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Jackaryas
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:10:01 -
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So with the release of the patch notes today it appears the racial Force auxilary skill books are being seeded on the market.
I am guessing this means those of us with carrier 5(s) have to spend another 35-50 days training the new racials to 5?
Seems pretty harsh for those who have spent 100 or so days training carrier 5 and t2 triage
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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:16:40 -
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Anyone with carriers trained should get the corresponding force aux book free. Sounds fair. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10630
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:20:28 -
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Jackaryas
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:25:23 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Anyone with carriers trained should get the corresponding force aux book free. Sounds fair.
i agree but there is no mention of it in the patch notes, just that the skills will be seeded - i was under the impression there was gonna be at least some conversion. Whether that was skills and ships or just either or.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2562
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:28:48 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Anyone with carriers trained should get the corresponding force aux book free. Sounds fair.
Everyone should have to pay for their force auxiliary skillbook. |
DaReaper
Net 7
2756
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:30:01 -
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as they have not released the FAX yet, the skill is for people who may not have carrier skills and so they are ready to be used. i assume once the FAX is dropped then they will do a convert, and if not, well the skill is there for you already
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Jackaryas
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:33:06 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Anyone with carriers trained should get the corresponding force aux book free. Sounds fair. Everyone should have to pay for their force auxiliary skillbook.
Not if its another 500m skillbook that allows one to do the same role they fill now
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Jackaryas
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:34:52 -
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DaReaper wrote:as they have not released the FAX yet, the skill is for people who may not have carrier skills and so they are ready to be used. i assume once the FAX is dropped then they will do a convert, and if not, well the skill is there for you already
If thats the case then CCP should make it clear if a conversion is taking place (im guesing it isn't) i dont wanna log in on patch day with FAX level 0
But i also dont think its fair for triage pilots who have invested the time training to be in a worse position than combat carrier pilots.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
17435
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:36:57 -
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Jackaryas wrote:So with the release of the patch notes today it appears the racial Force auxilary skill books are being seeded on the market.
I am guessing this means those of us with carrier 5(s) have to spend another 35-50 days training the new racials to 5?
Seems pretty harsh for those who have spent 100 or so days training carrier 5 and t2 triage
How are you training 14m SP in 35 days?
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Jackaryas
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:41:29 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jackaryas wrote:So with the release of the patch notes today it appears the racial Force auxilary skill books are being seeded on the market.
I am guessing this means those of us with carrier 5(s) have to spend another 35-50 days training the new racials to 5?
Seems pretty harsh for those who have spent 100 or so days training carrier 5 and t2 triage How are you training 14m SP in 35 days?
That should have read per carrier level 5 :)
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stg slate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:47:02 -
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Jackaryas wrote:Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Anyone with carriers trained should get the corresponding force aux book free. Sounds fair. i agree but there is no mention of it in the patch notes, just that the skills will be seeded - i was under the impression there was gonna be at least some conversion. Whether that was skills and ships or just either or.
Apparently this is the weekend to leave important information unannounced.
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Hound Halfhand
Repo Industries
18
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:48:43 -
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I'm fine with having to train for the Fax ships even though I have Caldari and Amarr carrier to V already. I just want CCP to release want their intentions are so I can get started. This is so unlike them to not let their intentions known its getting kind of ridiculous. It is a far cry from letting us know about the destroyer and battle cruiser changes at least a year before hand and that was a lot smaller change. Not to mention letting people know they need to begin the train on command ships before the patch if you don't have the pre-reqs.
If the capital changes and citadels are really being released in April, which is 2 months away, they obviously know what they are doing. Why not tell us? I don't want to buy a FAX skill book and start training only to find out I could have switched one of my carrier skills to a FAX ship or some such thing.
Come on CCP. Let us know already.
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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:57:47 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Anyone with carriers trained should get the corresponding force aux book free. Sounds fair. Everyone should have to pay for their force auxiliary skillbook.
