling Gallente The Short Bus Squad	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:57:00 - [55] Edited by: Joshua Keeling on 31/01/2007 19:54:39 Originally by: Russo I will live in Russo land, where we dont get our fleets massacred for nothing. Please, Russo, spare us your hypocrisy. Say what you will about our actions, however, I have been in those fleets in which you led. Anyways, I find it customary and appropriate for those ousted from the alliance to flame us for what we are doing. It is sudden and abrubt afterall. We not only screwed 300 or so people in Stain by ditching them there, but we also effed the 700 or so remaining in Frulegur by dragging them there and then saying we were disbanding the alliance. How is this fair to them, one might ask. Well, it's not, simply. However, we were offered to do this is thus this is what we have chosen too. I will not defend the leadership's decisions in these situations, but until i find some excelsior reason in which I must rise up then I will follow obedienty therein. So, basically, we screwed about 1100-1200 people over quite royally and now we're on our way and it's the past. All I can say is that I'm sorry it was not handled in a more logical manner, sorry to the corps we lost. Josh
Joshua Keeling Gallente The Short Bus Squad	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:57:00 - [56] Edited by: Joshua Keeling on 31/01/2007 19:54:39 Originally by: Russo I will live in Russo land, where we dont get our fleets massacred for nothing. Please, Russo, spare us your hypocrisy. Say what you will about our actions, however, I have been in those fleets in which you led. Anyways, I find it customary and appropriate for those ousted from the alliance to flame us for what we are doing. It is sudden and abrubt afterall. We not only screwed 300 or so people in Stain by ditching them there, but we also effed the 700 or so remaining in Frulegur by dragging them there and then saying we were disbanding the alliance. How is this fair to them, one might ask. Well, it's not, simply. However, we were offered to do this is thus this is what we have chosen too. I will not defend the leadership's decisions in these situations, but until i find some excelsior reason in which I must rise up then I will follow obedienty therein. So, basically, we screwed about 1100-1200 people over quite royally and now we're on our way and it's the past. All I can say is that I'm sorry it was not handled in a more logical manner, sorry to the corps we lost. Josh
Cyrus Ageis Messerschmitt Shipyards Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:04:00 - [57] Originally by: Joshua Keeling Anyways, I find it customary and appropriate for those ousted from the alliance to flame us for what we are doing. It is sudden and abrubt afterall. We not only screwed 300 or so people in Stain by ditching them there, but we also effed the 700 or so remaining in Frulegur by dragging them there and then saying we were disbanding the alliance. How is this fair to them, one might ask. Well, it's not, simply. However, we were offered to do this is thus this is what we have chosen too. I will not defend the leadership's decisions in these situations, but until i find some excelsior reason in which I must rise up then I will follow obedienty therein. So, basically, we screwed about 1100-1200 people over quite royally and now we're on our way and it's the past. All I can say is that I'm sorry it was not handled in a more logical manner, sorry to the corps we lost. You know what, this is the FIRST honest post about the matter from someone in TSDS/TSBS. I won't debate right or wrong, I'll just say "thank you" for having the gall to say what really happened. Much respect for that. Good luck wherever you end up.
Yavik Black-Sun	Posted - 2007.02.01 07:04:00 - [58] GL and Bye bye
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.02.01 07:11:00 - [59] hmm my first ship loss and podding was by one of your camps in my first week of the game, shame to see you guys going but best of luck to ya and thanks for the early lesson on low sec :) Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
Korall Caldari Disbelievers of Fate	Posted - 2007.02.01 22:29:00 - [60] Awwww, LordMordred. Thats a fantastic tale. I was captivated from beginning to end. It would have been brilliant if the fight had gone the way you so wonderfully portrayed. However TSDS lost 3 carriers in one fight because; 1) The TSDS gang camping the gate had a AAA gang much larger than themselves warp in to our few sniping bs's. 2) The leader of the gang didnt tell the fc that there was pretty much nothing to save by jumping in the carriers. Maybe if he had given Grimwill a more accurate assessment Grimwill wouldnt have ordered the carriers through. 3) The cyno was but up in a bubble. I bad mistake but one from which the cyno pilot has hopefully learnt and moved on. Everbody knows what went on with the alliance disbanding, its blindingly obvious. The alliance was a dictatorship and BTK liked his power. But the trouble with an alliance of many corps is that you still have CEOs, and therefore never complete control. So heres what you do. You get rid of all the corps that you never really listened to in the first place, and you make a megacorp. One CEO, one dictator, all the power. TSBS, the only corp that really had any influence in the alliance, becomes the only thing left of the alliance. Almost poetic. The only thing wrong now is that other people are giving so much effort into trying to bring TSBS down. Guys, just leave it, they'll break themselves apart eventually, just sit back and watch it happen. And yes, I am from one of the corps that were left in Stain, apparently kicked for talking to a CEO of a kicked corp. But to be honest, im not bothered. TSDS didnt exactly matter to me, it was never a close enough alliance to do that. I'll say gl but in all honesty I couldnt care less. Now, what was that alliance called I used to be in?

