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Xenocidal Rage
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Posted - 2007.01.30 19:24:00 -
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I got my alt into a Raven and am ratting in 0.0 Angel space. I've been having some success with active tanking, but I was wondering if there were any ideas for a good passive tank. I'd prefer to keep it mostly T1, as he is a new character, but if you know a rock-solid T2 setup, then throw that out as well. Thanks in advance.
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Dark Flare
Caldari
Corpus PCG
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Posted - 2007.01.30 19:26:00 -
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A passive Raven is only really good for PvP, for PvE or ratting you need a more sustainable tank than a Passive Raven can supply.
Passive Raven will give you a nice big HP buffer, and nothing more, the recharge on the shields is too low for it to sustain heavy dps for very long.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.01.30 19:28:00 -
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3x LSE II, 1x invul II, 2x target painter for rage raven for pvp, otherwise i see no use
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.01.30 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 30/01/2007 20:05:00
Battleships are of no use for passive tank, their shield recharge time is too long and modules like LSE add too little, percentage-wise.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.01.30 20:25:00 -
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Well, since purger rigs came into existance, passive shieldtanks on battleships are "kind of" feasable.
Nothing impressive, and worse as what you can get with a good active tank, but still, it can be done, barely.
The only good news is that decent passive shield tanking is not very SP intensive, while active tanking (even if much better in the end) needs a lot more SP to be "good". Here's a few possible setups for a Raven.
Common to all:
HI: whatever fits and you can use
Rigs: 3 purgers for best recharge rate, 3 extenders for best buffer, or a mix of them
Full passive (NOS invulnerable)
MID: 3-4 LSE and 2-3 passive hardners (E/T optional K, rat-specific)
LOW: 6x SPR I
Active hardners (NOS vulnerable)
MID: 4 LSE + 2 Invul (or rat-specific)
LOW: mix of PDUs and SPRs, add PDUs until you are confortable with recharge rate
Semi-passive (mix of active and passive shieldtank, "burst" the shield booster only when under 30% shield)
MID: shield booster (the larger the better), 2 hardners (rat specific or invuls), 3 LSE
LOW: full PDU
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For a full active setup, the forum is full of setups.
Most will use CCC rigs, XL shield booster + SBAmp, and either all 4 hardners/invuls or some painters, with lows only BCUs and PDUs.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.30 20:50:00 -
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For a Raven I would go for a high hitpoint passive tank as thats useable. Regen passive tanks on Ravens dont tend to work well. So PDS over relays and extender rigs over purger.
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R34PER
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Posted - 2007.01.30 20:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Pottsey
For a Raven I would go for a high hitpoint passive tank as thats useable. Regen passive tanks on Ravens dont tend to work well. So PDS over relays and extender rigs over purger.
Basically you are suggesting to kill the rats before they get throught your shields, then warp to safespot and afk for 15 minutes until shields recharge again 
Fitting there a T2 sb or such could help you keep your buffer up far longer and uses just one slot (-> welcome active tank). Passive tanking sucks on battleships anyhow.
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.01.30 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: R34PER
Originally by: Pottsey
For a Raven I would go for a high hitpoint passive tank as thats useable. Regen passive tanks on Ravens dont tend to work well. So PDS over relays and extender rigs over purger.
Basically you are suggesting to kill the rats before they get throught your shields, then warp to safespot and afk for 15 minutes until shields recharge again
Fitting there a T2 sb or such could help you keep your buffer up far longer and uses just one slot (-> welcome active tank). Passive tanking sucks on battleships anyhow.
if anyone talks about buffers, assume it's for pvp..*hint*
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Fabrezio
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Posted - 2007.01.30 21:10:00 -
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I'm currently passive tanking level 4 missions in a raven, my current shields are 21854 and my shields recharge in 406 seconds. Heres how I did it:
3x Shield Extenders Tech 2 in mid slots, 3x hardeners (you could only use 2 hardeners and add a shield recharge mod instead, I'm just playing it safe right now).
5x Shield Relays in the low slots (that's every low slot is a shield relay)
1x Shield extender rig, 2x shield recharge rigs.
Also get the gnome hardwiring (I'm using the 3% to max, and 3% to shield recharge).
If my math is correct: (21854/406)*2.4 = 129
If the sticky is correct and it's really 2.5: 134
Keep in mind, this is without having any shield skills at 5....so in theory, it could be better. And this is a normal raven, not CNR.
Also, you'll need nos in the high slot, your cap essentially doesn't recharge. You survive by nosing everything in sight.
I'm tanking Angel Extravaganza with this setup right now.
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Zissou
5 November
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Posted - 2007.01.30 21:13:00 -
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I tested this when rigs came out just to see what it was like. I went for a shield regen passive setup and had something like this:
H: 6x Cruise Launchers
M: 4x Large Shield Extender II, 2x Invulnerabity Field II
L: 5x Shield Power Relays
R: 3x Shield Regen rigs
The regen on the shields was ok and lvl4 mission testing proved quite interesting.
With an Angel Extravaganza I found I could get through all 5 stages without warping out (very close on some bits) but needed to warp out against the Zazzmatazz. The other missions were all quite possible but in most cases I'd find myself waiting for the huge amount of shield hp to regen before advancing onto the next stage (which took longer than waiting for cap to recharge with a conventional mission setup).
It was fun to play with and capable of running missions, but slow and sometimes risky.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.30 21:34:00 -
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ôBasically you are suggesting to kill the rats before they get throught your shields, then warp to safespot and afk for 15 minutes until shields recharge againö
No I mean kill the rats and recharge during the warp to the next rats. Now it has been over a year since I ratted in 0.0 but as I recall youÆre not in constant combat but you spend time warping and looking for a good kill even when chaining. Have things changed?
That and if your half decent the rats are not going get you down to 0% shields or even close to that low and it doesnÆt take that long to get the shield back up to 70 to 80%. If you wait till you get to 70% then go into combat again your not waiting long if at all.
This also gives you a better chance in PvP as hitpoints are better then regen for a Raven. If your belt ratting and PvPing then hitpoint buffers are the way to go. Now if its missions I would lean more towards regen.
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R34PER
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Posted - 2007.01.30 21:51:00 -
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Well in some AF you can sometimes passive shield tank with armor tank, but with raven being not so fast and significantly larger, you can expect to take some beating too. AF's are especially good for killing guristas rats because they do damage that you have bonuses to.
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