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Awox
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.30 09:57:00 -
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Seriously guys. I see lots of stupid posts on this forum about nanoships being overpowered. That's not what is stupid about it, but the same people don't care that this is what the caldari missile interceptor, the Crow is like when fighting small ship vs Crow.
Yes other ceptors can kill the crow, if the crow doesn't run away. Now that something non-caldari is untouchable/invincible/solopwnmobile you want to nerf it. If you nerf inertial stabilizers I think it's only fair you also nerf the Crow because on a smaller scale it is much like the nanobs, untouchable.
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Reiisha
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.30 09:59:00 -
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Try nerfing caldari BS first.
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Bethany Brokatt
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:00:00 -
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We have all given up trying to get the sheep nerfed.
Do you remember the new missile system..... Do you really want 6 months of that again!
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari VSP Corp. R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Awox Seriously guys. I see lots of stupid posts on this forum about nanoships being overpowered. That's not what is stupid about it, but the same people don't care that this is what the caldari missile interceptor, the Crow is like when fighting small ship vs Crow.
Yes other ceptors can kill the crow, if the crow doesn't run away. Now that something non-caldari is untouchable/invincible/solopwnmobile you want to nerf it. If you nerf inertial stabilizers I think it's only fair you also nerf the Crow because on a smaller scale it is much like the nanobs, untouchable.
Wrong wrong wrong wrong.Nano-BS use a combination of speed+Heavy NOS+Drones and Missiles all the while going 5-9 KM/sec and their NOS will shut down any tackler that gets within web range.They are near invincible and the Crow isnt.Even if a Nano-BS is hit, which is almost never, its NOT gonna get insta-popped whereas a Crow could.Please do some research before posting a "Nerf the Crow!!" thread. Yeah I am a pirate.What are you gonna do about it? |
Dread Phantom
Caldari Project-Chaos
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:21:00 -
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Awox Seriously guys. I see lots of stupid posts on this forum about nanoships being overpowered. That's not what is stupid about it, but the same people don't care that this is what the caldari missile interceptor, the Crow is like when fighting small ship vs Crow.
Yes other ceptors can kill the crow, if the crow doesn't run away. Now that something non-caldari is untouchable/invincible/solopwnmobile you want to nerf it. If you nerf inertial stabilizers I think it's only fair you also nerf the Crow because on a smaller scale it is much like the nanobs, untouchable.
ah thats so cute... Facts * A long range crow has the worst dps output, even with good missles skills it takes a while to down anything bigger then a shuttle * A nano is not a "can only be fitted on crow" thing * A long range fitted Ceptor, which can be mostly applied to all ceptors in the game are all fast and run when its not a 100% in their favor * Crow isnt the fastest ceptor in the game * Crow is fitted long range not able to have any defense * Standard missles launchers, dont do wreckings
So let me guess u lost an ic to a crow?
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Katamarino
Blazing Angels Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:35:00 -
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I would guess the issue is that a crow can do all its damage without having to worry about tracking, a huge bonus to something going 10km/s.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari VSP Corp. R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Katamarino I would guess the issue is that a crow can do all its damage without having to worry about tracking, a huge bonus to something going 10km/s.
As can a Nano-BS which also has drones and Heavy NOS...... Yeah I am a pirate.What are you gonna do about it? |
snakebreath
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Awox Seriously guys. I see lots of stupid posts on this forum about nanoships being overpowered. That's not what is stupid about it, but the same people don't care that this is what the caldari missile interceptor, the Crow is like when fighting small ship vs Crow.
Yes other ceptors can kill the crow, if the crow doesn't run away. Now that something non-caldari is untouchable/invincible/solopwnmobile you want to nerf it. If you nerf inertial stabilizers I think it's only fair you also nerf the Crow because on a smaller scale it is much like the nanobs, untouchable.