Loyal Servant Caldari The Short Bus Squad	Posted - 2007.02.02 00:45:00 - [61] Originally by: Korall Everbody knows what went on with the alliance disbanding, its blindingly obvious. The alliance was a dictatorship and BTK liked his power. But the trouble with an alliance of many corps is that you still have CEOs, and therefore never complete control. So heres what you do. You get rid of all the corps that you never really listened to in the first place, and you make a megacorp. One CEO, one dictator, all the power. TSBS, the only corp that really had any influence in the alliance, becomes the only thing left of the alliance. Almost poetic. The only thing wrong now is that other people are giving so much effort into trying to bring TSBS down. Guys, just leave it, they'll break themselves apart eventually, just sit back and watch it happen. And yes, I am from one of the corps that were left in Stain, apparently kicked for talking to a CEO of a kicked corp. But to be honest, im not bothered. TSDS didnt exactly matter to me, it was never a close enough alliance to do that. I'll say gl but in all honesty I couldnt care less. Now, what was that alliance called I used to be in? You guys all kill me. As one of the guys privy to what the ultimate goal was, let me tell you how this went down so you can give it a rest... There were a select few CEOs that know what the real plans were. The rest were either: 1. Not told. 2. Fed BS. 3. Got the REAL information.. This did go up for discussion and at no time did BTK go to anyone and say 'This is what we are doing and that is it - don't like it, leave' So, to the best of my knowledge if you were not told, asked, or given an assignment - then you were not wanted for whatever reasons. So, the flames of 'BTK made this decision and bla bla bla...' This is totally incorrect. We were all asked to put forth suggestions, and to come up with a collective solution and we did. So, we did what we all thought was best. I would suggest that we all knock off the flames, and be done with it. PERSONALLY - we cut the fat out, big time..... When we had 200 people in alliance chat and could only swing a 30 man fleet SOMETHING WAS WRONG. we solved that problem, and now we are happy campers. Tough, live with it. Cornhole, Inc. - Cornholeing eve one system at a time. Member, The Sudden Death Squad [TSDS]
ruemorgue RM Mining Corp	Posted - 2007.02.02 04:04:00 - [62] Just for clarification... if you where only able to field 30, when you had a lot of people in alliance...how many can you field now, after loosing so many? for instance...200 in alliance and 30 active people. If you cut 160 of those none participant people...will you not still have 30? Probably less, if you count the people that left or got kicked right? so now out of an alliance chat of 40, you now have 20 in a fleet? Sorry if I don't understand....I mean, I know for a short time its going to spur activity, but eventually its logical that less will be active. Don't you think?
Biancha	Posted - 2007.02.02 06:08:00 - [63] Wow. TSDS we hardly knew ya... Seriously tho, Hobie, man I wish you and the gang all the best. I remember you all fondly. Best Wishes B
ruemorgue RM Mining Corp	Posted - 2007.02.02 11:05:00 - [64] should be noted that they aren't disbanding the alliance, they are kicking every one from it...very very specific difference. The alliance is still there.
boltarr Caldari The Short Bus Squad	Posted - 2007.02.03 14:38:00 - [65] Good luck to everyone. Sorry if your comfort zone was disrupted. Decisions are made everyday in EVE some good some bad. At the end of the day...........Its just a game. Have fun and cyall in space
Black Mirror Black-Sun	Posted - 2007.02.03 16:01:00 - [66] Originally by: EXZODIER ItÆs nice to see so many people taking an interest in what we are doing- but it is a shame to see that all the people we kicked from the alliance before we moved crying These people didnÆt want to listen to anything that was said and pretty much never joined in on ops and pretty much never did anything for the alliance anyway As for all this being for the benefit of 1 or 2 people its not, this action was decided on after much discussion by the senior members of TSBS and as TSBS created the alliance we decided that we were going to be the last people in it. It has been decided that it is best to move on from the 0.0 region of stain and find a better place to live and as for losing ships and information on kill boards people need to relies that you donÆt real lose anything in eve as long as u have the isk to replace it and have fun losing it, IT DOSENT MATTER One of the first objectives of TSDS / TSBS was to invite a huge amount of corps in the alliance.This happend whitout having a good background of each individual corp.It was a big mess and a lot of inactive corps whit totally no 0.0 / pvp expierence.Its true there was lots of whining but you don't have to listen to death weight, just kick them out and work with the others thats why Black-Sun stayed out of this crap. As for me TSBS has a very good bunch of peaple in it but they are not able to lead an alliance.As you look at there killboard you can see that the corps that are in the top 5 of exaly killing and doing stuff are not moving North.So i think the only corp that has expierence ,leaders and active members is TSBS and you Exodier are realy not a part of that group you are the one that complains on almost everything and a big joke in pvp. I wish you guys the best in your new plans up North.For BTK, i think you expected to much from this inactive alliance and i understand you wanted something new...no wurries.Just like my corp and a few others wanted to stay in Stain.Anyway i enjoyed to fly unther your wings.Also great respect to Carl Bates , ossiris , carnal pleasure , kingpeach and many more.
Black Mirror Black-Sun	Posted - 2007.02.03 16:02:00 - [67] Originally by: boltarr Good luck to everyone. Sorry if your comfort zone was disrupted. Decisions are made everyday in EVE some good some bad. At the end of the day...........Its just a game. Have fun and cyall in space indeed


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