Why? I trained to use my carrier only got the Triage/remote rep roll. I don't even rat in it. If CCP is giving the option to pilots to pick which ship type they get after Citadel, why wouldn't they do the same for the skill. Its not sensible. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:58:37 -
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Jackaryas wrote:Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Anyone with carriers trained should get the corresponding force aux book free. Sounds fair. i agree but there is no mention of it in the patch notes, just that the skills will be seeded - i was under the impression there was gonna be at least some conversion. Whether that was skills and ships or just either or.
That's what I'm saying |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2016.02.05 18:59:41 -
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Jackaryas wrote:DaReaper wrote:as they have not released the FAX yet, the skill is for people who may not have carrier skills and so they are ready to be used. i assume once the FAX is dropped then they will do a convert, and if not, well the skill is there for you already If thats the case then CCP should make it clear if a conversion is taking place (im guesing it isn't) i dont wanna log in on patch day with FAX level 0 But i also dont think its fair for triage pilots who have invested the time training to be in a worse position than combat carrier pilots.
And this ^ |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2016.02.05 19:01:15 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jackaryas wrote:So with the release of the patch notes today it appears the racial Force auxilary skill books are being seeded on the market.
I am guessing this means those of us with carrier 5(s) have to spend another 35-50 days training the new racials to 5?
Seems pretty harsh for those who have spent 100 or so days training carrier 5 and t2 triage How are you training 14m SP in 35 days?
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2904
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Posted - 2016.02.05 19:06:28 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Anyone with carriers trained should get the corresponding force aux book free. Sounds fair.
If anything, it might be based off of your tactical reconfiguration skill, since that is more directly related. Would make much sense to give carrier pilots who have little interest or skill to use the new triage FAX. |
Custos Stratos
Gotham City.
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Posted - 2016.02.05 19:20:23 -
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It's the same for the skills for Light and Support Fighters......they put them on the market with this upcoming release but no word on what happens to people who already have that to 5? And the Fighter bomber skills, and why not bring out the Heavy Fighter skills. IMO CCP is way too silent about the details of the upcoming capital changes.
We are not talking about some Frigate skills with 1x multipliers here. And don't get me started on the potential changes to Capital EWAR. Not a single conctructive word on that yet. Some details would be appreciated so you can plan your skill queue. |
Memphis Baas
1043
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Posted - 2016.02.05 20:18:23 -
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Personally, I wish they do this:
- Carrier skill -> unallocated pool
- Triage skill -> unallocated pool
- Fighters skill -> unallocated pool
- maybe even Fighterbombers skill -> unallocated pool
Then seed the new skills on the market and let us decide whether to allocate back to carriers, or allocate to the "force" whatevers.
Also, if CCP really wants the "dark and gritty" universe, they shouldn't make it so easy for us to spam all the channels with "Use the force, Memphis!" "I need reps, Memphis, use the force!" "Mesa being using the force, yousa seein?" and so on. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
44254
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Posted - 2016.02.05 20:27:30 -
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Personally I think it's kind of fair to give current triage pilots the skill because the triage capability is being removed from carriers, but then again a Force Auxiliary is not a Carrier, but a completely new ship class.
Ultimately I'm ok with both approaches and don't blame CCP for taking the stance that it needs to be trained (if that's what they've decided).
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2016.02.05 20:30:03 -
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CCP developers are overworked and underpaid. Something has to give in that situation and it's communication to the player base. Blame the higher ups not the devs.
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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2016.02.05 20:35:01 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Personally, I wish they do this:
- Carrier skill -> unallocated pool
- Triage skill -> unallocated pool
- Fighters skill -> unallocated pool
- maybe even Fighterbombers skill -> unallocated pool
Then seed the new skills on the market and let us decide whether to allocate back to carriers, or allocate to the "force" whatevers.
Also, if CCP really wants the "dark and gritty" universe, they shouldn't make it so easy for us to spam all the channels with "Use the force, Memphis!" "I need reps, Memphis, use the force!" "Mesa being using the force, yousa seein?" and so on.