Most of the discussion about nanoships being overpowered has ben focused on the Tyhpoon/DOM. Being a BS, I would agree that it shouldn't be able to travel faster than an interceptor. Now as far as you asking for a nerf on the crow, that is absurd. The crow is an interceptor, it's supposed to be fast, and it is by no means untouchable.
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infra52x
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Awox Seriously guys. I see lots of stupid posts on this forum .
Add one more to the stats
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ewa Quillam on 30/01/2007 16:47:37 The crow is different from other interceptors because it can deal constant damage from outside the web range. They are dangerous for a lot of ships because they'd tackle them and then wait for the rest of the fleet to do the formality, but that's what any interceptor can do. They surely can't kill much on their own.
So, why would something natural for a ship be nerfed? Just because ur Iteron 3 or ur covetor or ur rifter got it from 17km and ur mates couldn't catch it doesn't mean it's a valid reason to cry "nerf, it's overpowered".
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha Try nerfing caldari BS first.
Aye my Scorpions hull is forever soaked in the blood and debris of my opponents crew and ships. Its just an unstoppable killing machine. It fulfills such an important role in its 5 seconds of fleet fight existence, often it jams 1 ship before it dies! I've heard legends suggesting that even 2 or 3 jams have been achieved for 20 seconds! Truly devastating.
Oh and my Rokh! Blimey its supreme least damaging fleet battleship accolade terrifies the enemy. So much so that they all run to their Megathrons, Armageddons and Tempests in abject fear. I also get to pay at least twice the amount of isk for my Rokh which means it must be totally spectacular, right?
Ravens nice though. :P
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:14:00 -
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Only time the crow truly shines is when the pilot has a snake set.
Otherwise they are not all that hot TBH. Rail Taranis or beam crusader will work them over no prob.
Even with all faction mods and implants, crow is risky. One wrong turn and 1 web and you are done. Nanophoon is a beast in comparison, and can go almost as fast.
Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Only time the crow truly shines is when the pilot has a snake set.
Otherwise they are not all that hot TBH. Rail Taranis or beam crusader will work them over no prob.
Even with all faction mods and implants, crow is risky. One wrong turn and 1 web and you are done. Nanophoon is a beast in comparison, and can go almost as fast.
Yesterday tried to kill a crow in my stabber, he boosted up to 12500 m/s and started orbitting me around 27 k
Did some mwd bursts though and got out of 30k range and could warp. Pimped crows are fun _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Lynne Moreland
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:58:00 -
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I think the crow is such a pain in the behind just now is the fact that it can go so fast u just cant hit it with anything really. Whoever had the idea that a long range frigate sniper setup can hit it go try, honestly... it's untouchable.
But all the while... hey wait a minute... that crapy missile damage is mounting up... oh I'm dead "gf i suppose".
Im Caldari... I have max missile skills... I fly a crow... the thing needs nerfed. Not so much as nano BS but at least to allow another frigate to be able to fight it.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.01.30 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Only time the crow truly shines is when the pilot has a snake set.
Otherwise they are not all that hot TBH. Rail Taranis or beam crusader will work them over no prob.
Even with all faction mods and implants, crow is risky. One wrong turn and 1 web and you are done. Nanophoon is a beast in comparison, and can go almost as fast.
Yesterday tried to kill a crow in my stabber, he boosted up to 12500 m/s and started orbitting me around 27 k
Did some mwd bursts though and got out of 30k range and could warp. Pimped crows are fun
yea, the faction ones are a pain. stabber should be able to tank it pretty easily tho.
Corp mate of mine got jumped by 3 crows and 1 malediction while in a maller. I came in in my long range beam crusader using aurora crystals, 24km range, but tracking penalty.
I killed 1 crow, took another to 10% struct, and forced them to retreat without killing the maller. My crusader survived just fine. all were regular crows. When its not pimped, crow is not very impressive.
crow will try to keep range on you. Which means tracking wont be a problem when you mwd right at them. If they are faster then you, and have a sensor booster and can hit you from 34km, yea it does suck, but meh, never been killed by it, you can get away pretty easily.
do not assume a raptor is the same and charge it. That got my a webbed and dead crusader
pimped crows dont worry me. they will die in situations where the nanophoon wont, cause when they are webbed, they slam on the brakes thanks to all that agility.
Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.30 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 30/01/2007 18:05:51
"Im Caldari... I have max missile skills... I fly a crow... the thing needs nerfed. Not so much as nano BS but at least to allow another frigate to be able to fight it."
If by "another frigate" you mean another interceptor, then simply start moving away from the Crow in straight line at your max speed. Her missiles will be hitting you for lolol damage, and chasing Crow has very low transversal speed, easy to hit with their MWD blazing. (if they are dumb. if they have any brains they'll disengage and go cry in the corner about missile mechanics only allowing to kill stupid people)
Switching from plated rocket Crow the light missile nano setup is... frustrating, more than anything else --;;
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Frank Moss
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.30 18:15:00 -
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Just a couple of quick points:
1: The main issue ppl have with "nano-ships" is actually from inertial stabs rather than nanos. [to illustrate this, I was surprised to find that my crow was faster and more agile with a cr*p named inertial stab than with a Domination Nano]
2: The speeds that ppl complain about are not actually achieveable without either a LOT of isk invested [all faction mods, snake implants and hardwirings] or a claymore with a mindlink, or both. - This is the important point. People complain about cheap, low-skill, indestructible "nano-ships" going at ridiculous speeds but fail to understand that just sticking a mwd, 3 named inertial stabs and 4 named nanos on a typhoon won't actually get you to 8k/s. Nor will a gist mwd and domi nano/named inertial stab get your crow much above 5k/s.
(and incidentally the dmg output of a crow setup purely for speed is luike being slapped with a wet tissue)
Anyway, continue to argue away
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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.01.30 18:24:00 -
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All inty's are fast and they're supposed to be fast. And if ur flying a decent ship they shouldn't be able to touch u anyway. Tho shall give Life, for Life. |
Stud Longcock
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Posted - 2007.01.30 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Frank Moss Nor will a gist mwd and domi nano/named inertial stab get your crow much above 5k/s.
With Gist mwd, 2 X local istabs and 1 local nano, and only 3 ranks in acceleration control, my Crow does over 6 km/s.
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Frank Moss
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.30 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Stud Longcock
Originally by: Frank Moss Nor will a gist mwd and domi nano/named inertial stab get your crow much above 5k/s.
With Gist mwd, 2 X local istabs and 1 local nano, and only 3 ranks in acceleration control, my Crow does over 6 km/s.
Note that I said nano/stab, not nanos/stabs, and also said "much above 5k".
Another pertinent point is that if your crow is fitted with two inertial stabs and a nano taking up all the lows you're not gonna be able to sustain your mwd and 20km scram, making it a pretty pointless and very easily spankable/escapable setup, thereby nullifying the arguement that said setup could be particularly overpowered.
In my eyes anyway.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari VSP Corp. R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.30 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Frank Moss
Originally by: Stud Longcock
Originally by: Frank Moss Nor will a gist mwd and domi nano/named inertial stab get your crow much above 5k/s.
With Gist mwd, 2 X local istabs and 1 local nano, and only 3 ranks in acceleration control, my Crow does over 6 km/s.
Note that I said nano/stab, not nanos/stabs, and also said "much above 5k".
Another pertinent point is that if your crow is fitted with two inertial stabs and a nano taking up all the lows you're not gonna be able to sustain your mwd and 20km scram, making it a pretty pointless and very easily spankable/escapable setup, thereby nullifying the arguement that said setup could be particularly overpowered.
In my eyes anyway.