That's what I'm talking about. That would be the most logical thing to do. However if the skills books cost an arm and a leg. If you paid a half billion sometime ago and have to do it again to apply those unallocated SP that's not right.
I agree with you, but those books aren't cheap and people spent sh!t tons of ISK on them. I think that the ISK cost needs addressing too. |
Memphis Baas
1044
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Posted - 2016.02.05 20:35:29 -
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ALL developers everywhere are overworked and underpaid.
And they don't typically communicate with the players; that's what they have Community Managers for. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1346
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Posted - 2016.02.05 20:35:59 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Anyone with carriers trained should get the corresponding force aux book free. Sounds fair.
Lol no. New class of ship, nothing is being replaced, deal with it.
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Memphis Baas
1044
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Posted - 2016.02.05 20:40:10 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:However if the skills books cost an arm and a leg. I think that the ISK cost needs addressing too.
Well, they probably won't magically replace your fully-fitted carrier with a fully-fitted force, and I'm guessing that the cost of the skill is chump change compared to the cost of the ship. With everyone trying to sell their carrier to get a force, I'm guessing ships will be underpriced/overpriced for some time.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
9580
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Posted - 2016.02.05 20:41:52 -
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Gaiz... consider this reasonable line of thoght before you wave your pitchforks:
- the skillbook entry for the FAXs may be being entered into the markets... but that doesn't mean the skillbook itself will.
Remember, the DEVs have historically never relased a skillbook before a ship has been introduced.
- the DEVs have always promised "what you can fly before, you will be able to fly now."
They did this with "skill split" before with Destroyers and Battlecruisers. It will probably be no different this time (especially considering the time, ISK, and emotional investment that has been put into this size of ships).
- The DEVs have a history of poor wording... either in patch notes or DEV blogs. Frankly, it is not just CCP DEVs that have this issue. Work with DEVs in any company and you will see that "poor wording" is pretty much a quirk of engineers and programmers in general (they practially speak their own language).
So if you see some wording that is suspect... take it with a grain of salt and politely ask for clarification first.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33279
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:16:56 -
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It's a new ship, which means CCP will get their sub time out of you. It's not a simple split like the battlecruisers, where no new ships were added.
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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:22:36 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Anyone with carriers trained should get the corresponding force aux book free. Sounds fair. Lol no. New class of ship, nothing is being replaced, deal with it.
Uh yea, kinda is. One ship is being split into two roles. Therefore If you're not given a choice of which role you want and you aren't lucky enough to get that role, you wasted time and money. Some people may take that seriously since not everyone has mommy's credit card number to blow up shinny ships with. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:23:27 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:However if the skills books cost an arm and a leg. I think that the ISK cost needs addressing too. Well, they probably won't magically replace your fully-fitted carrier with a fully-fitted force, and I'm guessing that the cost of the skill is chump change compared to the cost of the ship. With everyone trying to sell their carrier to get a force, I'm guessing ships will be underpriced/overpriced for some time.
Very likely. I may have to buy a second carrier just as a investment. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33279
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:25:06 -
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"Fair" would be reimbursing your carrier skills so you can reassign them, but I don't see that happening.
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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:25:52 -
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I'm sure CCP will come up with something, it's not like they want to screw anyone. They want to make it a smooth transition. I just wish details were more forth coming. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33280
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:34:00 -
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The only practical issue with this change is the skillbooks. With tactical destroyers, there was no lead-time on the skillbooks, and the skillbooks were seeded with each ship. That worked because tactical destroyers were arguably elective.
As for capital logistics, they're much more important and leaving everyone gimped by not releasing skillbooks would just be... bad on all kinds of levels.
By seeding force aux skillbooks ahead of time, they're removing the one practical limitation for the force aux change. They could allow skill reimbursement, skill split (giving free SP equal to current triage skill), or this option. This is the solution I predicted, because it is the one that involves more sub time.
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Memphis Baas
1045
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:37:33 -
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Faxes, heh. Cute.