Not true.If you put 2x CC Rigs on and a Cap Recharger II you can run everything permanently. Yeah I am a pirate.What are you gonna do about it? |
Stud Longcock
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Posted - 2007.01.30 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Frank Moss Another pertinent point is that if your crow is fitted with two inertial stabs and a nano taking up all the lows you're not gonna be able to sustain your mwd and 20km scram, making it a pretty pointless and very easily spankable/escapable setup, thereby nullifying the arguement that said setup could be particularly overpowered.
It sustains long enough for the damagedealers to do their dirty work. I also ran through 2 interdictor bubblecamps the other day, not bad for a noob with a bit over 4m SP.
Yeah, it's no solopwnmobile, but it makes this nubbin feel somewhat secure in my ability to avoid unpleasant encounters.
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Raef Ruoy
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.30 21:15:00 -
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Raptor is actually better imo. It is alot more versatile it is a bit slower but it allows you to engage stupid ceptors with with your 2 launchers and stay at range or if they run away from you you have your guns to hit for wreckings on their nice no transversal tails.. -Raef
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Aceoil
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2007.01.30 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Aceoil on 30/01/2007 21:31:26
Originally by: Frank Moss Note that I said nano/stab, not nanos/stabs, and also said "much above 5k".
Another pertinent point is that if your crow is fitted with two inertial stabs and a nano taking up all the lows you're not gonna be able to sustain your mwd and 20km scram, making it a pretty pointless and very easily spankable/escapable setup, thereby nullifying the arguement that said setup could be particularly overpowered.
In my eyes anyway.
So true. I use 2 istabs in the lows, and a PDS for the extra power grid so I can fit a: MWD, 20km scram, and a small cap booster in the mids.
Or that last low slot can be used for a cap power relay, and I can stick a cap recharger in the mid slot to support the scrambler.
Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Originally by: Frank Moss
Originally by: Stud Longcock
Originally by: Frank Moss Nor will a gist mwd and domi nano/named inertial stab get your crow much above 5k/s.
With Gist mwd, 2 X local istabs and 1 local nano, and only 3 ranks in acceleration control, my Crow does over 6 km/s.
Note that I said nano/stab, not nanos/stabs, and also said "much above 5k".
Another pertinent point is that if your crow is fitted with two inertial stabs and a nano taking up all the lows you're not gonna be able to sustain your mwd and 20km scram, making it a pretty pointless and very easily spankable/escapable setup, thereby nullifying the arguement that said setup could be particularly overpowered.
In my eyes anyway.
Not true.If you put 2x CC Rigs on and a Cap Recharger II you can run everything permanently.
Wouldn't you move quicker with 2 MWD speed boost rigs? Than 1 extra istab/nano in the lows?
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.01.30 21:36:00 -
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Some time ago i was being annoyed by a nanocrow with a gistii mwd orbitting me @ about 19km and I was in my shield-buffered hurricane. I someone instapopped him with my 425mm II's with barrage, they're not that bad =P just get lucky and since most faction crows are flown by people that can't pvp but mine all day and have money to buy a faction crow, they'll set orbit@ a certain distance, so just fly away in a straight line on mwd, reverse orbit, web, pop
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Bazman
Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.30 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Raef Ruoy Raptor is actually better imo. It is alot more versatile it is a bit slower but it allows you to engage stupid ceptors with with your 2 launchers and stay at range or if they run away from you you have your guns to hit for wreckings on their nice no transversal tails..
I'm sure they fear your craptor with 75mm railguns and rocketlaunchers simply because you can barely fit anything else :P
its another subject entirely though i suppose -----
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Raef Ruoy
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.30 21:50:00 -
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I have 2 standard missile launchers and 125mm II's on it so move along thanks. -Raef
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Balian Bowmaker
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Posted - 2007.01.30 22:09:00 -
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Somebody got popped by a crow this morning while eating his Special K.
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Kehmor
Caldari PAK
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Posted - 2007.01.30 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha Try nerfing caldari BS first.
You do realise this game is balanced for PVP don't you?
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