Faux could also get popular. Pronounced "fox", cause we're not refined enough to pronounce it fo.
Guess a bunch of the ships will be named Pas.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33280
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:46:39 -
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It's going to be "fox"
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
Naquatech Syndicate
1869
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Posted - 2016.02.05 22:05:51 -
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As it should be
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.02.05 22:12:21 -
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Quote:
faux (f+ì)
- made in imitation; artificial.
"a string of faux pearls"
- not genuine; fake or false.
"their faux concern for the well-being of the voters didn't fool many"
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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2016.02.06 11:16:14 -
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Stop Fauxing around, this is serious. |
Camios
Dutch East Querious Company
Phoebe Freeport Republic
168
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Posted - 2016.02.06 19:09:44 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jackaryas wrote:So with the release of the patch notes today it appears the racial Force auxilary skill books are being seeded on the market.
I am guessing this means those of us with carrier 5(s) have to spend another 35-50 days training the new racials to 5?
Seems pretty harsh for those who have spent 100 or so days training carrier 5 and t2 triage How are you training 14m SP in 35 days?
With skill injectors :trollface:
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Jus'not N'miFace
Sheep Teet Industries
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Posted - 2016.02.06 21:10:59 -
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yah I have caldari carrier 5 and amarr carrier 5 only for triage if I have to train each up to 5 again that is total bull ****. And it's disgusting if ccp makes us train that many more skills. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2016.02.06 21:48:59 -
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Jus'not N'miFace wrote:yah I have caldari carrier 5 and amarr carrier 5 only for triage if I have to train each up to 5 again that is total bull ****. And it's disgusting if ccp makes us train that many more skills.
I'm in the same boat. |
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Very Aggressive Reacharound
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.06 22:20:55 -
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such utter crap that ccp is making us re train for triage and giving us almost no time to train them... what a load of crap.. all to make us buy skill injectors so those who can afford it will have the skill trained to v... Way to go to total pay to win ccp
This is what we get when a EA exec is hired... looks like it's time for another protest cause this is garbage!!! Screw you ccp |
Very Aggressive Reacharound
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2016.02.06 22:56:51 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Jus'not N'miFace wrote:yah I have caldari carrier 5 and amarr carrier 5 only for triage if I have to train each up to 5 again that is total bull ****. And it's disgusting if ccp makes us train that many more skills. I'm in the same boat.
totally ridiculous ccp adds pay for skills then adds a whole new capital skill with only a couple months so you have to buy their skill injectors to train it up... absolutely amazing. ccp you disgust me |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2016.02.06 23:19:26 -
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Very Aggressive Reacharound wrote:Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:Jus'not N'miFace wrote:yah I have caldari carrier 5 and amarr carrier 5 only for triage if I have to train each up to 5 again that is total bull ****. And it's disgusting if ccp makes us train that many more skills. I'm in the same boat. totally ridiculous ccp adds pay for skills then adds a whole new capital skill with only a couple months so you have to buy their skill injectors to train it up... absolutely amazing. ccp you disgust me
Wait, no one said you had to use skill injectors, just that may get it done quicker. They may re-emburse us, we're just speculating atm. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
265
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Posted - 2016.02.07 09:01:16 -
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i agree that triage carrier pilots should be able to fly force auxillary ships after the change but, imho, they shouldn't be able to fly carrier anymore since CCP making them pure drone/dps ships now.
so existing triage carrier pilots after the change should be able to fly only one of the following:
A. FAX + triage + T2 capital remote armor repairer/shield boosters/cap transmitters*
B. carrier + squadron (all types)
*speculation since i think i read somewhere that there will be T2 capital guns.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2957
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Posted - 2016.02.07 09:06:50 -
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Or.... read the other thread on this same topic where a CCP dev has said 'wait for the dev blog coming soon' |
Prt Scr
569th Freelancers
163
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Posted - 2016.02.07 11:11:43 -
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As a maxd skilled triage carrier user , if i have to train new skills to use a force auxilary i just wont, i cant be arsed 
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